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Hacking Discussion Why UniversedoorNX is not okay in any form + Poll
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Basically, their reasoning seems to be: "If people were dumb enough to buy an SX OS license, when they could have chosen a free CFW, then they're probably too dumb to find warez on their own. Let's provide it to them for a monthly fee." It's kind of insulting to their user base. 
I would be surprised if this takes off. People are not gonna subscribe, and Nintendo will shut them down pretty quickly too. Don't waste $25 on this (won't last more than a month).
I would be surprised if this takes off. People are not gonna subscribe, and Nintendo will shut them down pretty quickly too. Don't waste $25 on this (won't last more than a month).In 20 years, that piracy server will be long gone too. What will still be around? The scene releases. That's what truly preserves current games for future generations.
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Yeah I think they're going to get shut down hard and fast. sxOS can survive because piracy is not officially endorsed, and the mod can do so much more. This seems like blatantly endorsing piracy.
No, it's working in conjunction with it. SX Installer is a rebranded version of DZ (tinfoil) since the dev sold out to them. they have the source code and would be working with it to make this product
most likely get HATE but i don't care , this what i don't get with these types of post are the OP's after fanboy love a V-PAT on the back, a good 90% of people here are here due to the fact of what you can do with your switch "backups" homebrew is cool but it is the backups we wanting the most, It is the same type of fanboys giving hate to SXOS pro because it is not free, back in the PSX days you had to pay for your modchip and some guy/girl to install it , yes yes some people can make there own and install it them self's, that's only like 10% of players.
Backups have been around on all video game systems even way back on the A2600 and the C64 , the C64 one of the best selling computers in the WORLD EVER , which is in thanks to backups and the same goes for the PSX and PS2 and the DS and the PS3 hell anyone remember the xbox and the xbox360 and the "modchips" or flashing you had to pay for strange no one seam to cry about that
"supporting the company and developers that made that AAA software" umm sicen when to business need support , they not a chairty or disabled association or a local sporting club they a business, who pay there works every 2 weeks or monthly depending on their payroll, it like when people say support local business, why they are a business, they need to make it worth my while for me to spend my money their, if they need support any business needs support they should not be in business, same goes for game company that make games , at the end of the they are a business , and i don't get "how they are losing money" piracy is the potential loss of a sale a "potential" loss ie if a copy is made it is extra copy not made by them ie if i buy the cart take it home the store has not lost a sale , they have my money i have the game , the game company has not lost a sale , they already have there money before i even walked into the shop to buy it , they got there money for the game from the shop , so the shop could sell it for more they what they paid for it, that's the just the way it works, so if a store buys 10 copy's of a game and sells 9, 1 copy gets damaged when they opened the box and gets written off, now the game company sold 10 copy's got pad for for 10 copy's for them all there paper works books and data sales wise matches up, nothing is missing or unaccounted for , so NO LOSS, now to the store got 10 copy's of the game , paid the game company for the 10 copy's of the game opened the box damaged 1 copy which is written off and covered by insurance the store puts 9 copy's on the shelf for more money they the paid for in the first place,all 9 copy's of the game sell,all there paper works books and data sales wise matches up, nothing is missing or unaccounted for. so NO LOSS everything is accounted for , now i go home and have a play of the game and my friend goes hay make me copy i go sure, now there is a EXTRA copy a "potential loss" of a sale ,not a real loss of a sale. A real loss of a sale would be store buys 10 copy's puts 10 copy's on the shelf at the end of the day check sales , see they sold 9 copy's one is missing because little jimmy who works there put it in his pocket when no one was looking , now that is a real loss a real theft , Nintendo has made more money on the switch then they did on the Wii a shit loads more Nintendo is very happy .
