Unofficial Android port shown running on a Nintendo Switch

pasc · Feb 24, 2019

I already saw the Switch as "just an android device" eitherhow..

Which is the reason why I don 't feel like shelling out the roalty for this one (as most games that are of interest for me are not on Ninty anymore...)

FAST6191 · Feb 24, 2019

Wonder where all the "why would you want to do that" crowd went.

Hielkenator2 · Feb 24, 2019

Shrike said:
RPGMaker MV Game Support !!!

(The real rpgmaker MV.. not the shitty console version coming out soon)

That has been out for a while now...and yup, better stay on PC or Mac for that one...

THYPLEX · Feb 24, 2019

SWITCH INCEPTION

altorn said:
get MonoNX running in there so we have a switch emulator running in our switch!

lordelan · Feb 24, 2019

osaka35 said:
if only it had gps so i could play pokemon go on a nintendo device.

If it's rooted, you can spoof.

osaka35 · Feb 24, 2019

lordelan said:
If it's rooted, you can spoof.

I've tried spoofing on devices without it, but I've always run into problems. Figured it had to do with lack of hardware, so there wasn't anything to spoof. I should look into it more than not at all lol.

But pokemon go on the switch would be hilarious.

TheZander · Feb 24, 2019

i wonder how that new android switch emulator works on it

Andalitez · Feb 24, 2019

FAST6191 said:
Wonder where all the "why would you want to do that" crowd went.

Part of the crowd right here xD

Giodude · Feb 24, 2019

TheZander said:
i wonder how that new android switch emulator works on it

No, stop. Don't get us into a loop.

gianm93 · Feb 24, 2019

Why should I use android on my switch? I can't think to a reason, except for media center

FAST6191 · Feb 24, 2019

Andalitez said:
Part of the crowd right here xD

OK then. Do you have a reason why this sort of thing is either a waste of time or otherwise likely to negatively impact Switch homebrew?

Rob Blou · Feb 24, 2019

Dreamcast emu works well on Android

pedro702 · Feb 24, 2019

FAST6191 said:
OK then. Do you have a reason why this sort of thing is either a waste of time or otherwise likely to negatively impact Switch homebrew?

easy, people wont develop emulators for switch os with better performance becuase they are made for it because you can run them on android os, retroarch basicaly already killed specialy designed emulators for consoles too, i miss original xbox and wii days where people made emulators that fit the system and runned much better than standard ported ones.

Foxi4 · Feb 24, 2019

pedro702 said:
easy, people wont develop emulators for switch os with better performance becuase they are made for it because you can run them on android os, retroarch basicaly already killed specialy designed emulators for consoles too, i miss original xbox and wii days where people made emulators that fit the system and runned much better than standard ported ones.

That's not what happens though - nearly every hacked modern console ran some flavour of Linux, including the Wii and Xbox, and that didn't stop development on the native OS.

pedro702 · Feb 24, 2019

Foxi4 said:
That's not what happens though - nearly every hacked modern console ran some flavour of Linux, including the Wii and Xbox, and that didn't stop development on the native OS.

linux was never a usefull thing specialy on wii or wiiu.

if people say you can run a emulator version using another os then they wont have any interest in developing one that runs better, which could run with better framerate and such.

retroarch was the reason no one ever developed anything for wiiu, people were like retroarch runs why bother and that was the issue, that is the reason wiiu didnt even get a full speed ps1 emulator while wii had one that run several games full speed even if lower compat.

FAST6191 · Feb 24, 2019

pedro702 said:
easy, people wont develop emulators for switch os with better performance becuase they are made for it because you can run them on android os, retroarch basicaly already killed specialy designed emulators for consoles too, i miss original xbox and wii days where people made emulators that fit the system and runned much better than standard ported ones.

The PSP was largely ports, and it pretty much still carries the distinction of best portable emulator device that isn't a PC.

Similarly I would not say the Wii was not all ports -- those days died with the rise of IOS and android during the DS era.

I might even go further and say I would much rather have something like android so I can do my convoluted custom setup that nobody else cares about as far as backup and transfer of my saves and ROMs from my own internal network.

pedro702 · Feb 24, 2019

FAST6191 said:
The PSP was largely ports, and it pretty much still carries the distinction of best portable emulator device that isn't a PC.

Similarly I would not say the Wii was not all ports -- those days died with the rise of IOS and android during the DS era.

I might even go further and say I would much rather have something like android so I can do my convoluted custom setup that nobody else cares about as far as backup and transfer of my saves and ROMs from my own internal network.

nothing against porting emulators and adapting them to the hardware, but just porting an os and then running them on said os will always be worse, than running them on default os.

