Not Everything can be a F*cking Service!!!

LightyKD · Mar 3, 2019

So I ran into this article...

https://amp-businessinsider-com.cdn...errer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s

TLDR: Lyft wants to eliminate car ownership and turn transportation into a service.

This is bad, really bad. Sure we have games as a service and video as a service but those things haven't eliminated physical and digital ownership yet. Also, im pretty sure we have an army of hackers ready to backup and patch games if digital distribution services decide to get stupid on us.

That said, the necessities of life should not be a fucking service. It starts as, transportation as a service and then it creeps into housing as a service. At the same time "the people" are quickly being turned into corporate slaves under the guise of living in a "free society". If the same corporations you work for are offering you everything as a service and you own nothing, what do you become? Say it with me: you become a slave. You work for corporations and essentially get nothing in return because you own nothing.

Now, is that a life any of us want to live or hand to our children or the next generation? People seriously need to wake the fuck up and not just accept anything because "that's just the way of the world". That's just my two cents. Im sure this thread will spark some form of debate. I look forward to the replies.

SG854 · Mar 3, 2019

Self driving cars are going to make drivers license obsolete

dAVID_ · Mar 3, 2019

I mean yeah, having everything provided by the government could incentivize some sort of slavery (see China Social Rating System), however, buses are less polluting than individual cars.

SG854 · Mar 3, 2019

dAVID_ said:
I mean yeah, having everything provided by the government could incentivize some sort of slavery (see China Social Rating System), however, buses are less polluting than individual cars.

China social rating system is like an episode of Black Mirror

kernelPANIC · Mar 3, 2019

SG854 said:
Self driving cars are going to make drivers license obsolete

Pretty much this.
Sure, we might not witness it in our lifetimes, but when people realize that self-driving cars have a fraction of the accidents that we currently have and automation of the process/economies of scale make it more affordable, getting a car/taxi will be as easy as getting your cell phone (or equivalent communications device of the time) and ordering one from the ones roaming around in your area (you should be able to program trips into the future too).
Human driving will still exist, but i am sure it will be limited to specific racing tracks or something similar (and you will have to sign a waver similar to the ones you sign when you go sky-diving).

HamBone41801 · Mar 3, 2019

SG854 said:
China social rating system is like an episode of Black Mirror

i think the Orville or maybe dark matter had one of those episodes as well. always super stressful.

SG854 · Mar 3, 2019

kernelPANIC said:
Pretty much this.
Sure, we might not witness it in our lifetimes, but when people realize that self-driving cars have a fraction of the accidents that we currently have and automation of the process/economies of scale make it more affordable, getting a car/taxi will be as easy as getting your cell phone (or equivalent communications device of the time) and ordering one from the ones roaming around in your area (you should be able to program trips into the future too).
Human driving will still exist, but i am sure it will be limited to specific racing tracks or something similar (and you will have to sign a waver similar to the ones you sign when you go sky-diving).

People are going to push hard to make Drivers Livense illegal when they see car crash statistics. Then we’ll hear, “cars don’t kill people, people kill people” argument.

FAST6191 · Mar 3, 2019

Is transportation a necessity? I guess it might be in the US (I recently spent some time there, newish housing development in a pretty rich area in a rich state and to walk the shops was about 30 minutes hard walk for me (I walk fast and I am physically fit), parts of which were without pavement/sidewalks) but UK wise it is not unusual at all to meet people that don't own cars or motorbikes.

Similarly the economic model could make sense. If I am not paying tax, storing the thing, having 24/7 insurance, fuelling the thing, maintaining the thing, probably paying to park it for 8 hours a day if I do the whole work thing, and just need a vehicle for the odd job then that works. Get a big enough fleet and economies of scale really start to kick in. Essentially a more convenient take on public transport.

I am truly at a loss for why you find this so troubling.

"housing as a service"... is that not what renting/letting/hotels is? The rental/letting market I have some problems with but that is probably a different discussion than this.

