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Someone pls explain why Democrats don't want ICE contacted if illegal aliens attempt to buy guns

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This is all over the place, I'm not even sure how to respond. My point was that we now have an authoritarian as president, and an oppressive government. The exact situation that the second amendment was meant to prevent. Not a single gun nut has the strength of their convictions, however, and as a result, there was never any chance of another revolution happening.

I'm very much aware of how the electoral college works, but your 'doom and gloom' philosophy fails to account for the fact that there's a push through state legislatures right now to end the electoral college. Also it's only recently that the EC has resulted in presidents that the majority didn't vote for.


go watch the video with steven crowder when he interviews people and asks them if they think trump is an authoritarian and if we now have an oppresive government.
please watch the whole thing.
it is not biased. watch it, its funny

no, we dont have an oppressive government, and trump is not a facist, please look up those two words in the dictionary, and then come back here and tell me which of those things he has done? where are the policies proving what you just said??
ignorant, quit watching news and letting your brain and heart get molded by liberal communist scum.
use your brain ffs
 
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omg.
go watch the video with steven crowder when he interviews people and asks them if they think trump is an authoritarian and if we now have an oppresive government.

no, we dont have an oppressive government, and trump is not a facist, please look up those two words in the dictionary, and then come back here and tell me which of those things he has done? where are the policies proving what you just said??
ignorant, quit watching news and letting your brain and heart get molded by liberal communist scum.
use your brain ffs
You're a fucking dipshit. Of course the people that voted for him don't think he's an authoritarian, but they're a goddamned cult. They'll believe absolutely anything Cheeto Benito tells them to.

At this rate you'll be bringing up Scientologist talking points next.
 
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You're a fucking dipshit. Of course the people that voted for him don't think he's an authoritarian, but they're a goddamned cult. They'll believe absolutely anything Cheeto Benito tells them to.

At this rate you'll be bringing up Scientologist talking points next.
The same can be said about Democrats though. Yeah, I get where you're coming from.. But that argument can be used against you... There's a bad joke in there, I swear.
 
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You're a fucking dipshit. Of course the people that voted for him don't think he's an authoritarian, but they're a goddamned cult. They'll believe absolutely anything Cheeto Benito tells them to.

At this rate you'll be bringing up Scientologist talking points next.

and you believe anything you hear or read or see on tv for face value huh??
if you have proof, show me a policy that oppresses the nation????

where do you see that i said that i voted for trump??????
and no i didnt vote for him, i hate the government.
i never vote, never will.
jokes on you.

but i will argue when i hear a lie, or false info, no matter what party, ill defend hillary or condemn her if you show me proof.

you really are ignorant arent you...
im done talking to you.
 
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The same can be said about Democrats though. Yeah, I get where you're coming from.. But that argument can be used against you... There's a bad joke in there, I swear.
Not even remotely. I still got my news from the news during the Obama administration, I didn't check his opinions on things first and then cement those opinions as fact in my mind. There's never been a left-wing 'Q.' Democrats have also never elected a know-nothing xenophobic reality TV star to the presidency. There's simply no comparison.
 
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hmm, and im suuuuch a dipshit yet i just gained booko xp and leveled up just for the few comments i posted in this thread this afternoon.
have a good day bro.

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know-nothing xenophobic? lmao

you must be one of them skinny hipster dudes that vapes fruit loops and dont eat meat and inside you think your a girl when ur really a boy huh??
lmao
oh god yes..
youre making my day..
SEE I CAN BE NASTY TOO
And Scientology points?
see, youre brainwashed dude.
slow down before you make assumptions in your head.
no i think Scientology is completely ridiculous, but i also believe god is not real, and religion was made by an ancient branch of the now free masons to control humanity and dumb them down.
i dont fall for any of the shit, trump, hillary, god, satan,
see the pattern? this or that, this or that.. brain washed...
 
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Because they are busy looking into your political views online via the "Social" "Media" Trap that everyone has bought into to see who disagrees with them and are taking note to contact the TP or the PC if you "Disagree"

Thought Police / Political Correct for those with Soy in their StarBucks ;)
 

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The news articles are rather focused on the illegal alien issue, but actually the amendment was not just to contact ICE when an illegal alien attempted to buy a gun, but to contact law enforcement when any background check was rejected.

Attempting to purchase a gun when you're prohibited by law or by submitting a false 4473 form to a federally licensed firearms dealer (FFL) is a crime, so law enforcement should be alerted, right? Well, Democrats in the House Judiciary Committee voted to kill that amendment to their "Bipartisan Background Checks Act."

Do they really want their gun control legislation to result in catching criminals, or do they just want control over everyone else?

Also, why hasn't CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, etc reported this story? It is newsworthy, isn't it???


Why do you read this trash?

You know it's propaganda and not true news because it doesn't have any comment, reply, view or input from the people they are targeting.

This amendment was designed to complicate HR8 to make it destine to fail later. It was part of many, many amendments pushed to make it look like republicans supported the bill while also filibustering it to death.

