Liberals tend to abuse the entire "Hate Speech" debacle and try to make it encompass anything that is said that they disagree with. If you support the President of the United States you're a hate speaking racist bigot. If you won't drop your own values and take up their values you're the same thing. However, I wasn't referring to the people that are abusing the terminology. I was referring to actual hate speech.
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Liberals tend to abuse the entire "Hate Speech" debacle and try to make it encompass anything that is said that they disagree with. If you support the President of the United States you're a hate speaking racist bigot. If you won't drop your own values and take up their values you're the same thing. However, I wasn't referring to the people that are abusing the terminology. I was referring to actual hate speech.
Pretty much. We should be able to have differences in politics and such and still get along.
Well, it's a little off topic, but our enemies who wish to see our country destroyed want to divide us. The Liberals are just pawns in the entire game. I feel empathy for them. Hopefully they do not get their way and then have to find out what real oppression is all about. However, using a way to limit our expressions via coining it "hate speech" is just another way to gain more control over the populous. I am not going to fall for it. I don't go around spewing actual hate speech. However, I speak about things that are unpopular and disliked by Liberals and am verbally attacked and abused because of it. How is acting in such a manner towards another person solving the problem? Heck, even if I did participate in actual hate speech the same thing applies. How is treating anyone in such a demeaning manner going to solve anything?
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I guess treating people who think differently like shit for them is a confidence booster? Who would you say our enemy is?
Anyone who wants to abolish our Constitution and way of life and enslave us with their own religion.
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So, a few things to unpack here. First and probably most important: freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence. Besides the obvious examples like yelling fire in a crowded theater or making death threats, you're likely to get your ass beat or banned from local businesses if you're always running your mouth.
We advertise ourselves as having freedom of speech, but in practice it's extremely limited. Freedom of speech does not apply anywhere where private business has authority. Which means everything from social media to your house if it's owned in the majority by a bank.
Certain politicians attack the first amendment near-constantly and without consequence. There have been a number of examples over the years, but it's never been more blatant than today. If you want to protect freedom of speech then you have to call out anyone who is threatening it, regardless of which team they play for.
Hate speech isn't about exercising your own freedoms, it's about infringing on others' freedoms. Pretty self-explanatory here, attacking other people on the basis that they don't belong in this country as much as you do is not cool. Just don't be a piece of shit.
We advertise ourselves as having freedom of speech, but in practice it's extremely limited. Freedom of speech does not apply anywhere where private business has authority. Which means everything from social media to your house if it's owned in the majority by a bank.
Certain politicians attack the first amendment near-constantly and without consequence. There have been a number of examples over the years, but it's never been more blatant than today. If you want to protect freedom of speech then you have to call out anyone who is threatening it, regardless of which team they play for.
Hate speech isn't about exercising your own freedoms, it's about infringing on others' freedoms. Pretty self-explanatory here, attacking other people on the basis that they don't belong in this country as much as you do is not cool. Just don't be a piece of shit.
Many things to be offended by in here already.. 
First I take offense, that "liberals" are using the hate speech argument to censor opposition. Thats insane. I dont know what image you have of "liberals" - but thats definitely wrong.
You have a new left wing congregation (millennials with a safe space complex - trying to safe everyone from themselves and their words) thats famous for currently doing that, but they also get ridiculed by everyone and their mother - and rightfully so (there is pushback).
The issue here was, that all YOUR privately sponsored top 10 universities, just saw "censorship of speech" as a new leftwing political movement, with professors being so afraid to be deplatformed and loosing their cushy jobs, that they didnt speak out against it, and in cases where they did -where punished by university leadership - because in turn, they now where afraid of missing a trend. This all ended with people shouting how very oppressed they were - then dont listening to counter arguments, but retreating in a neighboring room, where morals support animals where waiting for them. And I'm not even joking. Come to think of it, those where liberal arts colleges - but thats really not what liberals are all about. Please give them the benefit of the doubt on that.
Lets list it. You have -
- implemented extensive surveillance of the rest of the world
- managed to reach energy independence, and now want to bully people and sell them your fracking gas on top of it, and on top of still somewhat being the milletary protector state that you always were (in recent history)
- deconstructed your entire media system (NPR aside) to the point where the rest of the democraticed world laughs about your news neworks and rightly so
- brought the world facebook, the advertising agencyeveryone is now supposed to communicate over to get their social scores (instagram ftw.)
- your democrats successfully staged a coup and lost the election for it
- your political export on the left was the afformentioned social justice warriors. Your political export on the right was a populism revival.
- you decided to retreat from the world stage - discarding the imperialist model (the thing where you have your warships alongside every trade route in the world and have everyone pay for oil in them dollars), and become isolationist - but no worries, democrats would have done the same - just slower
- you elected to president, ...
- There was something about wall street and the world economy also - if only I could remember... Something about why millennials will never own a thing in their lives... Something about why europe decided to give out credit based on peoples life savings in banks, which got devalued alongside that (0% interest rates)
Oh, that and that your miletary leadership, never won a war in the last four centuries. Despite starting several. But lets not list that as a negative.
