Democrats vow to probe BuzzFeed report Trump directed Michael Cohen to lie to Congress

210modz · Jan 19, 2019

Xzi said:
Only problem is that mine's a political analysis piece and you're the one who posted an opinion piece. Which is pretty sad being that Fox News will report any unsubstantiated claim as news instead of opinion.

Except for your link is full of journalist opinions. Journalist vs election commissioner. Hmmmmmmmm..........

Xzi · Jan 19, 2019

210modz said:
Except for your is full of journalist opinions. Journalist vs election commissioner. Hmmmmmmmm..........

It's more like Trump's personal attorney vs. Trump. You can read or watch Cohen's testimony without any outside input. He's the one implicating Trump in this, not a journalist. This is all old news and cemented as fact, although I'm sure it will be brought up again in the final Mueller report.

210modz · Jan 19, 2019

Xzi said:
It's more like Trump's personal attorney vs. Trump. You can read or watch Cohen's testimony without any outside input. He's the one implicating Trump in this, not a journalist. This is all old news and cemented as fact, although I'm sure it will be brought up again in the final Mueller report.

It's a article full of opinions. Someone under investigation pointing the finger at someone else isn't damning evidence. It's what people do to try to get themself out of trouble. You must have never seen a police interrogation. Also the dummy plead guilty to something he could have fought because it wasn't a crime as the former election commissioner said. Cohen is in deep shit for tax evasion of course he has plenty of motive to lie and try to help his own situation.

coolfuze · Jan 19, 2019

I don't often comment on these kind of articles but this story has already been debunked. Sorry OP but this like everything else is a big nothing burger.

Xzi · Jan 19, 2019

210modz said:
It's a article full of opinions. Someone under investigation pointing the finger at someone else isn't damning evidence. It's what people do to try to get themself out of trouble. You must have never seen a police interrogation. Also the dummy plead guilty to something he could have fought because it wasn't a crime as the former election commissioner said. Cohen is in deep shit for tax evasion of course he has plenty of motive to lie and try to help his own situation.

This back and forth is just not worth my time at this point. He was Trump's personal lawyer/fixer. Pretending anything he's been convicted of wasn't at least tangentially connected to Trump is disingenuous to say the least. Investigating the extent to which Trump and his family were personally involved with things like hush payments and the Moscow Trump Tower falls under Mueller's jurisdiction, and I think it's reasonable to expect we'll see more indictments on that front before the final report.

210modz · Jan 19, 2019

Xzi said:
This back and forth is just not worth my time. He was Trump's personal lawyer/fixer. Pretending anything he's been convicted of wasn't somehow at least tangentially connected to Trump is disingenuous to say the least. Investigating the extent to which Trump and his family were personally involved with things like hush payments and the Moscow Trump Tower falls under Mueller's jurisdiction, and I think it's reasonable to expect we'll see more indictments on that front.

When all else fails just go with the "there just has to be" route. Pretending like you pointed out any facts is laughable. Trying to say I don't want to talk about it no more here are some more "facts" is even funnier. I'll be back to laugh at you some more when you join into the next "we got him this time" thread that also becomes just more proven media lies. :rofl2:

Whole lotta love · Jan 19, 2019

This thread is a dumpster fire.

coolfuze · Jan 19, 2019

Whole lotta love said:
This thread is a dumpster fire.

Any thread involving religion or politics usually is.

Xzi · Jan 19, 2019

210modz said:
When all else fails just go with the "there just has to be" route. Pretending like you pointed out any facts is laughable. Trying to say I don't want to talk about it no more here are some more "facts" is even funnier. I'll be back to laugh at you some more when you join into the next "we got him this time" thread that also becomes just more proven media lies.

This is why it's never worth having a discussion with a Trump supporter. They reject all facts and nuance, and say shit so mind-bendingly stupid that everybody else who was involved in the discussion leaves it dumber than when they started.

But hey, congratulations on getting the last word in. I knew you would be compelled to.

kuwanger · Jan 19, 2019

210modz said:
Someone under investigation pointing the finger at someone else isn't damning evidence. It's what people do to try to get themself out of trouble. You must have never seen a police interrogation.

That holds true whether Cohen is defending or implicating Trump. it's true for any lawyer, any criminal, and any innocent person. I agree that the word of a person is rarely damning--usually only confessions or words that lead to physical evidence would count. Yet it's absurd to argue that you can't trust or shouldn't at least reasonably investigate the words that come out of a police interrogation. If everything said is always lies, then all police interrogations are worthless. Take what is said with the thought they may be lies, don't simply believe, but also do not dismiss. To do so is simply foolish.

Xzi · Jan 19, 2019

kuwanger said:
That holds true whether Cohen is defending or implicating Trump. it's true for any lawyer, any criminal, and any innocent person. I agree that the word of a person is rarely damning--usually only confessions or words that lead to physical evidence would count. Yet it's absurd to argue that you can't trust or shouldn't at least reasonably investigate the words that come out of a police interrogation. If everything said is always lies, then all police interrogations are worthless. Take what is said with the thought they may be lies, don't simply believe, but also do not dismiss. To do so is simply foolish.

