I was going to post a snarky comment here about how this thread will go well, but this is a post from last year, so...
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How do you feel about abortion?
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Next person to show up with a "but I am pro life and you've got to save the babies" stance in 3, 2, 1 ...
But then this also has a current political component, since the current administration in the US feels the need to return favors to the religious right.
( https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/...-restrict-federal-funding-clinics/2951875002/ )
But then this also has a current political component, since the current administration in the US feels the need to return favors to the religious right.
( https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/...-restrict-federal-funding-clinics/2951875002/ )
It somewhat sounds like you're saying, "I think it works so long as you interpret the rules precisely how I do."
That's not a realistic prospect for an effective law. The problem is everyone believes that all with different interpretations. There is always a wider variety intrapopulation than there is between mean views interpopulation.
Regarding the it applies to 1 day old baby... It does. This is why in late stage (18weeks +) abortions the foetus is killed similar to a lethal injection (usually using a potassium chloride injection into it's heart).
And then the abortion happens. There is no purpose of that injection other than to ensure the foetus dies before delivery.
Why is that legal? Well because before birth the foetus is part of the mother. Once born it is not.
So it doesn't make sense to compare a baby to a foetus.
Similarly all those ultrasound scans on facebook don't count as child porn. It aint a child until born.
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Last sentence almost is free association and unnecessary. (If a pediatrist sees a child nude, thats not pederastic either... context.)
With late term abortions this almost seems to be necessary. If you induce delivery and then leave it to chance - if the child lives, that would be freaking horrible, empathically speaking. But im sure that with going into detail here, you've made up the minds of a few more folks...
Its not an easy decision, legal concept or process. Its still necessary though to have it somehow legally rectified. It wont just stop, just because you make it illegal.
With late term abortions this almost seems to be necessary. If you induce delivery and then leave it to chance - if the child lives, that would be freaking horrible, empathically speaking. But im sure that with going into detail here, you've made up the minds of a few more folks...
Its not an easy decision, legal concept or process. Its still necessary though to have it somehow legally rectified. It wont just stop, just because you make it illegal.
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Last sentence almost is free association and unnecessary. (If a pediatrist sees a child nude, thats not pederastic either... context.)
With late term abortions this almost seems to be necessary. If you induce delivery and then leave it to chance - if the child lives, that would be freaking horrible, empathically speaking. But im sure that with going into detail here, you've made up the minds of a few more folks...
Its not an easy decision, legal concept or process. Its still necessary though to have it somehow legally rectified. It wont just stop, just because you make it illegal.
The facts remain the same, birth is the watershed when a foetus (stops being a foetus becomes a baby and) gains human rights.
Trying to give those human rights to a foetus is ludicrous.
Legally you may be right, strictly speaking, but trust me, this is not how people feel about it. You are tempting faith (and political pushback) by not mediating the message. You dont have to hold a hardliner mentality here, law is on your side. Its not wrong to show some empathy as well.
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There is definitely a vindictiveness about peoples views on abortion.
People act like the women getting them are having the time of their lives in the clinic. So people stigmatise the process and women feel the need to cry and shit take on some sort of sick role.
If you're saying that was required to make it palatable to the public. That's possible.
I don't agree though.
Stigmatising gays didn't make it become legal, the pursuit of negative liberty is what did the trick. The "Mind your own business" crowd.
If anything normalising the process and removing the stigma is what lead to the law change by making people realise it isn't their business what consenting adults do.
Same thing there. The stigma is what makes it hard to change the laws.
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Thats a tangent, but the thing is, I can understand the 'mind your own business' crowd. Its the easy way out. Sometimes thats necessary as well.
Still, I agree. With the entirety of your last post.
LGBs changed social norms by appealing to morals and reason, over a long long time. Not by agitating. Thats important as well. Wouldnt be my first choice either, but thats how you do it. (According to Steven Fry. )
Still, I agree. With the entirety of your last post.
LGBs changed social norms by appealing to morals and reason, over a long long time. Not by agitating. Thats important as well. Wouldnt be my first choice either, but thats how you do it. (According to Steven Fry.
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are you so challenged? why do you imagine the birth rate dwindles in their models? I have to look at gay meme line website to know it is a dwindling amount of land, resources, clean water etc.
Let's just not anyone get an abortion..
then the sub 100 iq pro-life parents can give rise to a sub 90 iq pro-life generation, gen X47.
Have you been to a city lately? The mutants hopping around are alarming.
It's a completely asinine position.
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Let's just not anyone get an abortion..
then the sub 100 iq pro-life parents can give rise to a sub 90 iq pro-life generation, gen X47.