the video game industry is more successful than film and music put together. so this whole supporting the company and developers that made that AAA software line is bit over used here , by the looks of it Hollywood and the music sales need it , so stop trying to gets V-high fives and V-pats on the backs , one can not live with out the other
like i said i will most likely get hate, but I don't care
Backups have been around on all video game systems even way back on the A2600 and the C64 , the C64 one of the best selling computers in the WORLD EVER , which is in thanks to backups and the same goes for the PSX and PS2 and the DS and the PS3 hell anyone remember the xbox and the xbox360 and the "modchips" or flashing you had to pay for strange no one seam to cry about that
"supporting the company and developers that made that AAA software" umm sicen when to business need support , they not a chairty or disabled association or a local sporting club they a business, who pay there works every 2 weeks or monthly depending on their payroll, it like when people say support local business, why they are a business, they need to make it worth my while for me to spend my money their, if they need support any business needs support they should not be in business, same goes for game company that make games , at the end of the they are a business , and i don't get "how they are losing money" piracy is the potential loss of a sale a "potential" loss ie if a copy is made it is extra copy not made by them ie if i buy the cart take it home the store has not lost a sale , they have my money i have the game , the game company has not lost a sale , they already have there money before i even walked into the shop to buy it , they got there money for the game from the shop , so the shop could sell it for more they what they paid for it, that's the just the way it works, so if a store buys 10 copy's of a game and sells 9, 1 copy gets damaged when they opened the box and gets written off, now the game company sold 10 copy's got pad for for 10 copy's for them all there paper works books and data sales wise matches up, nothing is missing or unaccounted for , so NO LOSS, now to the store got 10 copy's of the game , paid the game company for the 10 copy's of the game opened the box damaged 1 copy which is written off and covered by insurance the store puts 9 copy's on the shelf for more money they the paid for in the first place,all 9 copy's of the game sell,all there paper works books and data sales wise matches up, nothing is missing or unaccounted for. so NO LOSS everything is accounted for , now i go home and have a play of the game and my friend goes hay make me copy i go sure, now there is a EXTRA copy a "potential loss" of a sale ,not a real loss of a sale. A real loss of a sale would be store buys 10 copy's puts 10 copy's on the shelf at the end of the day check sales , see they sold 9 copy's one is missing because little jimmy who works there put it in his pocket when no one was looking , now that is a real loss a real theft , Nintendo has made more money on the switch then they did on the Wii a shit loads more Nintendo is very happy .
the video game industry is more successful than film and music put together. so this whole supporting the company and developers that made that AAA software line is bit over used here , by the looks of it Hollywood and the music sales need it , so stop trying to gets V-high fives and V-pats on the backs , one can not live with out the other
like i said i will most likely get hate, but I don't care
There's been this guy @StormSilver who claimed knowing someone who knows someone's aunt who tested this and was convinced this was directly downloading from CDN. I know there's still ways to do that, just not with the public certs and the ways we were used to, but I also do not think that this grabs directly from CDN since how would that be possible with a banned Switch (which the tool also works on, according to the team). I also think that's just downloading from their own servers.
I don't really know if this is really more harmful to indie devs than the fact that everyone can score some NSPs from certain Discord servers for free.
I mean the only benefit of this service is that those lazy fellas out there won't have to go the exhausting way of downloading NSPs manually and installing them via USB install (oh my, this is so hard to do).
While I don't want to turn this into another piracy discussion in general, I have to add that I think more ppl would actually buy games officially if they could play them online. That's why banning all who use pirated games might look like a good punishment for pirates but I guess even pirates would at least pay for the few games they want to play online and thus even subscribe to Ninty's online service.
And I doubt that
(this doesn't include people at all who generally are completely fine with staying away from hacks and buying their games legally)
What I'm trying to say: Nintendo did a good security job on the Switch by checking a game's header and other stuff when a player tries to play online so it's not possible to play online with pirated games like it was on the Wii/Wii U/3DS.
But by banning ppl completely they miss on incomings some pirate would generate by at least buying the few games they want to play online and those incomings are still better than nothing and they are not rewarding pirates for being pirates as pirates would still have to buy those games legally.
Still they would lose all incomings from offline only games (like Zelda) though.
I'm not crying about Ninty banning ppl and I don't think Ninty is even reading my post or thinking about it (in fact they already kept all those things in mind and made their decision anyway). Just wanted to point that out.
I mean the only benefit of this service is that those lazy fellas out there won't have to go the exhausting way of downloading NSPs manually and installing them via USB install (oh my, this is so hard to do).
