My point was that if one were to argue that only fertile couples who plan on having children should be able to marry, then why isn't anyone advocating that we make marriage illegal to all but those couples?
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How Progressive Is Japan
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Do you have a link? I know about the practice of holding several jobs just to get by. It sucks.
To google:
Japanese word for sleeping at work: inemuri
Japanese word for dying from overworking: karoshi
Here are some articles about the issues from the japanese perspective:
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/will-japan-finally-face-up-to-karoshi
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...panese-firms-tackle-epidemic-of-sleeplessness
I really doubt it has anything to do with that, Japanese culture is very very different than ours, hard for us to understand.
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There are numerous studies that show: as women are granted more and more rights, they have less children and so the birthrate becomes below replacement value, therefore feminism is the solution to overpopulation. Now I ask you to think if "more rights for women" = "declining birth rate", what needs to happen for the birthrate to grow?
I didn't say you were.If you go back a couple post I wasn't either
The answer is something between marketing and more incentives for families to have children (usually tax based).
But if you look at it from the perspective of there not being indefinite amounts of oil left, less population growth suddenly looks more like a solution.
The issues as always are the transitioning phases.
So for example, if the baby boomer generation can dominate politics, simply by mass - this becomes an issue.
If we dont have the same growth built in into our economies - this becomes an issue.
If the only supposedly positive concepts and outlooks, that are floating around, are based around "saving the world" and "reducing climate change", that has limited growth potential - and no immediate local impact, so - this becomes an issue.
The thing is though, that going back to old solutions (that hardly worked back then) isnt the solution either, because the world develops around us (thats the globalization argument)...
So this becomes a complex issue.
If for you its just "prolonging your cultural heritage" its not, but if you look past that - it becomes a more complex issue, very fast. And in terms of prolonging cultural heritage - you would be amazed, how much cultures tend to change even in conservative countries over the years. Go back two generations, and you wouldnt recognize your own country - regardless of how progressive it was.
So after a while the "do I feel at home" argument lingers more around language than anything else. And if you look at that with an "agist" filter as well - the anti-immigration sentiments are caused by the same people who caused the population decline in the first place. And they did it to top off their economic status - from a base level, that their children never will reach.
If they'd now tell their children, to regress on womens rights to "solve this" because they want to feel more at home in their old days, that wont go over well. Apart from, that that wouldnt help.
Direct correlation from feminism to lower birth rates is questionable as well. They just were around at the same time.
Look at your parents. They caused the problem. Were they really that feminist? I'm inclined to call rightwing BS.
Count years, and get to the same conclusion.
Last edited by notimp,
ABC News
https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=93364&page=1
137 more hours then Japanese workers
https://20somethingfinance.com/american-hours-worked-productivity-vacation/
This one puts Mexico at top. U.S. 16. And Japan at 22.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.te...ationalities-that-work-the-longest-hours/amp/
You are adding complexity where none needs to be. This is an extremely simple issue. Were our parent feminists? Yes, feminism has been around for over 100 years now and the problems started with the enlightenment. The enlightenment got many things right, but "men and women are equal" is not one of them. And the current course of event is also very simple. Either you take women's right away yourself, or another culture will invade, destroy yours, and then take women's rights for you. There is no ending here where women keep their rights, your grandchildren will either hear how we had to take women's rights away or they will not exist at all.The answer is something between marketing and more incentives for families to have children (usually tax based).
But if you look at it from the perspective of there not being indefinite amounts of oil left, less population growth suddenly looks more like a solution.
The issues as always are the transitioning phases.
So for example, if the baby boomer generation can dominate politics, simply by mass - this becomes an issue.
If we dont have the same growth built in into our economies - this becomes an issue.
If the only supposedly positive concepts and outlooks, that are floating around, are based around "saving the world" and "reducing climate change", that has limited growth potential - and no immediate local impact, so - this becomes an issue.
The thing is though, that going back to old solutions (that hardly worked back then) isnt the solution either, because the world develops around us (thats the globalization argument)...
So this becomes a complex issue.
If for you its just "prolonging your cultural heritage" its not, but if you look past that - it becomes a more complex issue, very fast. And in terms of prolonging cultural heritage - you would be amazed, how much cultures tend to change even in conservative countries over the years. Go back two generations, and you wouldnt recognize your own country - regardless of how progressive it was.
So after a while the "do I feel at home" argument lingers more around language than anything else. And if you look at that with an "agist" filter as well - the anti-immigration sentiments are caused by the same people who caused the population decline in the first place. And they did it to top off their economic status - from a base level, that their children never will reach.