Have you been to a city lately? The mutants hopping around are alarming.
It's a completely asinine position.
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From 1970 to 2020 the worlds population more than doubled. Stuff like that isnt sustainable. Abortions arent even connected to a solution though. I'll state it more simply this time around, It would be like bringing five times the amount of aid money financed clinics to a third world country, and then telling them "you get them for abortions".
People would cough you something, and rightly so. You have to regulate over incentives, and basic conditions within a country.
That exponential growth (especially oil fueled one) usually isnt sustainable , is an easy lesson. So its almost expected for growth to peter out over time. Again the tough parts as always are the transitions.
Abortions are almost entirely unconnected though, I'd asume - so dont make that the big topic nowadays - if you dont have to.
I'd assume they are about as closely connected as - if you've gotten most of your female citizens into the workforce for productivity to be high enough, so a couple could sustain a living wage, and raise a child - along the way decisions are necessary as to when they'd want to have children, and in cases their planning to have children at a certain point in their careers fails, they are also bound to have abortions.
Meaning, there are other factors, that are much more closely related to a reduction of birthrates in urban environments in the developed world than abortions. Abortion I'd assume don't count for any significant amount of that. Contraception does. Different aspects of family planning ("want to travel more...") do. Considerations as to when you'll be able to afford children do. And so on and so forth.
You dont solve an exponential growing curve issue with one time "now lets all promote abortion" drives. Thats just silly. I know that 'on the box' it says that abortions are killing babies (fetuses), but conceptually thats still not the solution to overpopulation.
Also, thats not necessarily the aspects of society you 'should' be concerned about. If push comes to shove and basic humanitarian aid doesnt solve the situation anymore (because of climate change lets say, and a related decline in food production), developed countries have shown, that they are willing to "wall" themselves in. Maybe start some wars... Then those are the 'solutions' we are talking about. So not stuff the average person should think about on a daily basis.
You have other issues to tackle in my opinion. Lets start with "how to not let political decisions be decided by baby boomers - almost all your life" for starters. Or lets talk about the issue of wealth accumulation in globalization and zero growth economies. Issues much more related to your daily lives.
Sadly you cant "save the babies" outrage logic, those...
Or in simpler terms. You cant just always announce that Trump is an idiot, and then bite at every idiotic calculated distraction his party throws at you - "because of saving the babies". Abortion is NOT a hot topic of the day, because there would be pressing decisions that have to be made.
People would cough you something, and rightly so. You have to regulate over incentives, and basic conditions within a country.
That exponential growth (especially oil fueled one) usually isnt sustainable , is an easy lesson. So its almost expected for growth to peter out over time. Again the tough parts as always are the transitions.
Abortions are almost entirely unconnected though, I'd asume - so dont make that the big topic nowadays - if you dont have to.
I'd assume they are about as closely connected as - if you've gotten most of your female citizens into the workforce for productivity to be high enough, so a couple could sustain a living wage, and raise a child - along the way decisions are necessary as to when they'd want to have children, and in cases their planning to have children at a certain point in their careers fails, they are also bound to have abortions.
Meaning, there are other factors, that are much more closely related to a reduction of birthrates in urban environments in the developed world than abortions. Abortion I'd assume don't count for any significant amount of that. Contraception does. Different aspects of family planning ("want to travel more...") do. Considerations as to when you'll be able to afford children do. And so on and so forth.
You dont solve an exponential growing curve issue with one time "now lets all promote abortion" drives. Thats just silly. I know that 'on the box' it says that abortions are killing babies (fetuses), but conceptually thats still not the solution to overpopulation.
Also, thats not necessarily the aspects of society you 'should' be concerned about. If push comes to shove and basic humanitarian aid doesnt solve the situation anymore (because of climate change lets say, and a related decline in food production), developed countries have shown, that they are willing to "wall" themselves in. Maybe start some wars... Then those are the 'solutions' we are talking about. So not stuff the average person should think about on a daily basis.
You have other issues to tackle in my opinion.
Lets start with "how to not let political decisions be decided by baby boomers - almost all your life" for starters. Or lets talk about the issue of wealth accumulation in globalization and zero growth economies. Issues much more related to your daily lives.Sadly you cant "save the babies" outrage logic, those...
Or in simpler terms. You cant just always announce that Trump is an idiot, and then bite at every idiotic calculated distraction his party throws at you - "because of saving the babies". Abortion is NOT a hot topic of the day, because there would be pressing decisions that have to be made.
