Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Online Event to be livestreamed this weekend

H1B1Esquire · Feb 8, 2019

Piranha Plant better be banned.

Monado_III · Feb 8, 2019

lol, a tournament with items on, 7:00 long matches, smash balls, and any stage as long as there are no hazards (hello walk-offs!)
https://www.nintendo.com/switch/events/ssbu-nao-2019-official-rules/

radicalwookie · Feb 8, 2019

items on? what blasphemy is this?

sTo0z · Feb 8, 2019

Monado_III said:
lol, a tournament with items on, 7:00 long matches, smash balls, and any stage as long as there are no hazards (hello walk-offs!)
https://www.nintendo.com/switch/events/ssbu-nao-2019-official-rules/

There's already tournaments with hardcore competitive rule sets, I welcome the diversity. It will be something different to watch. There's plenty of room in this world for multiple tournament types/rule sets.

Monado_III · Feb 8, 2019

sTo0z said:
There's already tournaments with hardcore competitive rule sets, I welcome the diversity. It will be something different to watch. There's plenty of room in this world for multiple tournament types/rule sets.

but several of those are extremely bad ideas that lead to very boring gameplay, timed battles mean that camping is rewarded as once you get a lead, killing time by camping and running away is a really, really strong strategy. I wouldn't be surprised if most people win just from, one or two kills. Any stages is also a bad idea, even with no hazards, as again, camping is heavily rewarded, (ie get a kill on hyrule temple, then head down to the caves of life and win because it's really, really easy to take over 300% and still not die with all the walls there). And walk offs are so easily abusable and can lead to kills off of a single grab (or even a single jab if you space well enough) at 0%, that's not fun to play or watch, even playing casually with friends with only OP items turned on at high spawn rate I try to not use stages with walk offs.

HEADBOY · Feb 8, 2019

H1B1Esquire said:
Piranha Plant better be banned.

Is he too op? I have the DLC but I haven't played him yet.

chrisrlink · Feb 8, 2019

smart to make the qualifiers online don't want any hacked switches in the fray

H1B1Esquire · Feb 8, 2019

awesomehero said:
too op

Check out his combos. I haven't seen the "after" update, but in the right hands, he's giving murder for breakfast.

hamohamo · Feb 8, 2019

I'm ok with items on although i hate items but 7mn timed matches are only a doing of the devil.

The Real Jdbye · Feb 8, 2019

H1B1Esquire said:
Piranha Plant better be banned.

Why? Variety is good.

radicalwookie said:
items on? what blasphemy is this?

Please. Go back to Melee.

Monado_III said:
but several of those are extremely bad ideas that lead to very boring gameplay, timed battles mean that camping is rewarded as once you get a lead, killing time by camping and running away is a really, really strong strategy. I wouldn't be surprised if most people win just from, one or two kills. Any stages is also a bad idea, even with no hazards, as again, camping is heavily rewarded, (ie get a kill on hyrule temple, then head down to the caves of life and win because it's really, really easy to take over 300% and still not die with all the walls there). And walk offs are so easily abusable and can lead to kills off of a single grab (or even a single jab if you space well enough) at 0%, that's not fun to play or watch, even playing casually with friends with only OP items turned on at high spawn rate I try to not use stages with walk offs.

This guy has the right idea. The point of these official competitions isn't so that hardcore players can flaunt their e-peen. It's not supposed to be serious, it's supposed to be fun, and it's supposed to lure new players into the series. Serious players mostly don't care about any other Smash than Melee anyways.
Smash has always been about having fun foremost, it's never been meant to be a serious fighting game for hardcore gamers. I think some people have forgotten how to have fun and are just playing for the sake of being the very best.

Xzi · Feb 8, 2019

H1B1Esquire said:
Piranha Plant better be banned.

Why? He gets reamed by any character with a decent amount of range in their kit. I main Samus so that makes the plant super easy. Young Link is another one that rocks his socks.

I would put Plant in the noobstomper category along with K Rool and Dedede, though. It's just a matter of adjusting your play in subtle ways against these characters.

radicalwookie · Feb 8, 2019

Xzi said:
Why? He gets reamed by any character with a decent amount of range in their kit. I main Samus so that makes the plant super easy. Young Link is another one that rocks his socks.

I would put Plant in the noobstomper category along with K Rool and Dedede, though. It's just a matter of adjusting your play in subtle ways against these characters.

I wouldnt say it's in the tier with King K Rool and big D but it's not THAT overpowered. It's a very strong char if played right but I personally still give the crown to Pichu ^^
That boi is just insane.

The Real Jdbye said:
Please. Go back to Melee.

Jokes on you. I started playing Smash with 3ds

And no matter how you turn this, playing with items competitively is stupid. Its not a matter of skill, its a complete RNG. If item spawns near you, you get completely OP and can uninstall the opponent. I honestly dont understand who thought this was a smart move.

Wrathalos · Feb 8, 2019

The Real Jdbye said:
Why? Variety is good.

Please. Go back to Melee.

This guy has the right idea. The point of these official competitions isn't so that hardcore players can flaunt their e-peen. It's not supposed to be serious, it's supposed to be fun, and it's supposed to lure new players into the series. Serious players mostly don't care about any other Smash than Melee anyways.
Smash has always been about having fun foremost, it's never been meant to be a serious fighting game for hardcore gamers. I think some people have forgotten how to have fun and are just playing for the sake of being the very best.