If they'd now tell their children, to regress on womens rights to "solve this" because they want to feel more at home in their old days, that wont go over well. Apart from, that that wouldnt help.
Direct correlation from feminism to lower birth rates is questionable as well. They just were around at the same time.
I'm inclined to call rightwing BS.
The work hours is a lot from single job holders.
Politifact recently did a fact check on Alaxandria Ocasio-Cortez and they gave her a pants on fire rating.
People that hold multiple jobs is 4% of the work force. This is full time and part time jobs.
If you count 2 full time jobs it’s 2%.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...dria-ocasio-cortez-wrong-several-counts-abou/
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@SG854: Vacation times play into those statistic as well, but looking at the yearly averages and comparing japan and other european countries, the differences arent as high, as I would have thought.
So the "sleeping at work" problem in japan seems to result more from longer commuting times (getting less sleep overall) than other factors.
Or their official statistics are fudged..
So the "sleeping at work" problem in japan seems to result more from longer commuting times (getting less sleep overall) than other factors.
Or their official statistics are fudged..
Probably. How would that factor in? U.S. doesn’t take as much vacation as other western nations. I don’t know their vacation days compared to Japan.@SG854: Vacation times play into those statistic as well, but looking at the yearly averages and comparing japan and other european countries, the differences arent as high, as I would have thought.
So the "sleeping at work" problem in japan seems to result more from longer commuting times (getting less sleep overall) than other factors.
Or their official statistics are fudged..
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https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotalAnd I'm out.
Grew up in a family of strong women, I'm afraid.
Not a chance.
Why Are all westerners so orientalistic, thinking every move involves some zen shit mystic sense of honor or whatever?
I can guarantee you that honor has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with it. It’s the exact same thing as every other developed country. Careers, money, free time and other factors that keep people from having kids. Having a kid costs a load of money. Japan especially because schools arent free (here are public schools but these are avoided like plague). Just giving a birth costs somewhere around $6k there (if i remember correctly).
Then theres the problem with the culture of men working and women being housewives. This has been changing drastically in the last 10 years but still one of the parents have to sacrifice his career (women in 99,9%) so that they can take care of kids and all. Pressure to provide enough money for 3+ people is big. Work hours suck ass. Wife usually has to get a “arubaito” working at supermarket, mr donut or some shit like that so that they can pay for everything. Apartments are expensive the closer you are to the cities where jobs are. My colleague had a family in Osaka and he worked in Aomori prefecture, only coming home for Sundays. On that note, fathers go to work at say 8 o clock and return at 9 or 10 in the evening. Many many fathers cant even meet their children unless its a weekend when they have a day off... then you have these “nomikai” which are pretty much required and can last all night to early morning.
People commit suicide because they are stuck in the routine, failing at life and such.
If you think that commiting suicide is considered to be fine in whatever aspect, you should stop watching samurai anime.
Jeez
the problem with overtime stats is the jp goverment cracked down on overtime so people just clock out and keep "working" cause the boss is still there. at my workplace people supposed to finish at 5, but on our "No overtime day" people are finishing at like 7. I always go home right on time (cause im foreign and dont get the culture )but i get messages from my direct supervisor at like 7pm or whatever
To answer the OPs question. LGBT in japan is kinda in a weird place in that its kinda accepted on TV etc (lots of gay/crossdressing celebs) but in daily life its kinda shameful and misunderstood. A friend of mine decided he wanted to come out at work and people thought that it meant he was a pedo too. But that's just par for the course in japan with cutting edge technology and everyone still using fax machines.
)but i get messages from my direct supervisor at like 7pm or whateverTo answer the OPs question. LGBT in japan is kinda in a weird place in that its kinda accepted on TV etc (lots of gay/crossdressing celebs) but in daily life its kinda shameful and misunderstood. A friend of mine decided he wanted to come out at work and people thought that it meant he was a pedo too. But that's just par for the course in japan with cutting edge technology and everyone still using fax machines.
How I like that simple logic by people, who mean, that accepting gay marriage / propaganda means progression...maybe it's just a western thing...b4 you attaking me for my opinion: i dont care you can feel superior or whatever you think to be and beeing super duper progressive...just stop dictating your anti natural "progressive opinion" to others...same poison as bringing your "democracy" to other countries.
you can feel superior or whatever you think to be and beeing super duper progressive...just stop dictating your anti natural "progressive opinion" to others...same poison as bringing your "democracy" to other countries.Similar threads
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