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Good ethical professors tend to ask questions to push you to a deeper understanding, to make sure you're not just taking the path of least resistance. Doesn't necessarily mean that was the end-point your professor had in mind. They try to always make sure you're questioning your assumptions.
the professor answered through defining the question. Or rather, the assumption of the answer was baked into the question, which is a logical no-no, and intentionally malformed I'm guessing. Could be the professor was picking up on something that needed to be addressed? He was begging the question, so he'd have to be.
But basically, it being an injustice or not is what the entire point of this thread X'D. More specifically, who involved could be considered injusticed? (lol injusticed). And how do we balance injustices?
Honestly in my opinion and I am sure it will piss alot of people off is...
If the left want to kill all of their own offspring that is a good thing. We do not need them bringing more people like them on the earth!
Not only that, what is the point in bringing a child into this world in this day and age? I would not bring in another child into this leftist, communist, resisting, "America was never Great", montrosity!
Your common sense and morals are wacked out!
If the left want to kill all of their own offspring that is a good thing. We do not need them bringing more people like them on the earth!
Not only that, what is the point in bringing a child into this world in this day and age? I would not bring in another child into this leftist, communist, resisting, "America was never Great", montrosity!
Your common sense and morals are wacked out!
America was never great in your lifetime.
Those are your achievements so far: The "father of the internet" wants the web to start over. Mark Zuckyboys industry mentor has just released a "I'm very disapointed in all this" tellall book. Some wars you've started and all lost. And on top of it, you decided to cut some taxes for the rich, shortly after bailing them out in a financial crtises, you've exported to the world. You suck. You still laugh at cowfart jokes, when people talk about global warming.
Also, as you've said - because you will be the only ones still having children, you've solved the problem. Just dont let your children ever become leftists. Start with getting them no higher education.
Maybe buy them some MAGA hats if they behave.
edit: Also Hollywood movies are almost unwatchable at the moment.
On a more serious note, if you debate issues based on two fixed political camps positions all your lives, you've become very well domesticated. Have a child on me, for that. You are representing, literally just repeating what FOX news broadcasts. You arent even fit for democracy at that point. Because all your life, you'll be thinking in camps, and not issues.
And yet you get a vote.
AM er ICA great, something, something...
Those are your achievements so far: The "father of the internet" wants the web to start over. Mark Zuckyboys industry mentor has just released a "I'm very disapointed in all this" tellall book. Some wars you've started and all lost. And on top of it, you decided to cut some taxes for the rich, shortly after bailing them out in a financial crtises, you've exported to the world. You suck. You still laugh at cowfart jokes, when people talk about global warming.
Also, as you've said - because you will be the only ones still having children, you've solved the problem. Just dont let your children ever become leftists. Start with getting them no higher education.
Maybe buy them some MAGA hats if they behave.
edit: Also Hollywood movies are almost unwatchable at the moment.
On a more serious note, if you debate issues based on two fixed political camps positions all your lives, you've become very well domesticated. Have a child on me, for that.
You are representing, literally just repeating what FOX news broadcasts. You arent even fit for democracy at that point. Because all your life, you'll be thinking in camps, and not issues.And yet you get a vote.
AM er ICA great, something, something...
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let her/them choose.
not everything is always black and white or absolute.
that is probably my only liberal view in my body.
Most metal thing I've heard, 2019.
This is gonna be hard to beat..
not everything is always black and white or absolute.
that is probably my only liberal view in my body.
Most metal thing I've heard, 2019.
This is gonna be hard to beat..
Tangent: Its hopeless. Every american still thinks, that their feelings on this issues are important - then they'll go see a fun Disney movie - that literally tells them -
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To see more idiotic banter, added to this kind of propaganda, watch a few seconds of the Late Show I just clipped.
https://streamable.com/3gnzr
I'm watching stuff like this with disgust at the moment. Somehow - It still makes folks in the US laugh though.
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To see more idiotic banter, added to this kind of propaganda, watch a few seconds of the Late Show I just clipped.
https://streamable.com/3gnzr
I'm watching stuff like this with disgust at the moment. Somehow - It still makes folks in the US laugh though.
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It’s honestly shocking that people are so upity about an abortion but a school shooting is mostly accepted these days.
You can tell antiabortion views tend to be skin deep because we still have a huge number of children in care waiting for adoption.
Ron Paul would have been the US president already if he didn’t have such moronic views on abortion.
Three random facts to blow your mind this morning.
You can tell antiabortion views tend to be skin deep because we still have a huge number of children in care waiting for adoption.
Ron Paul would have been the US president already if he didn’t have such moronic views on abortion.
Three random facts to blow your mind this morning.
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