Republicans don't want HR8 at all as they think it is an attack on peoples rights (they don't like universal background checks) and the smart way for them to fight it is not to declare this so directly but to cause the bill to fail.

I'm pretty sure this tactic is covered in just about any high school pol sci text covering US politics.


LPT if the "news" you are reading does not contain rebuttal STOP reading it. It's propaganda not news
 
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hmm, and im suuuuch a dipshit yet i just gained booko xp and leveled up just for the few comments i posted in this thread this afternoon.
have a good day bro.
Ooh, internet points! Maybe you can donate some of those to help find a cure for Trump's early-onset Alzheimer's.
 

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*looks at Fox link in my OP*

*sees mucho rebuttal coverage*

*scratches head*
At least on the national level, Fox tends to make shit up a lot. They also technically bill themselves as 'entertainment' and not news, so they never issue retractions for stories that later turn out to be false.

I do see some solid reporting out of local Fox affiliates sometimes, but that's a different story.
 
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So who is gonna win this years Wrestlemania oh no one watches Wrestling you say?
You Watch the News dont you I mean Fake News!
 

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At least on the national level, Fox tends to make shit up a lot. They also technically bill themselves as 'entertainment' and not news, so they never issue retractions for stories that later turn out to be false.

I do see some solid reporting out of local Fox affiliates sometimes, but that's a different story.


Not trying to dissuade you or anyone else of your devotion to CNN as a bastion of truth and Fox as total hogwash. You’re entitled to your opinion. Just didn’t understand the guy saying it wasn’t news b/c there was no rebuttal. The Democratic position was represented thoroughly in the article.
 
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Not trying to dissuade you or anyone else of your devotion to CNN as a bastion of truth and Fox as total hogwash. You’re entitled to your opinion. Just didn’t understand the guy saying it wasn’t news b/c there was no rebuttal. The Democratic position was represented thoroughly in the article.
CNN is basically Fox now, they decided it would be easier if they didn't have to be weighed down by that pesky "journalistic integrity."

https://gbatemp.net/threads/cnn-ann...rience-to-head-2020-election-coverage.531828/

So who is gonna win this years Wrestlemania oh no one watches Wrestling you say?
You Watch the News dont you I mean Fake News!
Nobody watches the news any more, unless maybe they're over sixty. I read my news from various sources on the internet like most people.
 

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The news articles are rather focused on the illegal alien issue, but actually the amendment was not just to contact ICE when an illegal alien attempted to buy a gun, but to contact law enforcement when any background check was rejected.

I don't get it.

"Of a total of 8.6 million transactions processed by federal officials that year, 112,710 were rejected but only about 12,700 were referred for further investigation by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

In a review of 13 states that handle the background check forms themselves, 10 do not investigate or prosecute firearms denials, with some saying they have other law enforcement priorities.

One of the remaining three states, Pennsylvania, made 1,900 referrals for prosecution in 2017 and obtained about 470 convictions. Federal investigators were told that since 2014 the policy of the Pennsylvania Instant Check System has been to investigate all firearm denials."

Seems pretty obvious that (1) not all firearm denials are criminal (only ~24.7% in Pennsylvania resulted in convictions) and (2) it's on a State-by-State basis for most of what is legal or illegal. Further, clearly plenty of States themselves aren't interested in prosecuting people--"they have other law enforcement priorities". It's not even the issue of it being a poison pill. It's literally a pointless exercise.
 

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At least on the national level, Fox tends to make shit up a lot. They also technically bill themselves as 'entertainment' and not news, so they never issue retractions for stories that later turn out to be false.

I do see some solid reporting out of local Fox affiliates sometimes, but that's a different story.

that's my issue, they may portray they are entertainment, or something of the like, but other news companies don't, there is such thing as false news,and regardless of company, they are all right on the presidents paycheck.
fun fact, since you brought up trump being a fascist and is oppressing the nation
"sieg heil"
Obama/his administration has spent the most money in us history suppressing journalists and media.
trump spent 0.
if we are going by the term fascist in Merriam Webster.

i think it is trumps personality and his ego that people don't like, i really don't care for him either, but then again i don't care about any of them.

but i do enjoy a good conversation.
living in the country for the last 10 years will certainly bring forth a yearning to talk to people.
dipshits or not ;)

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Why do you guys always have to bring your political bs into my videogame forums?

And why do you guys always insist that the anti-migrant parties law proposals aren't at all in pursuit of their anti-migrant agenda?

hm, the world doesnt revolve around you?

just like when someone made a post asking for sexual orientation threads or pokemon religion threads to be banned and Costello himself said if you dont like it dont read it, then he locked the thread.
freedom of speech, ya arse.
we are one of the only countries to have it, enjoy it while you can,
or i guess its because people like you take away that right just because you dont like certain words when placed in a certain order.
jesus h effin christ..
 

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Have you ever purchased a firearm from an FFL and completed the 4473? You cannot attempt to make the purchase without turning in a completed 4473. You cannot complete the 4473 without representing that you are legally eligible and not prohibited from purchasing. The background check is not run until you complete the form and all your answers say you are good to buy.

also not all areas require an ffl
 

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