Serious players do care about the newest Smash thank you very much; And it's not even about serious play, it's not fun to spectate or be involved in a match that has one player chasing the person with 1 kill for 6 more minutes because of an obvious skill gap. The general tournament rules (not these rules) that have been in place the last several years are there for a reason, it's to make it an enjoyable competitive experience for players and spectators alike. I'll stick to going to my local tournament place where I can actually have fun without item spam, unbalanced stages, and no time limit. It's going to be a joke in PAX East.

Xzi · Feb 8, 2019

radicalwookie said:
I wouldnt say it's in the tier with King K Rool and big D but it's not THAT overpowered. It's a very strong char if played right but I personally still give the crown to Pichu ^^
That boi is just insane.

If it's a tier list based on potential and ease of use, I'd probably put all three in different tiers. Just saying that they share the noobstomper quality in that they're hard to deal with if you haven't played against them a fair amount. Then at some point everything suddenly clicks and it just becomes a lot easier to beat them.

As a well-known tip I recommend everyone set C-stick to tilt attacks and L/ZL to jump. Makes short-hop attacks, tilt attacks, and air attacks so much easier to execute, and it'll make a big improvement in your play after getting used to it.

The Real Jdbye · Feb 9, 2019

Wrathalos said:
Serious players do care about the newest Smash thank you very much; And it's not even about serious play, it's not fun to spectate or be involved in a match that has one player chasing the person with 1 kill for 6 more minutes because of an obvious skill gap. The general tournament rules (not these rules) that have been in place the last several years are there for a reason, it's to make it an enjoyable competitive experience for players and spectators alike. I'll stick to going to my local tournament place where I can actually have fun without item spam, unbalanced stages, and no time limit. It's going to be a joke in PAX East.

Everything you said is correct and proves why allowing more stages and allowing items is a good thing. Having 4 or 5 stages that are all the same and with items completely banned is exactly what causes one person to chase around everyone else.

radicalwookie said:
I wouldnt say it's in the tier with King K Rool and big D but it's not THAT overpowered. It's a very strong char if played right but I personally still give the crown to Pichu ^^
That boi is just insane.

Jokes on you. I started playing Smash with 3ds
And no matter how you turn this, playing with items competitively is stupid. Its not a matter of skill, its a complete RNG. If item spawns near you, you get completely OP and can uninstall the opponent. I honestly dont understand who thought this was a smart move.

What's the problem with items being RNG? It's not about the items, it's about how you use them. You can't just pick up an item and automatically win. Some items give you a big advantage, and I'm not saying those shouldn't be banned, some of them are just broken. But banning items as a whole is just taking all the fun out of Smash IMO.

Vorde · Feb 9, 2019

The Real Jdbye said:
Everything you said is correct and proves why allowing more stages and allowing items is a good thing. Having 4 or 5 stages that are all the same and with items completely banned is exactly what causes one person to chase around everyone else.

What's the problem with items being RNG? It's not about the items, it's about how you use them. You can't just pick up an item and automatically win. Some items give you a big advantage, and I'm not saying those shouldn't be banned, some of them are just broken. But banning items as a whole is just taking all the fun out of Smash IMO.

If you're being competitive about the game and money is involved, then leaving items in is just allowing RNG interfere with these things.
Then again I'm mainly a Melee player so what do I know

Xzi · Feb 9, 2019

The Real Jdbye said:
What's the problem with items being RNG? It's not about the items, it's about how you use them. You can't just pick up an item and automatically win. Some items give you a big advantage, and I'm not saying those shouldn't be banned, some of them are just broken. But banning items as a whole is just taking all the fun out of Smash IMO.

We're talking about competitive play here. On the high end, these are players that can combo you from 0% to KO. Items just become an annoyance at that point and get in the way of true skill shining through. Any RNG is always going to be detrimental to the competitive aspects of a game. On the casual side it's just fine.

Jonna · Feb 9, 2019

Monado_III said:
but several of those are extremely bad ideas that lead to very boring gameplay, timed battles mean that camping is rewarded as once you get a lead, killing time by camping and running away is a really, really strong strategy. I wouldn't be surprised if most people win just from, one or two kills.

Wait, that's why I use time instead of stock. Having time means if you camp, you don't get anything and you have to get involved in the action to start getting KO's. Being on stock means you can camp at the side, wait for every one else to battle among themselves until there's only one person and then go after them. If you're bad at the game, it won't matter since they probably have 1 stock left after battling and you have all stock, so you'll eventually defeat them before they have a chance to defeat you.

The Real Jdbye · Feb 9, 2019

Xzi said:
We're talking about competitive play here. On the high end, these are players that can combo you from 0% to KO. Items just become an annoyance at that point and get in the way of true skill shining through. Any RNG is always going to be detrimental to the competitive aspects of a game. On the casual side it's just fine.

I hate the idea that competitive play means banning fun. It shouldn't be that way and it's why I've grown to resent the Melee community.
And before you tell me, "that's not true", have you seen how many Melee stages are banned from competitive play? Can you explain why every single one is banned? Anything that's not a flat stage or a flat stage with a couple platforms in the air is automatically banned.

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