Again I have to point out that Cohen's office was raided by the FBI long before he plead guilty to anything. There would be no logical reason for Cohen to plead guilty to charges that couldn't possibly be proven through evidence obtained in the raid.

Obviously we don't have the evidence of Trump's involvement in the public's hands yet, but that's standard procedure. The memo detailing how Manafort broke his plea deal had just under two hundred pages of evidence. The fantasy that Mueller holds no evidence on Trump personally is just that: a fantasy. They didn't start referring to Trump as 'Individual-1' in legal documents for nothing, he's currently the subject of several investigations.

kuwanger · Jan 19, 2019

Xzi said:
Again I have to point out that Cohen's office was raided by the FBI long before he plead guilty to anything. There would be no logical reason for Cohen to plead guilty to charges that couldn't possibly be proven through evidence obtained in the raid.

I disagree with none of this, but I am very hesitant to use a guilty plea to infer what actual evidence exists or simply believe the words of a guilty person because he pleads guilt or innocence on certain things. I cautiously await the evidence itself. Governments frequently lie or mislead and use/let pawns to do what they cannot. I mean, just the fact that Mueller's team commented at all--which like Comey's remarks in 2016 right before the election--shows their true interest at this time is to control the narrative. Whether that's high-minded seeking justice or self-serving duplicity? Only time and evidence will tell.

SG854 · Jan 19, 2019

StarGazerTom said:
They keep saying that they have a smoking gun. Over and over and over again, but still nothing.

It's high time they either put up or shut up, because at this point it's fucking pathetic that they keep whining that Trump won.

Anyone who doesn't blindly follow liberalism is sick to death of this shite, and will actively vote against the Dems just to spite them, so again:

Put up or shut up.

It’s fake news again.

How many times are they going to cry wolf. They fired reporters for posting fake news about Trump Russia collusion before, what’s gunna make this time any different.

Xzi · Jan 19, 2019

kuwanger said:
I disagree with none of this, but I am very hesitant to use a guilty plea to infer what actual evidence exists or simply believe the words of a guilty person because he pleads guilt or innocence on certain things. I cautiously await the evidence itself. Governments frequently lie or mislead and use/let pawns to do what they cannot. I mean, just the fact that Mueller's team commented at all--which like Comey's remarks in 2016 right before the election--shows their true interest at this time is to control the narrative. Whether that's high-minded seeking justice or self-serving duplicity? Only time and evidence will tell.

I agree that the statement was released in order to control the narrative. The SCO was probably surprised at how much frenzy there was over the one Buzzfeed story, and decided they needed to get out ahead of it. The statement was also made to essentially affirm that it wasn't Mueller's office leaking info.

I don't think Mueller has it in him to be self-serving or duplicitous, and there's really nothing to be gained for him by acting in that manner. This is only a temporary assignment for him until the last conviction drops, after all.

kuwanger · Jan 19, 2019

Xzi said:
I don't think Mueller has it in him to be self-serving or duplicitous, and there's really nothing to be gained for him by acting in that manner. This is only a temporary assignment for him until the last conviction drops, after all.

I don't know Mueller personally, so I can't say. I would say that most people have their own agenda, and that agenda colors how they do things. Whether that translates into other people seeing his actions as self-serving, duplicitous, virtuous, or justice seeking also stems in part from their own agenda. Having said that, I'd tend to believe that few career professionals don't in some fashion want to do their job in a fashion that leaves open the potential for more opportunities either in that field or related ones. That's basically my skepticism/cynicism that always leaves me a bit cautious.

Xzi · Jan 19, 2019

kuwanger said:
I don't know Mueller personally, so I can't say. I would say that most people have their own agenda, and that agenda colors how they do things. Whether that translates into other people seeing his actions as self-serving, duplicitous, virtuous, or justice seeking also stems in part from their own agenda. Having said that, I'd tend to believe that few career professionals don't in some fashion want to do their job in a fashion that leaves open the potential for more opportunities either in that field or related ones. That's basically my skepticism/cynicism that always leaves me a bit cautious.

Mueller has a been a public servant in some capacity nearly his entire life. He graduated Princeton, joined the Marines and fought in Vietnam, was the director of the FBI for twelve years, and then became a high-powered prosecutor. Mueller also helped bring down and convict the mafia empire of "Teflon Don" John Gotti.

Fun little factoid: Mueller wears his watch facing to the inside of his wrist, a habit he picked up in the Marines to keep the glare from attracting enemy sniper attention.

SG854 · Jan 19, 2019

Hey guys we have the smoking gun!

We found Vodka made from Russia in Donald Trumps trash can!

Xzi · Jan 19, 2019

SG854 said:
Hey guys we have the smoking gun!

We found Vodka made from Russia in Donald Trumps trash can!

Did it come in the same box Melania was shipped in?

SG854 · Jan 19, 2019

Xzi said:
Did it come in the same box Melania was shipped in?

Yes

Xzi · Jan 19, 2019

SG854 said:
Yes

Honestly I don't know why Trump didn't just order the three pack in the first place, ended up going through three of em anyway.

Seriously though, Trump just gave another speech about the "need" for a wall. It was about as rational and subdued as Trump gets, but he didn't really say anything new. It was essentially the same speech he gave during prime time, so I don't see it helping to end the stalemate.

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