As far as pseudo slaves. Nah. As long as you are not tied to the land/lord of the manor (think the serf/feudalism model) and can choose to up and leave at will then you are at best being hyperbolic.

SG854 · Mar 3, 2019

FAST6191 said:
Is transportation a necessity? I guess it might be in the US (I recently spent some time there, newish housing development in a pretty rich area in a rich state and to walk the shops was about 30 minutes hard walk for me (I walk fast and I am physically fit), parts of which were without pavement/sidewalks) but UK wise it is not unusual at all to meet people that don't own cars or motorbikes.

Similarly the economic model could make sense. If I am not paying tax, storing the thing, having 24/7 insurance, fuelling the thing, maintaining the thing, probably paying to park it for 8 hours a day if I do the whole work thing, and just need a vehicle for the odd job then that works. Get a big enough fleet and economies of scale really start to kick in. Essentially a more convenient take on public transport.

I am truly at a loss for why you find this so troubling.

"housing as a service"... is that not what renting/letting/hotels is? The rental/letting market I have some problems with but that is probably a different discussion than this.

As far as pseudo slaves. Nah. As long as you are not tied to the land/lord of the manor (think the serf/feudalism model) and can choose to up and leave at will then you are at best being hyperbolic.

The U.S. is a big country so you have to drive just to get anywhere. And the public transportion sucks, not as good as like Japan’s. It’s better to drive.

HamBone41801 · Mar 3, 2019

FAST6191 said:
Is transportation a necessity? I guess it might be in the US (I recently spent some time there, newish housing development in a pretty rich area in a rich state and to walk the shops was about 30 minutes hard walk for me (I walk fast and I am physically fit), parts of which were without pavement/sidewalks) but UK wise it is not unusual at all to meet people that don't own cars or motorbikes.

Similarly the economic model could make sense. If I am not paying tax, storing the thing, having 24/7 insurance, fuelling the thing, maintaining the thing, probably paying to park it for 8 hours a day if I do the whole work thing, and just need a vehicle for the odd job then that works. Get a big enough fleet and economies of scale really start to kick in. Essentially a more convenient take on public transport.

I am truly at a loss for why you find this so troubling.

"housing as a service"... is that not what renting/letting/hotels is? The rental/letting market I have some problems with but that is probably a different discussion than this.

As far as pseudo slaves. Nah. As long as you are not tied to the land/lord of the manor (think the serf/feudalism model) and can choose to up and leave at will then you are at best being hyperbolic.

well, your entire drive-able landmass is about the size of Texas (maybe slightly larger?)... I'd be willing to bet the small size of the UK is WHY so many people are able to exist without their own cars (everything is just naturally a bit more condensed). while it might work slightly better in richer areas, it would be devastating to america's poor.

PrettyFly · Mar 3, 2019

Self driving cars will suppress the cost of transport massively. Even for private hire cars utilisation is low.

Self driving cars will push 100% utilisation.

They can drive cost effectively too.

I'm guessing prices will drop to say 1/3 maybe lower.

FAST6191 · Mar 3, 2019

HamBone41801 said:
well, your entire drive-able landmass is about the size of Texas (maybe slightly larger?)... I'd be willing to bet the small size of the UK is WHY so many people are able to exist without their own cars (everything is just naturally a bit more condensed). while it might work slightly better in richer areas, it would be devastating to america's poor.

SG854 said:
The U.S. is a big country so you have to drive just to get anywhere. And the public transportion sucks, not as good as like Japan’s. It’s better to drive.

I don't know about that necessarily. City planning types have a lot to answer for there as far as not making things within walking distance.

