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Should People Who Immigrate to a New Country, Learn Its Language?

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Of course, yes! If they want to stay in that Country they have to learn not only the language but the whole culture, respecting it, and, day by day, acquire it as their
Can't say I agree with that.

One need not adopt a culture, just live within its/understand its values. If your culture is inherently capable of doing that then carry on, and if you can adapt yours or keep the elements that work and ditch the rest that are mutually incompatible (or maybe make the case if you think they are superior and have the host adopt those) then go that way.

For instance if a German guy came to the UK then https://www.thoughtco.com/german-holidays-and-celebrations-4072766
Basically none of those are done here, or what handful have rough equivalents are done in rather different ways, but they would be perfectly OK to do such things. Similarly while the UK has some national holidays nobody is compelled to do anything either there really. If said German wanted to continue to eat German foods then they could, might get a tad expensive (give or take those weeks Lidl is doing the German thing), despite general cooking philosophies and base ingredients/proportions being rather different (gets a bit more tricky if a UK peep goes to German as food smells are a different beast there but that is a different matter). Make something decent and people will give it a go (I do love me some stollen), or if you prefer see the UK's adoption of curry, Caribbean foods, Chinese foods, Turkish food...

This I'm a bit more hesitant about. In principle it's sort of a basic idea that you have to communicate to even pass a test, but at least in the US I don't think it wise to long-term demand one language as the language of the country. I say this mostly because one of the greatest weaknesses in the US is precisely its mono-language. Instead of taking advantage of the fact that so many cultures came with so many languages, we strived very hard to basically remove all but English. Those that learn multiple languages at a young age pick up more languages much easier. That is the basis of good flexibility in the global economy.
The US' official language concept, or indeed comparative lack thereof compared to a lot of other places, is an interesting one.

Similarly I would make the distinction between citizen test and legal permanent resident.

As some kind of workaround for a shoddy language education, possibly also some geography (where I am in the UK, and no small part of the rest, it is probably cheaper and easier to get to France or the Netherlands than it is to get to Scotland or Wales, so people do and that means you do well to know more).
 

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To me, the idea of a permanent resident that's not a citizen doesn't really make sense. :/
I can see the need for a delineation.

By all means allow people in to live, work, start a business and whatever else if they jump through the relevant hoops, however maybe keep voting and certain high level elected office and law enforcement for those that do go the whole way and become citizens. What roles those might be, what services might be harder to access, what hoops might need to be jumped through, what pathways you provide (at times I have seen money allow it by virtue of putting a bond of millions in, ostensibly to build some bridge, for X number of years) and more, what you consider dual (or more) nationality as for various purposes, whether you deny further roles to those not born a citizen (or possibly a generation after that) tending to be where the discussion lies.
 

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Absolutely. The reality is you will have a hard time getting a job if you don't learn the country's language. I would even go as far as considering it an insult if you don't try! Why? Because it shows that you don't even bother to integrate and have no respect for their culture.
 
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Hmm...I'll go with "yes", but I have a few caveats.

First of all...my personal situation. I'm going to move to another province in a month. While it's still Dutch-speaking, I'm going to actively try to adapt my speech a bit to fit with the local accent (Limburgs). Not that much, probably, but I'm fairly sure that daily exposure to it will be more of a motivation to learn it. After all: we have friends there. My girlfriend has family there (that I already know, of course). I'll be doing karate there. Spend time in shops, libraries, local pubs and restaurants, and so on. Expecting that everyone understands my dialect (or more arrogantly put: that everyone will love it) isn't showing my goodwill at all.

It would be the same if I emigrated to another country. If I'll be daily exposed to the foreign language, it's all the motivation I need to learn it. And then the accent, once the former goes well.


But here's the problem: mass migration is a different thing than individual migration. If you bring your family, you obviously speak your original language at home. If you live in a neighborhood where everyone speaks your language, the incentive to learn the country's language lessens even more. Because make no mistake: learning a language is HARD. So I understand that if the motivation to do it every day isn't there, it goes rather slow.

And...of course it's my left-wing oriented nature, but really: some people don't make fair assumptions. If someone had to migrate because his house and family was bombed, then that is a very different situation than someone pursuiting other goals in life. These immigrants often don't want to be in the country to begin with so they don't learn (after all: why should you start learning language X if there's a good change you'll be in a country with language Y in a couple weeks?), and they often have other things on their minds rather than settling in.



Oh, and of course there's Belgium. Belgium has always been a country where people speak many languages...and this is, ironically enough, in our DISADVANTAGE. When we see someone struggle with Dutch, our natural instinct is to switch to French or English. There's a rather strange incentive (especially in Brussels) where Dutch is fading away because the French population doesn't bother learning (which isn't entirely their fault).
 
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I've always taken that as granted, not because of cultural reasons but due to practical ones.
It's completely understandable if you visit a foreign country either as a tourist or for any other temporary reasons and you don't speak their language but I can't imagine how hard it would be to live in one without doing so.
 

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