SX OS 2.6 Beta released: full support for Nintendo Switch firmware 7.x

thaikhoa · Mar 18, 2019

HtheB said:
What are you talking about?... Do you even know what and how EmuNAND works?

Has GBATemp really fell into to this level....?

You don't see my point. Atmosphere supporters denied the benefits of having those features because they aren't on priority list of dev.

Lacius · Mar 18, 2019

HtheB said:
What are you talking about?... Do you even know what and how EmuNAND works?

Has GBATemp really fell into to this level....?

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Another user who just misses the point of my post and just tries to change the subject (:

But, like, why would the Atmosphere developers want to hand TX or anybody else the ability to remove the Atmosphere credit? If the roles were reversed, you can bet TX wouldn't have even allowed Sept to be used by anybody else, lot alone remove the splash screen, and you'd be blindly defending them.

HtheB · Mar 18, 2019

thaikhoa said:
You don't see my point. Atmosphere supporters denied the benefits of having those features because they aren't on priority list of dev.

In the meantime, SX OS users can enjoy their online playing with their OFW's with their official cartridges and keep their OFW clean.

thaikhoa · Mar 18, 2019

HtheB said:
In the meantime, SX OS users can enjoy their online playing with their OFW's with their official cartridges and keep their OFW clean.

Right, but Atmosphere supporters don't care about that. They said restore clean nand backup is safer, NSP is god but they also said its bad on the first place when something announced the layeredfs devmenu.

DayVeeBoi · Mar 18, 2019

blahblah said:
'A lot of our development resources have been dedicated to glitching the existing hardware again and again and again, trying to get the Switch to leak out the tsec root key. The rest has been spent on DRM.'

Maybe they were waiting for their ChipWhisperer to come in the mail...?

HtheB · Mar 18, 2019

Lacius said:
But, like, why would the Atmosphere developers want to hand TX or anybody else the ability to remove the Atmosphere credit? If the roles were reversed, you can bet TX wouldn't have even allowed Sept to be used by anybody else, lot alone remove the splash screen, and you'd be blindly defending them.

Again, as my other post stated: if Atmosphere was superior, they wouldn't care. It seems that they see SX OS as a true competitor.

Competition is good. But adding something like a DRM to Atmosphere, is just the same as what TX is doing with their CFW.

ZachyCatGames · Mar 18, 2019

thaikhoa said:
They said restore clean nand backup is safer, NSP is god but they also said its bad on the first place when something announced the layeredfs devmenu.

pfft, I just play online with atmosphere, it's been working fine for almost a year now

I always have and always will hate """"""""""installable"""""""""" NSPs

8BitWonder · Mar 18, 2019

HtheB said:
Again, as my other post stated: if Atmosphere was superior, they wouldn't care. It seems that they see SX OS as a true competitor.

Competition is good. But adding something like a DRM to Atmosphere, is just the same as what TX is doing with their CFW.

I don't think I've ever seen someone claim a 3 second image as DRM before.

Do you view cracktros as DRM too?

Lacius · Mar 18, 2019

HtheB said:
Again, as my other post stated: if Atmosphere was superior, they wouldn't care. It seems that they see SX OS as a true competitor.

Competition is good. But adding something like a DRM to Atmosphere, is just the same as what TX is doing with their CFW.

They didn't add DRM. They made it as open source as possible while keeping the TSEC keys private, which are arguably illegal to share. Adding an Atmosphere credit wasn't anti-TX.

It should also be noted that, with regard to timely 7.0.x support, Atmosphere is superior.

HtheB · Mar 18, 2019

8BitWonder said:
I don't think I've ever seen someone claim a 3 second image as DRM before.

Sept needs to be decrypted to be edited.
Also for you, read better what I wrote:
I said like a DRM.

ZachyCatGames · Mar 18, 2019

HtheB said:
Sept needs to be decrypted to be edited.
Also for you, read better what I wrote:
I said like a DRM.

It being encrypted and signed was so that the tsec would see it as valid...

DayVeeBoi · Mar 18, 2019

HtheB said:
Again, as my other post stated: if Atmosphere was superior, they wouldn't care. It seems that they see SX OS as a true competitor.

Competition is good. But adding something like a DRM to Atmosphere, is just the same as what TX is doing with their CFW.

Lacius said:
They didn't add DRM. They made it as open source as possible while keeping the TSEC keys private, which are arguably illegal to share. Adding an Atmosphere credit wasn't anti-TX.

It should also be noted that, with regard to timely 7.0.x support, Atmosphere is superior.

How it is supposed to work is everyone is contributing to make it better and share the work, but how its actually working is a group of people are putting tons of work into the framework and all the hard stuff and then a few people are taking that work that everyone else is doing but adding small features and never having to expend any time or effort maintaining the code base.

It has a chilling effect so other people don't want to open source their code, and then because it's only them working on it, we suffer due to slower updates and limited developers putting hours into it. It stifles innovation in a scene built on free software and hobbyists. The only way this works well is with the trust in tact.

So no matter how good the open source code is TX are just going to take that work and add a small amount more. If someone made the greatest open source swiss-army knife of Switch software tomorrow, they would just take that and add their new small features to it, and then the scene would have to do the work of adding that feature and maintaining the code base it is built on, for them to steal the new code tomorrow and do the same thing again.

In this environment, it doesn't make sense for them to try to compete on a feature by feature basis.

(for clarity, I actually copied and pasted this from an earlier discussion, so forgive me if it is a bit out of context).

xiaNaix · Mar 18, 2019

SX OS basically does the same thing except they just go ahead and use the key instead of having to do a workaround. Hence all the drama.

Lacius · Mar 18, 2019

HtheB said:
Sept needs to be decrypted to be edited.
Also for you, read better what I wrote:
I said like a DRM.

It's not DRM in any way. It's a logo with a well earned credit on it. You're basically asking for the Atmosphere team to please please please remove their own credit from their work so a for profit company can use their work as their own and contribute to the ignorance of their customers that their business model relies on. It's ridiculous. And, as has been pointed out to you, it's as open source as can be without leaking keys. A logo is nothing like DRM. I'd be more indignant about TX wanting to steal work without giving credit

dsrules · Mar 18, 2019

2.6.1 is up, fixed usb loading

sj33 · Mar 18, 2019

Well yeah, because bundling the key is illegal. End users might not care about that, but it’s good coding practice to avoid that.

Also, if you guys really did glitch sept to get the key then let’s hope Nintendo don’t change the key tomorrow.

xiaNaix · Mar 18, 2019

sj33 said:
Well yeah, because bundling the key is illegal. End users might not care about that, but it’s good coding practice to avoid that.

Also, if you guys really did glitch sept to get the key then let’s hope Nintendo don’t change the key tomorrow.

TX is prepared for that eventuality.

8BitWonder · Mar 18, 2019

HtheB said:
Sept needs to be decrypted to be edited.

No, it doesn't.
For you: https://github.com/Atmosphere-NX/Atmosphere/tree/master/sept

ZachyCatGames · Mar 18, 2019

xiaNaix said:
TX is prepared for that eventuality.

I somehow don't believe that

xiaNaix · Mar 18, 2019

ZachyCatGames said:
I somehow don't believe that

24 hours ago no one believed they would be able to update SX OS for 7.x without a splash screen if at all.

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