New Zealand bans military-style semi-automatic weapons and assault rifles

WiiUBricker · Mar 21, 2019

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has announced a ban on military style, semi-automatic (MSSA) guns and assault rifles in the wake of the Christchurch mosque shootings.

All semi-automatic weapons used during the terrorist attack on Friday will be banned, she said.

Related parts used to convert the guns into MSSAs would also be banned, along with all high-capacity magazines.

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This is how it’s done, america.

Clydefrosch · Mar 21, 2019

Note how people still are free and government isn't enslaving anyone.

The Catboy · Mar 21, 2019

They went right past the “Thoughts and prayers” and “But it too soon” bullshit and went straight to solving the problem.

Joe88 · Mar 21, 2019

The Real Jdbye · Mar 21, 2019

Why were they legal in the first place? I don't think any normal person needs a weapon like that. You don't need that to defend yourself, you can defend yourself just as well with a simple pistol. Larger, more destructive firearms should be reserved for war time, and for law enforcement in extreme situations.

Xzi · Mar 21, 2019

The Real Jdbye said:
Why were they legal in the first place? I don't think any normal person needs a weapon like that. You don't need that to defend yourself, you can defend yourself just as well with a simple pistol. Larger, more destructive firearms should be reserved for war time, and for law enforcement in extreme situations.

You've got plenty of people that will argue semi-auto rifles are a necessity for hunting, but any decent hunter can manage just fine with a bolt-action. And a real man uses bows/knives. Far more silent and efficient in terms of ammo costs.

Not that I've ever been a hunter, mind you, but I have had friends who hunt and I do enjoy target archery.

The Real Jdbye · Mar 21, 2019

Xzi said:
You've got plenty of people that will argue semi-auto rifles are a necessity for hunting, but any decent hunter can manage just fine with a bolt-action. And a real man uses bows/knives. Far more silent and efficient in terms of ammo costs.

Not that I've ever been a hunter, mind you, but I have had friends who hunt and I do enjoy target archery.

For hunters it makes some sense. I don't know exactly how difficult it is to get a gun down there but it shouldn't be easy to get bigger guns like that. It should come with an extensive background check, and also mandatory instructions on how to store it safely (out of the reach of anyone who shouldn't have access to it), as long as they do that to every hunter that wants one, I guess it's okay.

Xzi · Mar 21, 2019

The Real Jdbye said:
For hunters it makes some sense. I don't know exactly how difficult it is to get a gun down there but it shouldn't be easy to get bigger guns like that. It should come with an extensive background check, and also mandatory instructions on how to store it safely (out of the reach of anyone who shouldn't have access to it), as long as they do that to every hunter that wants one, I guess it's okay.

All very reasonable proposals, which is why I can't help but think they should've been instituted years, if not decades ago. Even a number of Republicans are for common-sense reforms like mandatory background checks on all weapons sales including gun shows. The only thing that's been holding the US back from making those much-needed reforms are massive lobbying groups like the NRA. Now headed by Oliver North of Iran-Contra infamy. The organization is also entangled in a Russian money funneling scandal which occurred during the 2016 election cycle. So essentially foreign countries are deciding our gun policy for us at this point, in order to keep us divided.

DBlaze · Mar 21, 2019

Lilith Valentine said:
They went right past the “Thoughts and prayers” and “But it too soon” bullshit and went straight to solving the problem.

Yes, blocking access to websites that may or may not have any sort of video of the shooting is "solving" the problem.
The gun thing is good, the rest not so much

As horrible as it is to say it, it has to be said: they are abusing the situation to push agendas.

SG854 · Mar 21, 2019

Clydefrosch said:
Note how people still are free and government isn't enslaving anyone.

A little too soon to be judging that don’t you think.

If you pay attention to the news they are freaking out and already pushing for authoritarianism. Even blocking access to websites and limiting access to information. And arresting people for posting the shooting video.

WiiUBricker · Mar 21, 2019

The Real Jdbye said:
You don't need that to defend yourself, you can defend yourself just as well with a simple pistol.

Or not? Not sure if pistoles fall in the category of guns/firearms but obtaining a gun for self defense was always illegal in New Zealand.

Quote from a reddit comment:

So to get your license you need to

* Be 16 or older;
* Be interviewed by a police officer
* Attend a safety lecture given by a trainer
* Pass a written test based on the material in the Arms Code
* Have secure storage for firearms at home (a gun rack, safe, strongroom ect.) this is checked by a cop
* Provide two referees, one a relative and one not, to vouch for the applicant, who will be interviewed by a police officer.
(it also costs like 120 bucks)

There's a series of criteria that police officers are looking for, if you meet any of these they might block you getting a license.

* has been the subject of a protection order;
* has shown no regard for the Arms Act or Arms Regulations;
* has been involved in substance abuse;
* has committed any serious offence, or any crimes involving violence or drugs;
* has committed a series of minor offences (or a serious offence) against the Arms Act;
* has been affiliated with a gang involved in violence;
* has been involved in acts or threats of matrimonial violence;
* has exhibited signs of mental ill health;
* has attempted to commit suicide or other self injurious behaviour
* is attempting to get a firearm for self protection or self defence

As far as I've seen this isn't changing

Clydefrosch · Mar 21, 2019

SG854 said:
A little too soon to be judging that don’t you think.

If you pay attention to the news they are freaking out and already pushing for authoritarianism. Even blocking access to websites and limiting access to information. And arresting people for posting the shooting video.

