Democrats vow to probe BuzzFeed report Trump directed Michael Cohen to lie to Congress

chrisrlink · Jan 18, 2019

so I posted an article first (without being ninja'd) and it goes to hell blows up in my face I just can't win for once I'm the laughing stock of gbatemp now wtg guys

Xzi · Jan 18, 2019

chrisrlink said:
so I posted an article first (without being ninja'd) and it goes to hell blows up in my face I just can't win for once I'm the laughing stock of gbatemp now wtg guys

Don't worry about it, it's an important breaking story. Some people just can't handle the truth coming to light because of a sunk cost fallacy. Soon enough we'll discover just how far they're willing to go down with the ship, so to speak.

supermist · Jan 19, 2019

Xzi said:
Don't worry about it, it's an important breaking story. Some people just can't handle the truth coming to light because of a sunk cost fallacy. Soon enough we'll discover just how far they're willing to go down with the ship, so to speak.

A couple of em here already dug their heels in.

Joe88 · Jan 19, 2019

The mueller special counsel just said the report is fake news more or less
https://www.axios.com/muellers-inve...tter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=limstream

and they pretty much never say anything on news articles and such
This is why buzzfeed is such a steaming pile of garbage and should never be considered a legitimate "news" outlet, they have and always will be in the market of manufacturing click bait fake news articles to get ad revenue

Xzi · Jan 19, 2019

Joe88 said:
The mueller special counsel just said the report is fake news more or less
https://www.axios.com/muellers-inve...tter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=limstream

and they pretty much never say anything on news articles and such
This is why buzzfeed is such a steaming pile of garbage and should never be considered a legitimate "news" outlet, they have and always will be in the market of manufacturing click bait fake news articles to get ad revenue

They didn't even deny the story though, only stated that specific statements and testimony reported within the story are not accurate.

It is interesting that they would make a statement on this at all though. Maybe we are finally getting close to a conclusion.

210modz · Jan 19, 2019

It got super quite in here all of a sudden. Bwahahhahahaha.

Xzi · Jan 19, 2019

210modz said:
It got super quite in here all of a sudden. Bwahahhahahaha.

What else is there to say? I trust Mueller will have all the facts laid out in his report, and again this wasn't an outright denial of the core story. Additionally, I'm glad that Republicans are seemingly now willing to admit that Mueller's word is credible.

As of now, Buzzfeed is sticking by the story and they're asking for clarification on the Special Counsel's statement. They don't see an outright denial in the statement either, but rather just lawyer speak used to avoid details in a potentially ongoing investigative matter.

210modz · Jan 19, 2019

Xzi said:
What else is there to say? I trust Mueller will have all the facts laid out in his report, and again this wasn't an outright denial of the core story. Additionally, I'm glad that Republicans are seemingly now willing to admit that Mueller's word is credible.

As of now, Buzzfeed is sticking by the story and they're asking for clarification on the Special Counsel's statement. They don't see an outright denial in the statement either, but rather just lawyer speak used to avoid details in a potentially ongoing investigative matter.

Your attitude sure has improved. :rofl2:

Xzi · Jan 19, 2019

210modz said:
Your attitude sure has improved.

If you say so. Trump is still a scum-sucking traitor, but I'm not going to keep relying on potentially false information just because it backs my "team." I'll leave that to the fact-free zone which is the GOP.

210modz · Jan 19, 2019

Xzi said:
If you say so. Trump is still a scum-sucking traitor, but I'm not going to keep relying on potentially false information just because it backs my "team." I'll leave that to the fact-free zone which is the GOP.

You been arguing using a article that wasn't factual all day. You call him a traitor with 0 facts. He just makes your little pussy sore because the TV told you he does. Please tell me more about the fact-free zone.

Xzi · Jan 19, 2019

210modz said:
You been arguing using a article that wasn't factual all day. You call him a traitor with 0 facts. He just makes your little pussy sore because the TV told you he does. Please tell me more about the fact-free zone.

My argument was that this is the tip of the iceberg. That's despite the fact that Trump is already implicated in multiple campaign finance felonies, Manafort is known to have given Trump campaign polling data to Russian intelligence (I'm betting we'll find out later it was at the direction of Trump), and 37 indictments with 7 convictions have been corralled by the Mueller investigation (so far). That's not even including all the shit Trump has said publicly which one would reasonably assume might constitute obstruction or witness tampering.

As usual, the man with all the evidence is Mueller. It feels like the full report might be coming soon, by end of February, but I can't say for certain. Nobody can. The man holds his cards close to his chest.

Credit: OriginalUsernameDNS on Reddit

210modz · Jan 19, 2019

Xzi said:
My argument was that this is the tip of the iceberg. That's despite the fact that Trump is already implicated in multiple campaign finance felonies, Manafort is known to have given Trump campaign polling data to Russian intelligence (I'm betting we'll find out later it was at the direction of Trump), and 37 indictments with 7 convictions have been corralled by the Mueller investigation (so far). That's not even including all the shit Trump has said publicly which one would reasonably assume might constitute obstruction or witness tampering.

As usual, the man with all the evidence is Mueller. It feels like the full report might be coming soon, by end of February, but I can't say for certain. Nobody can. The man holds his cards close to his chest.

Credit: OriginalUsernameDNS on Reddit

I don't need to read anything past "campaign finance felonies". There's no such thing so you obviously don't have anything else of value to read. I'll be back to laugh at you more tomorrow after trumps announcement.