While I don't want to turn this into another piracy discussion in general, I have to add that I think more ppl would actually buy games officially if they could play them online. That's why banning all who use pirated games might look like a good punishment for pirates but I guess even pirates would at least pay for the few games they want to play online and thus even subscribe to Ninty's online service.
And I doubt that
- earnings from sold games with online multiplayer and online service subscriptions by pirates
would be smaller than
- earnings from people who buy all kind of games they would have pirated otherwise but afraid to use any hacks to not get banned
(this doesn't include people at all who generally are completely fine with staying away from hacks and buying their games legally)
What I'm trying to say: Nintendo did a good security job on the Switch by checking a game's header and other stuff when a player tries to play online so it's not possible to play online with pirated games like it was on the Wii/Wii U/3DS.
But by banning ppl completely they miss on incomings some pirate would generate by at least buying the few games they want to play online and those incomings are still better than nothing and they are not rewarding pirates for being pirates as pirates would still have to buy those games legally.
Still they would lose all incomings from offline only games (like Zelda) though.
I'm not crying about Ninty banning ppl and I don't think Ninty is even reading my post or thinking about it (in fact they already kept all those things in mind and made their decision anyway). Just wanted to point that out.
Very true I had never heard of it before but now I'm interested to find out
Edit: not because I would use it, just out of curiosity!
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Huh. Didn't we have a stickied thread last week that prohibited discussing it? Now it's allowed and said thread gone.
@fixingmytoys
Except that you paid for a real, physical device instead of software. If a modchip is needed fine. Then the money is justified. But if you can archive the exact same using software only it's a waste of time and money (buying devices like dongles for convenience is another story and somewhat justified too). SX OS is paid software used to pirate other software and on top of that it violates licenses itself. It can't get more ironic than that. Paying for piracy with free alternatives available defeats the whole purpose of piracy.
Except that you paid for a real, physical device instead of software. If a modchip is needed fine. Then the money is justified. But if you can archive the exact same using software only it's a waste of time and money (buying devices like dongles for convenience is another story and somewhat justified too). SX OS is paid software used to pirate other software and on top of that it violates licenses itself. It can't get more ironic than that. Paying for piracy with free alternatives available defeats the whole purpose of piracy.
Yes this is morally and ethically wrong, I think anyone that was going to purchase this already knows that and they probably don't care. The argument that it's $25 a month and you should just buy games instead doesn't make sense, if they can afford to spend $25 a month on games then they're going to be able to buy 1 AAA title every 2 months, of course this service is going to make sense for them.
I hope anyone that pays for this uses a virtual credit card service, I wouldn't feel safe having my information saved for the subscription. I wonder where they'll have their servers hosted to avoid being taken down.
I hope anyone that pays for this uses a virtual credit card service, I wouldn't feel safe having my information saved for the subscription. I wonder where they'll have their servers hosted to avoid being taken down.
You're probably right, and as you were saying, Nintendo has possibly considered this, but at the end of the day, an online player who is known to use a homebrewed console is a potential hacker/cheater for those online games. Nintendo probably reasoned "Why deal with these pests? Let's ban them altogether." Probably a good decision down the line, as it makes the online gaming experience more fun for their certified legit users.
Ah yeah, completely forgot about that "cheating in online games" thing. You're right.
Didn't understand why anyone would do such things though but I guess it's better for the masses if Ninty blocks those out.
Paying for SX OS is currently the only way to confine all hacking and piracy to emunand and keep the sysnand clean for playing legit online, something everyone seems to forget when making this terrible argument.
Yeah and this kind of shit is just a blight on the scene, hindering the cats doing the real preservation work. All these motherfuckers care about is extracting money from our wallets, there's zero altruism here.Basically, their reasoning seems to be: "If people were dumb enough to buy an SX OS license, when they could have chosen a free CFW, then they're probably too dumb to find warez on their own. Let's provide it to them for a monthly fee." It's kind of insulting to their user base.
In 20 years, that piracy server will be long gone too. What will still be around? The scene releases. That's what truly preserves current games for future generations.