Reasonable primer on such matters

Or if you prefer I went through https://www.touristmaker.com/blog/top-20-of-the-world-biggest-cities/
I have been to several of those that are not in the US, and failing that still massive cities in those countries and other countries in the developed world. Still can do well walking around. There is no technical reason something similar could not have happened in the US, indeed there was even more scope for it as most of the land was undeveloped and fairly suited for doing what you like on it. I don't know what you would have to do to correct the shit tier urban planning but to simply attribute it to the size risks oversimplifying.

bodefuceta · Mar 3, 2019

It's not like they'll ever make driving illegal.. right? Hopefully this makes drivers more predictable and the transit safer in general. I really dislike being anywhere in a car except in front of the steering, gives me terrible motion sickness. Thankfully the rest of my family is the opposite to this.

SG854 · Mar 3, 2019

FAST6191 said:
I don't know about that necessarily. City planning types have a lot to answer for there as far as not making things within walking distance.

Reasonable primer on such matters

Or if you prefer I went through https://www.touristmaker.com/blog/top-20-of-the-world-biggest-cities/
I have been to several of those that are not in the US, and failing that still massive cities in those countries and other countries in the developed world. Still can do well walking around. There is no technical reason something similar could not have happened in the US, indeed there was even more scope for it as most of the land was undeveloped and fairly suited for doing what you like on it. I don't know what you would have to do to correct the shit tier urban planning but to simply attribute it to the size risks oversimplifying.

Where I live, it’s somewhat densly packed. So in my area, I don’t have huge empty land mass. It’s house after house, store after store.

Your average poor American also has more housing space then your average European (not poor European, but all Europeans in general). So we are not as crowded as like Japan. It adds more space between us and stores. And Americans like their big open home space.

Tokyo is big, but it has a huge population and it feels crowded. There are people that don’t like the crowdedness.

CallmeBerto · Mar 3, 2019

"necessities of life should not be a fucking service"

Errr why? I mean if people will pay for it why not? I mean food is a necessity and people still pay someone to make it for them.

Subtle Demise · Mar 3, 2019

CallmeBerto said:
"necessities of life should not be a fucking service"

Errr why? I mean if people will pay for it why not? I mean food is a necessity and people still pay someone to make it for them.

Well, you do have the option of doing it yourself. You are also (mostly) free to raise your own animals and grow your own crops for food as well.

th3joker · Mar 3, 2019

in the future each family will be designated 1 robot that will be the "bread winner" and it up to the family to maintain and service the robot.

CallmeBerto · Mar 3, 2019

th3joker said:
in the future each family will be designated 1 robot that will be the "bread winner" and it up to the family to maintain and service the robot.

A benefit of robots is that they don't get paid lol

FAST6191 · Mar 3, 2019

SG854 said:
And Americans like their big open home space.

That might be changing. Heating a palatial mansion gets to be a rather expensive hobby so I am told there is a trend downwards among certain sectors.

th3joker said:
in the future each family will be designated 1 robot that will be the "bread winner" and it up to the family to maintain and service the robot.

I shall build a robot to service robots.

Lacius · Mar 3, 2019

LightyKD said:
So I ran into this article...

https://amp-businessinsider-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.businessinsider.com/carpocalypse-cars-automobile-sales-data-us-europe-2019-3?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1#referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s

TLDR: Lyft wants to eliminate car ownership and turn transportation into a service.

This is bad, really bad. Sure we have games as a service and video as a service but those things haven't eliminated physical and digital ownership yet. Also, im pretty sure we have an army of hackers ready to backup and patch games if digital distribution services decide to get stupid on us.

That said, the necessities of life should not be a fucking service. It starts as, transportation as a service and then it creeps into housing as a service. At the same time "the people" are quickly being turned into corporate slaves under the guise of living in a "free society". If the same corporations you work for are offering you everything as a service and you own nothing, what do you become? Say it with me: you become a slave. You work for corporations and essentially get nothing in return because you own nothing.

Now, is that a life any of us want to live or hand to our children or the next generation? People seriously need to wake the fuck up and not just accept anything because "that's just the way of the world". That's just my two cents. Im sure this thread will spark some form of debate. I look forward to the replies.

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