Xzi · Jan 19, 2019

210modz said:
I don't need to read anything past "campaign finance felonies". There's no such thing so you obviously don't have anything else of value to read. I'll be back to laugh at you more tomorrow after trumps announcement.

Campaign finance violations greater than a certain dollar amount are felonies. Cohen was charged with felonies and plead guilty to them, implicating Trump in the process. Obviously you don't read much factual news. If you read news at all.

Oh, and Trump can't possibly announce anything important tomorrow. Most meaningful move he could make is to declare a state of emergency, but all that would serve to do is add another crime to the list and guarantee a loss for him in 2020. Taking money from disaster relief and the military to fund a vanity project would not play well with any demographic.

210modz · Jan 19, 2019

Xzi said:
Campaign finance violations greater than a certain dollar amount are felonies, you dipshit. Cohen was charged with felonies and plead guilty to them, implicating Trump in the process. Obviously you don't read much factual news. If you read news at all.

Oh, and Trump can't possibly announce anything important tomorrow. Most meaningful move he could make is to declare a state of emergency, but all that would serve to do is add another crime to the list and guarantee a loss for him in 2020. Taking money from disaster relief and the military to fund a vanity project would not play well with any demographic.

They got to prove that the payment was made to effect the election. They have to prove that he hasn't paid off women to not talk before he was president and that it's not a normal thing he does. Therefore no campaign finance felonies exist with Trump. Your talking once again using the "facts" that aren't proven. What he does in his personal life has nothing to do with how he runs the country :rofl2:

WeedZ · Jan 19, 2019

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Xzi · Jan 19, 2019

210modz said:
They got to prove that the payment was made to effect the election.

Wrong again. It's automatically a campaign finance violation if it's a payment over a certain dollar amount made to anybody for any reason, if it goes unreported. Let alone a payment made for the purpose of silencing a pornstar from coming forward with a story during the campaign. Again, Mueller has the evidence, and there's a reason Cohen plead guilty to all of this. He knew that what was obtained from the raid on his office could be used to prove it.

210modz · Jan 19, 2019

Xzi said:
Wrong again. It's automatically a campaign finance violation if it's a payment over a certain dollar amount made to anybody for any reason, if it goes unreported. Let alone a payment made for the purpose of silencing a pornstar from coming forward with a story during the campaign. Again, Mueller has the evidence, and there's a reason Cohen plead guilty to all of this. He knew that what was obtained from the raid on his office could be used to prove it.

Wrong again. You might want to do some research before you spread your "facts". Just because it looks good to you when you type it doesn't make it true. It just makes it another one of your "facts".

Xzi · Jan 19, 2019

210modz said:
Wrong again. You might want to do some research before you spread your "facts". Just because it looks good to you when you type it doesn't make it true. It just makes it another one of your "facts".

I know you'll cry 'fake news' anyway, but fuck it, one source of hundreds:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...inance-law-violations/?utm_term=.c624408630f4

WaPo said:
Late Friday, the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York filed a document arguing that Michael Cohen, until last year President Trump’s personal attorney, should receive a substantial prison sentence for violations of federal law to which Cohen admitted guilt in August.

The document went further than simply articulating the punishment the government believes Cohen should receive. It also fleshed out two of those charges in particular, related to violations of campaign finance laws in 2016. For the first time, government prosecutors themselves directly implicated Trump in those violations — and added new alleged evidence to bolster Cohen’s culpability.

At issue are the payments to two women who alleged sexual relationships with Trump before his running for president. In August 2016, Playboy model Karen McDougal reached an agreement with American Media Inc., publishers of the National Enquirer, that ensured she wouldn’t share her story about a lengthy relationship she’d engaged in with Trump. In October of that year, adult film actress Stormy Daniels received $130,000 to similarly stay quiet about a liaison that had occurred a decade before.

Both of those agreements were facilitated by Cohen, as he admitted in court in August. Since Cohen was an agent of the Trump campaign — Cohen was a public surrogate on its behalf and, the Friday filing notes, had a campaign email address — neither payment could be considered an expenditure independent of the campaign but were, instead, campaign contributions in excess of federal limits. That one payment came from AMI meant that Cohen had solicited an illegal corporate contribution as well. Cohen pleaded guilty to two campaign-finance-related charges in August, saying in court that he’d undertaken the actions at Trump’s behest.

In other words, any member of the Trump campaign making unreported payments of similarly high amounts, for any reason, would've been convicted of the same campaign finance violations.

210modz · Jan 19, 2019

Xzi said:
I know you'll cry 'fake news' anyway, but fuck it, one source of hundreds:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...inance-law-violations/?utm_term=.c624408630f4

In other words, any member of the Trump campaign making unreported payments of similarly high amounts for any reason would've been convicted of the same campaign finance violations.

Ahhh. A article full of more "facts". Opinions don't make truths. I can find a million articles full of opinions online. That article doesn't help your argument at all. I would say that a former election commissioner would know alot better than Xzi from gbatemp and some journalists.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/for...-trump-didnt-violate-campaign-finance-law.amp

Xzi · Jan 19, 2019

210modz said:
Ahhh. A article full of more "facts". Opinions don't make truths. I can find a million articles full of opinions online. That article doesn't help your argument at all. I would say that a former election commissioner would know alot better than Xzi from gbatemp and some journalists.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/for...-trump-didnt-violate-campaign-finance-law.amp

Only problem is that mine's a political analysis piece and you're the one who posted an opinion piece. Which is pretty sad being that Fox News will report any unsubstantiated claim as news instead of opinion.

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