As they damn well should. Because you know they're not blocking legitimate websites, they're blocking shitholes that have delivered the western world a constant stream of nazi trolls and whiners that keep on fantasizing about how they'd one day just rape and kill a bunch of women to 'show them'.
Same with the shooter video. There really is no place for that piece of white nationalism propaganda anywhere. All it serves is to shock people, intimidate people like the victims, or empower people like the shooter. It rightfully falls under all the rules that forbid sharing/owning of such material in many countries.

We can all argue about the level of punishment, but not about wether or not what they did is punishable.

Kioku · Mar 21, 2019

Clydefrosch said:
As they damn well should. Because you know they're not blocking legitimate websites, they're blocking shitholes that have delivered the western world a constant stream of nazi trolls and whiners that keep on fantasizing about how they'd one day just rape and kill a bunch of women to 'show them'.
Same with the shooter video. There really is no place for that piece of white nationalism propaganda anywhere. All it serves is to shock people, intimidate people like the victims, or empower people like the shooter. It rightfully falls under all the rules that forbid sharing/owning of such material in many countries.

We can all argue about the level of punishment, but not about wether or not what they did is punishable.

"Censorship is okay as long as it doesn't go against my agenda." That's all I got out of that... Anyway, I'm all for the banning of military style weapons. I just don't agree that will solve all of our problems like some of you here. People are stabbed, and killed via other means every day. It may lessen the problem, to an extent.

SG854 · Mar 21, 2019

Clydefrosch said:
As they damn well should. Because you know they're not blocking legitimate websites, they're blocking shitholes that have delivered the western world a constant stream of nazi trolls and whiners that keep on fantasizing about how they'd one day just rape and kill a bunch of women to 'show them'.
Same with the shooter video. There really is no place for that piece of white nationalism propaganda anywhere. All it serves is to shock people, intimidate people like the victims, or empower people like the shooter. It rightfully falls under all the rules that forbid sharing/owning of such material in many countries.

We can all argue about the level of punishment, but not about wether or not what they did is punishable.

People have a right to see the video and learn from it. People have a right to gather and form any groups they want. You block people and it will only further push them to white nationalism because they’ll have no where else to go but kkk rallies the only place that’ll accept them.

You have no idea how the U.S. constitution and 1st amendment is coveted around the world.

There is a big problem having government dictate what you can and can’t read, you can ask Iran about that. Freeeom of Press and information is important, its why Sweden even became a wealthy country when they were blocking the press, information got out about certain economic ideals and it helped them become wealthy.

The problem is everything is considered alt right, and will be subjected to be blocked. PewDiePie is consider alt right, which is ridiculous if you know anything about PewDiePie, he’s just a guy that makes jokes and memes, his channel is hardly political at all. 1,000 dollar UBI Democrat Andrew Yang is considere alt right. Kind of socialist left wing Joe Rogan is considered alt right. People that say that the male female wage gap is a myth is alt right. People that say that gender is not a social construct including the majority of sex researchers are alt right. Should they be blocked?

You can’t let these crazy people dictate what you can or can’t read because the power will be abused.

CallmeBerto · Mar 21, 2019

I'm sure all the criminals are turning in their weapons as well, wait

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I swear the amount of people who would give up their rights to bear arms for the illusion of safety is sickening.

x65943 · Mar 21, 2019

We are at a point in history where the state has all of the power

They can tap our phones, monitor our every location, possess sophisticated weaponry

The people have no recourse

That's great if you trust the government to respect your rights - however too many times in human history governments have turned on their own people

The number of people who die due to assault weapon crimes is very low overall - sure it makes headlines, but it's comparatively small

By giving up military grade weapons you are essentially making it impossible for the populace to effectively stage a revolution - a revolution which would already be quite difficult considering the state has every advantage (air support including drones, tanks, fully automatic weapons etc)

spinal_cord · Mar 21, 2019

Coming from a country where we are not so in love with guns, I fail to see the issues that many Americans raise about tightening their gun laws.

The old "we'd be over-run with criminal gun-toting gangs" doesn't hold up simply because the police would do their jobs and arrest anyone who has an illegal weapon. Unless that is, you think owning an illegal weapon would not be an arrestable offence?

x65943 · Mar 21, 2019

spinal_cord said:
Coming from a country where we are not so in love with guns, I fail to see the issues that many Americans raise about tightening their gun laws.

The old "we'd be over-run with criminal gun-toting gangs" doesn't hold up simply because the police would do their jobs and arrest anyone who has an illegal weapon. Unless that is, you think owning an illegal weapon would not be an arrestable offence?

It's not about the criminals, it's about having recourse to the government itself

Time and time again we have seen governments take action against their own people

Holocaust, Japanese internment in the US, Uyghur internment in China etc

Revolutions seldom work without guns

DBlaze · Mar 21, 2019

x65943 said:
It's not about the criminals, it's about having recourse to the government itself

Time and time again we have seen governments take action against their own people

Holocaust, Japanese internment in the US, Uyghur internment in China etc

Revolutions seldom work without guns

So what's stopping the trump bashers to take up their guns and overthrow office?

Hanafuda · Mar 21, 2019

The Real Jdbye said:
Why were they legal in the first place? I don't think any normal person needs a weapon like that. You don't need that to defend yourself, you can defend yourself just as well with a simple pistol. Larger, more destructive firearms should be reserved for war time, and for law enforcement in extreme situations.

Absolutely not true. Handguns are much less effective at stopping a human threat, and much more difficult to shoot accurately. There's no comparison.

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