FAST6191 · Feb 24, 2019

pedro702 said:
nothing against porting emulators and adapting them to the hardware, but just porting an os and then running them on said os will always be worse, than running them on default os.

How much overhead are you expecting here? Is it going to be that much more than the generally poorly optimised code we are otherwise likely to see on the Switch?

Foxi4 · Feb 24, 2019

pedro702 said:
linux was never a usefull thing specialy on wii or wiiu.

if people say you can run a emulator version using another os then they wont have any interest in developing one that runs better, which could run with better framerate and such.

retroarch was the reason no one ever developed anything for wiiu, people were like retroarch runs why bother and that was the issue, that is the reason wiiu didnt even get a full speed ps1 emulator while wii had one that run several games full speed even if lower compat.

You do realise that Retroarch is just a front end, right? You still have to port the entire libretro library to do anything with it on a desired platform. It doesn't work "significantly slower" (however you choose to define that) than a comparable emulator running without the front end, it's just more convenient. It's also completely untrue that Linux was not useful on older consoles - it was extremely useful, particularly on the Xbox. There is a much more obvious reason as to why nobody cared to develop anything substantial for the Wii U - it's a weak system with outdated internals and relatively low overall sales, the console wasn't popular enough to make the homebrew accessible to the masses. The Switch is a much more promising platform.

Sakitoshi · Feb 24, 2019

FAST6191 said:
How much overhead are you expecting here? Is it going to be that much more than the generally poorly optimised code we are otherwise likely to see on the Switch?

raspi 3 owner here, libretro emus run worse than standalone ones.
how much worse?? I don't know exactly, the best example I have is the dreamcast emulator, reicast. the standalone one runs many games full speed while the libretro version struggles and only achieves around 80% the intended speed.
it's similar with n64, but as n64 emulation is a little less demanding you can achieve acceptable speeds (acceptable being 95%) with the libretro mupen64plus, some games can run at 100% speed with some stutters here then there (mario kart 64 is one of those).

TL;DR retroarch introduces enough overhead to make things unplayable on low power devices.

FAST6191 · Feb 24, 2019

Sakitoshi said:
raspi 3 owner here, libretro emus run worse than standalone ones.
how much worse?? I don't know exactly, the best example I have is the dreamcast emulator, reicast. the standalone one runs many games full speed while the libretro version struggles and only achieves around 80% the intended speed.
it's similar with n64, but as n64 emulation is a little less demanding you can achieve acceptable speeds (acceptable being 95%) with the libretro mupen64plus, some games can run at 100% speed with some stutters here then there (mario kart 64 is one of those).

TL;DR retroarch introduces enough overhead to make things unplayable on low power devices.

I was mainly thinking about android overhead -- I have never been fond of the multiple emulator frontends like this and the libretro people have not acquitted themselves well in conversations and actions I have seen about the place (to say nothing of their awful licensing).
Still if the overhead is going to be comparable then that could be fun.

Foxi4 · Feb 24, 2019

Sakitoshi said:
raspi 3 owner here, libretro emus run worse than standalone ones.
how much worse?? I don't know exactly, the best example I have is the dreamcast emulator, reicast. the standalone one runs many games full speed while the libretro version struggles and only achieves around 80% the intended speed.
it's similar with n64, but as n64 emulation is a little less demanding you can achieve acceptable speeds (acceptable being 95%) with the libretro mupen64plus, some games can run at 100% speed with some stutters here then there (mario kart 64 is one of those).

TL;DR retroarch introduces enough overhead to make things unplayable on low power devices.

It's a RPi3, I'm not sure what you're expecting here. It's a miracle that it runs DC and N64 emulation at all. We're talking about an orders of magnitude more powerful machine, shrink that "20%" to "imperceptible". I am also leaning towards "bad optimisation" as opposed to "overhead" here since you're libretro-dependant, any code that affects the library affects the end result.

Tom Bombadildo · Feb 24, 2019

Meh. Can't say I'd be interested in this at all myself, I already have more than enough devices that could run whatever on Android, don't really need another.

I would be more interested if they could get the Shield TVs particular flavor of Android running though, mainly because I think it'd be neat to see how the official Wii emulated games would run on the same hardware that's been gimped vs the Linux port (or even the Android Dolphin build). I don't think anyone's gotten usable dumps of the games from the Chinese store (publicly, at least) so that'd be kinda the only way to do it.

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