Thousands of migrant children are reporting they were sexually assaulted in U.S. custody

Fugelmir · Feb 28, 2019

Xzi said:
It's both. Slightly more than 150 cases of ICE officers sexually assaulting minors, the rest of the cases (out of 4,556 total) are minors sexually assaulting each other. The system is somewhat overwhelmed, but that's also by design in the way the Trump administration did a 180 on the family separation policy far too quickly. Out of all the cases where minors assaulted other minors, I'd have to assume ICE officers were still watching in at least half of those. If you think about it, it's exactly the type of job to attract active and passive pedophile behavior, you're put in a position of authority over children with no outside oversight whatsoever.

I don't trust your sources, this stuff happened under Obama and very little changed. If you really wanted to inspire or cause change, you wouldn't be here. Strap on a sandwich board and walk into busy intersections. Really live your beliefs and people might really start taking you seriously.

Xzi · Feb 28, 2019

Fugelmir said:
I don't trust your sources, this stuff happened under Obama and very little changed.

Dude. They literally had to build the detainment centers fresh after Trump introduced the new policy. Processing of illegals for deportation under Obama happened in groups of like twenty at time, not thousands. Do your sources also say 9/11 happened under Obama?

Fugelmir said:
If you really wanted to inspire or cause change, you wouldn't be here. Strap on a sandwich board and walk into busy intersections. Really live your beliefs and people might really start taking you seriously.

I do attend protests, though probably not as often as I should. Are we really going to pretend that the current administration cares about protests, though? I can't make a huge difference in issues like this as an individual, all I can do is trust that the gears of justice will grind through all the scum eventually.

erikas · Feb 28, 2019

regnad said:
Oh okay. So it’s just illegal on illegal crime then, so that’s alright. Nothing to see! Move along!

Pretty much, it happens in those countries at a massive rate anyway and there is no practical solution.

regnad · Feb 28, 2019

erikas said:
Pretty much, it happens in those countries at a massive rate anyway and there is no practical solution.

Taking children away from their legal guardians, from the people who would most want to protect them is an acceptable solution?

Teaching those people a lesson by subjecting their kids to a situation that would increase the likelihood that they will be sexually abused is an acceptable solution?

Then after subjecting them to this, making it difficult to ever reunite those thildren with their parents by shipping them off to god knows what US city without any way to track them is an acceptable solution?

You may say those people shouldn’t be here anyway, so fuck em. Fair enough, I suppose. But their children had no choice but to accompany their parents. They’re children. And they are the ones who bear the brunt of the suffering in order to teach this lesson.

That’s the core of my objection. These children were thrown into a bad situation, and the US government is making a calculated decision to increase these children’s suffering in order to punish their parents.

If you are so morally bankrupt as to not see the problem with that, well, I have nothing to say that will convince you.

erikas · Feb 28, 2019

regnad said:
Taking children away from their legal guardians, from the people who would most want to protect them is an acceptable solution?

Teaching those people a lesson by subjecting their kids to a situation that would increase the likelihood that they will be sexually abused is an acceptable solution?

Then after subjecting them to this, making it difficult to ever reunite those thildren with their parents by shipping them off to god knows what US city without any way to track them is an acceptable solution?

You may say those people shouldn’t be here anyway, so fuck em. Fair enough, I suppose. But their children had no choice but to accompany their parents. They’re children. And they are the ones who bear the brunt of the suffering in order to teach this lesson.

That’s the core of my objection. These children were thrown into a bad situation, and the US government is making a calculated decision to increase these children’s suffering in order to punish their parents.

If you are so morally bankrupt as to not see the problem with that, well, I have nothing to say that will convince you.

So you would put all the children with adults? That doesn't sound better to me at all. Also if you're worried about children being taken away from their guardians, you should campaign to abolish CPS first. Also these fucks hardly have their children's best interest in mind if they brought them to the wall to be used as meat shields. The fact that children were brought there in the first place is child abuse.

regnad · Feb 28, 2019

erikas said:
they brought them to the wall to be used as meat shields.

Nothing to add. Just want to leave that quote.

notimp · Feb 28, 2019

regnad said:
Nothing to add. Just want to leave that quote.

Now its education time again.

If you leave a country, even if you just seek a better financial future. What do you do with your children?

A. Bring them with you
B. Leave them with you grandparants to live the life you are fleeing from

Is meat shield something you've learned in civic MAGA classes on FOX again? The term is new to me..

