Hacking Discussion TSEC is broken

Deleted User · Mar 3, 2019

bodefuceta said:
I hope SX gets stuck in 6.2 forever.

Any idea what else she's holding on the fw 6.2.0? Since the FW decryption keys for 7.0.x are not public and the vuln doesn't work in SMMU, TX would have to find a way to get the keys itself. This could take a long time.
I've also heard that sept is not so easy to fork

DPyro · Mar 3, 2019

Dungeonseeker said:
Absolutely nothing for a long ass time yet.

Someone else could find the same exploit and decide to release.

aos10 · Mar 3, 2019

RyuSeisuke1992 said:
Any idea what else she's holding on the fw 6.2.0? Since the FW decryption keys for 7.0.x are not public and the vuln doesn't work in SMMU, TX would have to find a way to get the keys itself. This could take a long time.
I've also heard that sept is not so easy to fork

Because atmosphere team made something with it, if TX tried to copy it, the atmosphere logo will appear when launching sxos, and it will looks weird for them, i think that's the reason.

Lacius · Mar 3, 2019

RyuSeisuke1992 said:
Any idea what else she's holding on the fw 6.2.0? Since the FW decryption keys for 7.0.x are not public and the vuln doesn't work in SMMU, TX would have to find a way to get the keys itself. This could take a long time.
I've also heard that sept is not so easy to fork

aos10 said:
Because atmosphere team made something with it, if TX tried to copy it, the atmosphere logo will appear when launching sxos, and it will looks weird for them, i think that's the reason.

The only public way to boot CFW on 7.0.x is with sept. While sept is open source, it won't work unless it's encrypted with private TSEC keys so that TSEC can decrypt sept itself. TX has two choices:

Somehow find a way to get the TSEC keys themselves, which might take a long time (if ever), since all methods of doing so are private.
Use the version of sept that has already been encrypted and released, which includes the Atmosphere logo.

_hexkyz_ · Mar 3, 2019

Phenj said:
What does this mean for us?

It means that CFW will be assured via Atmosphere's Sept payload regardless of any new updates to the TSEC payload.

Picalo · Mar 4, 2019

Is it safe to say that even the patch console now have a chance (if released)?

Snomannen_kalle · Mar 4, 2019

The TSEC is in the patched units too, so this applies to the patched units as well. However, you still need a way to enter RCM so you can push a payload -- a way to do this exist, but it is not accessible to the public yet

8BitWonder · Mar 4, 2019

Snomannen_kalle said:
The TSEC is in the patched units too, so this applies to the patched units as well. However, you still need a way to enter RCM so you can push a payload -- a way to do this exist, but it is not accessible to the public yet

You can enter RCM on ipatched units the same as you would on unpatched units.
The problem is that current payloads can't be pushed unless another exploit similar to fusee-gelee is found.

Snomannen_kalle · Mar 4, 2019

8BitWonder said:
You can enter RCM on ipatched units the same as you would on unpatched units.
The problem is that current payloads can't be pushed unless another exploit similar to fusee-gelee is found.

You are right, my bad!

ZachyCatGames · Mar 4, 2019

V-Temp said:
and never released aside from Sept obfuscated delivery

Sept doesn't and never will use any exploits

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8BitWonder said:
The problem is that current payloads can't be pushed unless another exploit similar to fusee-gelee is found.

Or you somehow get a signed payload

DPyro said:
Someone else could find the same exploit and decide to release.

That would be terrible for the scene

smf · Mar 4, 2019

Lacius said:
The only public way to boot CFW on 7.0.x is with sept. While sept is open source, it won't work unless it's encrypted with private TSEC keys so that TSEC can decrypt sept itself. TX has two choices:

Somehow find a way to get the TSEC keys themselves, which might take a long time (if ever), since all methods of doing so are private.

Use the version of sept that has already been encrypted and released, which includes the Atmosphere logo.

If Nintendo ever take action against TX then it will be interesting if they include SciresM, due to TX using atmosphere & fusee gelee code for exploiting. Like f0f got taken to court when they released the keys for the ps3, even though they didn't do anything piracy related with it.

ZachyCatGames · Mar 4, 2019

smf said:
If Nintendo ever take action against TX then it will be interesting if they include SciresM, due to TX using atmosphere & fusee gelee code for exploiting.

No... that would make no sense

But then again this is Nintendo, so I suppose anything's possible...

Lacius · Mar 5, 2019

smf said:
If Nintendo ever take action against TX then it will be interesting if they include SciresM, due to TX using atmosphere & fusee gelee code for exploiting. Like f0f got taken to court when they released the keys for the ps3, even though they didn't do anything piracy related with it.

Those are different issues entirely.

V-Temp · Mar 5, 2019

smf said:
If Nintendo ever take action against TX then it will be interesting if they include SciresM, due to TX using atmosphere & fusee gelee code for exploiting. Like f0f got taken to court when they released the keys for the ps3, even though they didn't do anything piracy related with it.

lol

ZachyCatGames said:
Sept doesn't and never will use any exploits

Never said it did, its a delivery vehicle. I think you may have misinterpreted my meaning as "it is delivering an exploit" which it isn't. I simply meant that it is a method of obfuscating the need to ever release an exploit by using sept as delivery for all laymen usage.

Picalo · Mar 5, 2019

So I guess now it's just a waiting game to see
If the TSEC hack is implemented or released
Or kep from the public

Since it applies to more than the switch, what are the chances that Mike and his team would release something?

Is it a good time to buy a patch switch if I am unable to locate an unpatched switch ????

ZachyCatGames · Mar 5, 2019

Picalo said:
So I guess now it's just a waiting game to see
If the TSEC hack is implemented or released
Or kep from the public

Since it applies to more than the switch, what are the chances that Mike and his team would release something?

Is it a good time to buy a patch switch if I am unable to locate an unpatched switch ????

They won't release it, there's literally no reason for them to do so

Azmort · Mar 5, 2019

Just one word: Genius.

Lacius · Mar 5, 2019

Picalo said:
So I guess now it's just a waiting game to see
If the TSEC hack is implemented or released
Or kep from the public

Since it applies to more than the switch, what are the chances that Mike and his team would release something?

Is it a good time to buy a patch switch if I am unable to locate an unpatched switch ????

You do not want to buy a patched Switch. Buy an unpatched system. The fact that the TSEC is broken does nothing to help patched Switch systems in particular.

Treeko · Mar 5, 2019

They won't release this exploit voluntarily, and if Nintendo decides to use TSEC again in a new firmware update then they will be forced to use this new exploit aswell probably implement it in sept, pretty much unpatched switches are future proof now, Nintendo can no longer delay day 1 cracks for new firmware's anymore.

Which kinda makes me believe we'll be seeing some kind of AP implementation in games like the ds era sooner or later.

Picalo · Mar 5, 2019

How can I buy an unpatched switch without seen the serial number?

All my local stores have the patch #

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