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Release of the Mueller report is imminent, AG Barr has in-hand, judiciary committees being briefed

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Its an investigation into members of their own government boosting Hillary. They are looking into ties between Clinton and the Ukrainian government.
Of course they are lol. Ukraine is owned by Russia now and has been for some time. Again, this just shows how much Russia dislikes Hillary. You should be questioning the fact that they never looked into oligarchs boosting Trump from their side.
 
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If they are owned by Russians then why are the putting sanctions on Russians?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rferl.org/amp/29832844.html
I should clarify: ideologically, and in most ways that matter, Ukraine is owned by Russia. Including that they believe in "an eye for an eye," so this investigation simply feels like a response to the US investigation into Trump. Which makes it seem even more like Trump is colluding with entities in/around Russia rofl.

For fuck's sake, you think Hillary Clinton would've gone to the lengths of recruiting the help of a foreign government, just to lose the election? Use your damn brain.
 

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@Costello So this is about Russia collusion. And here’s some evidence to show that Trump is not working for Russians.

They deployed troops to Russian Borders and put stiff financial sanctions on Russians.

He try’s to overthrow the Venezuelan government which is Russia doesn’t want.

He’s Putting Sanctions on the German-Russian pipeline which Russia doesn’t want.

He pulled out of the INF treaty which is a huge threat to Russia.
And when you watch videos of Putin talking about it he seems upset.

He bombed Syria twice which Russia doesn’t want. They warned the U.S. not to do it.

So this whole investigation is if Trump colluded with Russia and is a puppet of Putin right. So why is Trump continuously doing things against the wishes of Russia? Wasn’t the deal that I help you win election and you give me something back in return. So why is Trump doing things the opposite of what Putin wants. Evidence suggest the opposite of collusion.
 

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Oh, I thought you meant a US investigation. One that would actually matter. Ukraine opening an investigation into her kinda just proves the point that they don't like her.


You could say that about a lot of politically motivated "investigations."
 

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@Costello So this is about Russia collusion. And here’s some evidence to show that Trump is not working for Russians.

They deployed troops to Russian Borders and put stiff financial sanctions on Russians.

He try’s to overthrow the Venezuelan government which is Russia doesn’t want.

He’s Putting Sanctions on the German-Russian pipeline which Russia doesn’t want.

He pulled out of the INF treaty which is a huge threat to Russia.
And when you watch videos of Putin talking about it he seems upset.

He bombed Syria twice which Russia doesn’t want. They warned the U.S. not to do it.

So this whole investigation is if Trump colluded with Russia and is a puppet of Putin right. So why is Trump continuously doing things against the wishes of Russia? Wasn’t the deal that I help you win election and you give me something back in return. So why is Trump doing things the opposite of what Putin wants. Evidence suggest the opposite of collusion.
The ignoring these very important facts is a known symptom of TDS.
 
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It's amazing that some people want our president to be a Russian agent so badly that they won't accept the evidence that he is not. They should be happy, but happiness would require them to admit that they were on a wild goose chase the whole time.
 

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The ignoring these very important facts is a known symptom of TDS.
The first article I linked says U.S. troops deployed in Eastern Europe as check on Russian aggression. And it mentions how Putin retaliated. The date of the article is 2017, lieterally the first year Trump became president. Right away he started putting sanctions on Russians the first year. So much for being an agent of Putin.
 

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It's amazing that some people want our president to be a Russian agent so badly that they won't accept the evidence that he is not. They should be happy, but happiness would require them to admit that they were on a wild goose chase the whole time.
The first article I linked says U.S. troops deployed in Eastern Europe as check on Russian aggression. And it mentions how Putin retaliated. The date of the article is 2017, lieterally the first year Trump became president. Right away he started putting sanctions on Russians the first year. So much for being an agent of Putin.
I know, right, and anyone still claiming that Trump colluded with Russia to win the 2016 election are fucking idiots
 
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You could say that about a lot of politically motivated "investigations."
Absolutely, but the Mueller investigation was not politically motivated. It was created by a worried Republican deputy AG after Trump fired the head of the FBI and then brought Russians into the oval office to gloat that the "pressure is off."
 
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Hillary Clinton deleted 33,000 emails, wiped servers clean, she told her aids to break blackberries with a hammer to destroy evidence. The Dossier was purchased by Clinton and it’s in the a dossier itself that it was purchased by her, but written in a very criptic way.

This whole investigation was corruption from Hillary from the beginning.

Trump-Russia inquiry: President 'did not conspire with Russia'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47688187
The Russia Narrative is dead.

Findings do not exonerate Trump. They might have something else other the Russia Collusion but we’ll see.
 
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Finding do not exonerate Trump. The Russia Naraative is dead.
You know what "the findings don't exonerate" Trump means, right? It means that this report has not cleared him of all criminal suspicion, and another investigation could potentially go on to use the Mueller report's evidence for prosecutorial purposes.
 

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You know what "the findings don't exonerate" Trump means, right? It means that this report has not cleared him of all criminal suspicion, and another investigation could potentially go on to use the Mueller report's evidence for prosecutorial purposes.
The Muller Report says the Russia narrative is dead. It’s done.

Just let his conspiracy theory die already. They just don’t want to let this narrative die. It’s going to be a never ending investigation because they don’t want to let it go.
 
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This was mostly what I expected would happen.

When it comes to high profile politicians like Trump, the ability to establish motive beyond a reasonable doubt in these kinds of obstruction of justice cases is pretty important. In other words, even if it looks like Trump obstructed justice (in my opinion, it does), one has to demonstrate that those actions were because of a direct attempt by Trump to obstruct justice. It's very similar to the Bob McDonnell corruption case and why his conviction was overturned by the Supreme Court. In a nutshell, Bob McDonnell was apparently engaged in what looked like a quid pro quo situation while in office, but motive couldn't be established. Reading about that case might make the topic of Trump's possible obstruction of justice make more sense.

Everyone should understand that this doesn't exonerate Trump when it comes to obstruction of justice. The outline of the report admits it's a gray area for the reasons I explained above, and there might be evidence to support an obstruction of justice argument. However, since they can't prove an obstruction of justice motive, Barr isn't going to indict Trump. The report doesn't make a judgement one way or the other.

With regard to Russia collusion, it was unlikely they were going to be able to demonstrate it, regardless of whether or not it happened. The report also reiterated that Russia did indeed meddle with the election; they just can't prove they worked with Trump's campaign when doing so.

With regard to Trump's many other scandals, this report doesn't address them.
 
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The Muller Report says the Russia narrative is dead. It’s done.

Just let his conspiracy theory die already. They just don’t want to let this narrative die. It’s going to be a never ending investigation because they don’t want to let it go.
They cannot. The only path forward is maximum conviction after the delusion stage has set in deep. If they backpedal it'll be a big wake up call on being a hivemind of idiots. This is never going to end, as you can see, you already see talk of the next round. It's like a flat earther needing one more test after test #739 has failed. Some political issues, when it comes to brainwashed cultists, you can just do nothing about. See climate change for the opposite side. Both are alex jones levels of conspiraces taken to their own extreme end and no dialogue works.
You can only probably start with a press that isn't made up of activists wearing their activist bias like a badge of honor, hiring professionals instead. That'll be a start. The US has a big problem with that currently.
 

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The Muller Report says the Russia narrative is dead. It’s done.

Just let his conspiracy theory die already. They just don’t want to let this narrative die. It’s going to be a never ending investigation because they don’t want to let it go.


Well, they wanted to keep it hot until the end of the election next year, anyway.
 

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