You could have it one other way. Btw.

Only deal with a bunch of young males first (f.e. because you've increased the cost of "fleeing and entering your country", then they send the able men first). Thats of course much better, because now they integrate faster with your women...

American conservatives, I tell you...

They and their ideas.

Families = meatshields.

At least once you've separated the children from the women, right? Take away them shields first, they always say... Oh wait, nobody says that.

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Here is the deal of what happened, if you are not a moron, btw.

Your political fraction (the one you bought the hat for), separated mothers from their children, because they wanted to send a message. They made it very publicly because of that.

The message kind of was "stay away - we dont want you here -- we even take your children, care for them, but we'll send the mothers home. You will loose your child.".

Then the message went a little more south with "ok, by caring we actually meant get them raped systemically".

Now everyone in your fraction kind of feels bad, but doesnt want to show it. This was an unintended consequence.

Now they play "if they hadn't shown up with children in the first place" fantasy crafting games to combat their guilt. It doesnt work that way. Own up to this being your mess.

Kurt91 · Feb 28, 2019

notimp said:
Is meat shield something you've learned in civic MAGA classes on FOX again? The term is new to me..

Seriously, you're on a gaming site, and you've never heard of the term "Meat Shield"? Let's say you're playing a game with other players, or even AI-controlled teammates. You need to approach an area filled with enemy archers. You send in the guy with the most defense and HP to take the hits and physically block the arrows while you follow right behind. Your teammate is a meat shield. Literally a shield of living meat. It's a rather common term, really.

erikas · Feb 28, 2019

notimp said:
Now its education time again.

If you leave a country, even if you just seek a better financial future. What do you do with your children?

A. Bring them with you
B. Leave them with you grandparants to live the life you are fleeing from

Is meat shield something you've learned in civic MAGA classes on FOX again? The term is new to me..

You could have it one other way. Btw.

Only deal with a bunch of young males first (f.e. because you've increased the cost of "fleeing and entering your country", then they send the able men first). Thats of course much better, because now they integrate faster with your women...

American conservatives, I tell you... They and their ideas.
Families = meatshields.

At least once you've separated the children from the women, right? Take away them shields, they always say... Oh wait, nobody says that.

--------------------- MERGED ---------------------------

Here is the deal of what happened, if you are not a moron, btw.

Your political fraction (the one you bought the hat for), separated mothers from their children, because they wanted to send a message. They made it very publicly because of that.

The message kind of was "stay away - we dont want you here -- we even take your children, care for them, but we'll send the mothers home. You will loose your child.".

Then the message went a little more south with "ok, by caring we actually meant get them raped systemically".

Now everyone in your fraction kind of feels bad, but doesnt want to show it. This was an unintended consequence.

Now they play "if they hadn't shown up with children in the first place" fantasy crafting games to combat their guilt. It doesnt work that way. Own up to this being your mess.

The reason i called them meat shields isn't because they brought children with them, it's because they put children in the front.

notimp · Feb 28, 2019

Kurt91 said:
Seriously, you're on a gaming site, and you've never heard of the term "Meat Shield"? Let's say you're playing a game with other players, or even AI-controlled teammates. You need to approach an area filled with enemy archers. You send in the guy with the most defense and HP to take the hits and physically block the arrows while you follow right behind. Your teammate is a meat shield. Literally a shield of living meat. It's a rather common term, really.

So you use meat shield in gaming regularly to substitute the term child or children.

I'll tell that to my local TV station asap.

Make sure they clip some footage of gamers taking AI characters hostage to expose them to bullets instead of yourself. Which is what the term actually means. What you are describing is more the role of a tank, or tanking.

So children are now the new TANKS, when it comes to MAGA gamers? Ready to take whatever you throw at them? Seperate them from their parents, they'll only shrug. Trow them in rapecages - they will laugh at you? Boy - none of this makes any sense - does it?

Don't try to sidetrack from what you did here...

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On a sidenote, do you think that using the term "meatshield" for children is intentionally dehumanizing? Because I do.

You dont care for meatshields, do you? Soldiers are trained not to. And everyone knows, that america loves their military culture. Its basically at the heart of your society.

Lets talk about that. Lets talk about that some peoples only life career opportunities are opening up, if they sign away their labor to the military for 10 or 20 years. The good years. You know - where you can have adventures in Irak, or Afghanistan... I hear Venezuela is a hot candidate for the next cultural exchange this time of the year...

Getting out of neglect, because you tried to frame this in a military conflict context. With videogames.

MAGA.

notimp · Feb 28, 2019

From October 2014 to July 2018, the Office of Refugee Resettlement, a part of the Health and Human Services Department that cares for so-called unaccompanied minors, received a total of 4,556 allegations of sexual abuse or sexual harassment, 1,303 of which were referred to the Justice Department. Of those 1,303 cases deemed the most serious, 178 were accusations that adult staff members had sexually assaulted[...]

Thats 13.7 percent, not 3 percent.

To correct the values that are floating around in here.

[...]immigrant children, while the rest were allegations of minors assaulting other minors, the report said.

src is: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/27/us/immigrant-children-sexual-abuse.html

Kurt91 · Feb 28, 2019

notimp said:
So you use meat shield in gaming regularly to substitute the term child or children.

I'll tell that to my local TV station asap.

Make sure they clip some footage of gamers taking AI characters hostage to expose them to bullets instead of yourself. Which is what the term actually means. What you are describing is more the role of a tank, or tanking.

So children are now the new TANKS, when it comes to MAGA gamers? Ready to take whatever you throw at them? Seperate them from their parents, they'll only shrug. Trow them in rapecages - they will laugh at you? Boy - none of this makes any sense - does it?

Don't try to sidetrack from what you did here...

--------------------- MERGED ---------------------------

On a sidenote, do you think that using the term "meatshield" for children is intentionally dehumanizing? Because I do.

You dont care for meatshields, do you? Soldiers are trained not to. And everyone knows, that america loves their military culture. Its basically at the heart of your society.

Lets talk about that. Lets talk about that some peoples only life career opportunities are opening up, if they sign away their labor to the military for 10 or 20 years. The good years. You know - where you can have adventures in Irak, or Afghanistan... I hear Venezuela is a hot candidate for the next cultural exchange this time of the year...

Getting out of neglect, because you tried to frame this in a military conflict context. With videogames.

MAGA.

Wait, what did I do? I just tried to explain a term that you didn't know what it meant. I didn't say anything else. You do realize that I'm not erikas, right?

notimp · Feb 28, 2019

Sorry, I took it as an attack in concordance with trying to win the argument at hand.

FAST6191 · Feb 28, 2019

regnad said:
Taking children away from their legal guardians, from the people who would most want to protect them is an acceptable solution?

Teaching those people a lesson by subjecting their kids to a situation that would increase the likelihood that they will be sexually abused is an acceptable solution?

Then after subjecting them to this, making it difficult to ever reunite those thildren with their parents by shipping them off to god knows what US city without any way to track them is an acceptable solution?

You may say those people shouldn’t be here anyway, so fuck em. Fair enough, I suppose. But their children had no choice but to accompany their parents. They’re children. And they are the ones who bear the brunt of the suffering in order to teach this lesson.

That’s the core of my objection. These children were thrown into a bad situation, and the US government is making a calculated decision to increase these children’s suffering in order to punish their parents.

If you are so morally bankrupt as to not see the problem with that, well, I have nothing to say that will convince you.

If the parents could reasonably be convicted of a crime, one the children could not be reasonably object to as it were as thus not be convicted of themselves, then separation is likely as a result, just the same as if dear old dad decides to make a living with a firearm inside the country.
Similarly the argument has been made that people are using such avenues to traffic children (don't know numbers but it would seem like a fairly serious thing warranting serious measures).

Having the children act as a whipping boy for parents would be distasteful as all fuck if that is actually happening, and if abuses are happening on the scales mentioned in some of the numbers then that really needs to be sorted. I don't see how the concepts are inherently linked though, or even all that probable a result (give or take understaffing/overstuffing which is a separate thing).

Saiyan Lusitano · Mar 1, 2019

In the past four years, 4,556 children said they...

That's a pretty high number of accusations but there needs to be some form of evidence, whether it's video, audio, or etc. Trusting a person's word alone isn't enough to confirm it happened.

Xzi · Mar 1, 2019

Saiyan Lusitano said:
That's a pretty high number of accusations but there needs to be some form of evidence, whether it's video, audio, or etc. Trusting a person's word alone isn't enough to confirm it happened.

I'd bet that they don't have cameras in these facilities at all, and if they do, they're definitely not handing that footage over without a court order. As I've said, there's a big problem with putting people in a position of authority over children with no oversight, nobody watching the watchers.

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