I'm sorry, but that - and complaining that your "outside enimies" want to destroy you - is too much for a gentile soul like me...
Oh, and did I mention that global power dynamics are shifting, already? (Chiiiiiina (spoken with the intonation of your president)) has mounted a 20 year plan (its somewhat public), investing 1000 billion USD into infrastructure projects around the world.
) do.
As do the "facebook style" chatmods, that are never seen participating in any discussion, but censor the heck out of every heated discussion - because - it became so heated.. And thats bad for the advertising business.
Ah - yes, and your "digital giants" are destroying the media systems in the rest of the world, while not paying taxes. Thats fun as well. But when europeans want to tax them the Donald back room staff is all like "tarifs then, tradewar!".
If it werent for hollywood, we would really have to stop loving you at some point, I tell you..
First I take offense, that "liberals" are using the hate speech argument to censor opposition. Thats insane.
I dont know what image you have of "liberals" - but thats definitely wrong.You have a new left wing congregation (millennials with a safe space complex - trying to safe everyone from themselves and their words) thats famous for currently doing that, but they also get ridiculed by everyone and their mother - and rightfully so (there is pushback).
The issue here was, that all YOUR privately sponsored top 10 universities, just saw "censorship of speech" as a new leftwing political movement, with professors being so afraid to be deplatformed and loosing their cushy jobs, that they didnt speak out against it, and in cases where they did -where punished by university leadership - because in turn, they now where afraid of missing a trend. This all ended with people shouting how very oppressed they were - then dont listening to counter arguments, but retreating in a neighboring room, where morals support animals where waiting for them. And I'm not even joking. Come to think of it, those where liberal arts colleges - but thats really not what liberals are all about. Please give them the benefit of the doubt on that.
Thats insanity as well, because your country does the best to destroy itself on its own, yet again.
Lets list it. You have -
- implemented extensive surveillance of the rest of the world
- managed to reach energy independence, and now want to bully people and sell them your fracking gas on top of it, and on top of still somewhat being the milletary protector state that you always were (in recent history)
- deconstructed your entire media system (NPR aside) to the point where the rest of the democraticed world laughs about your news neworks and rightly so
- brought the world facebook, the advertising agencyeveryone is now supposed to communicate over to get their social scores (instagram ftw.)
- your democrats successfully staged a coup and lost the election for it
- your political export on the left was the afformentioned social justice warriors. Your political export on the right was a populism revival.
- you decided to retreat from the world stage - discarding the imperialist model (the thing where you have your warships alongside every trade route in the world and have everyone pay for oil in them dollars), and become isolationist - but no worries, democrats would have done the same - just slower
- you elected to president, ...
- There was something about wall street and the world economy also - if only I could remember... Something about why millennials will never own a thing in their lives... Something about why europe decided to give out credit based on peoples life savings in banks, which got devalued alongside that (0% interest rates)
Oh, that and that your miletary leadership, never won a war in the last four centuries. Despite starting several. But lets not list that as a negative.
I'm sorry, but that - and complaining that your "outside enimies" want to destroy you - is too much for a gentile soul like me...
Oh, and did I mention that global power dynamics are shifting, already? (Chiiiiiina (spoken with the intonation of your president)) has mounted a 20 year plan (its somewhat public), investing 1000 billion USD into infrastructure projects around the world.
And thats entirely wrong as well. Free speech doesnt infringe on others free speech. The squads of police officers with miletary equipment (see, you fought all those wars, now you have this nifty equipment laying around - and gave that to your state police departments, because they asked for it - thats another consequence of having an industrial millitary complex that composes more than a third of your economy..
) do.As do the "facebook style" chatmods, that are never seen participating in any discussion, but censor the heck out of every heated discussion - because - it became so heated.. And thats bad for the advertising business.
Ah - yes, and your "digital giants" are destroying the media systems in the rest of the world, while not paying taxes. Thats fun as well. But when europeans want to tax them the Donald back room staff is all like "tarifs then, tradewar!".
If it werent for hollywood, we would really have to stop loving you at some point, I tell you..
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Horse shit. If you're yelling racial slurs directly at an individual, the purpose is no longer free speech. Your intention is to attack that individual directly and infringe on their ability to express their first amendment rights. Your intention is to make that person feel less than human, and thus no longer have constitutional rights at all.
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Yes, but then nobody really was.
I mean - before people around the world thought, that bringing back "populism" was a grand idea. And who was on the forefront of that movement?
I have literally arguments in stock from the liberal left, against the liberal left, that the way to bring on social change is not to shout at everyone how terribly oppressed you were - but to actually act civil (not PC, civil - as in "a discussion is still possible"), and go for the long attrition route - where you convince societies through arguments, and not through doctrine.
But in essence yes - at the point where everyone is throwing racial slurs, you cant have a discussion anymore.
But then - you are now censoring even comedians to the point where they cant do their jobs anymore - out of a fear to have their carreers destroyed on twitter - so... eh, I'd say that we are in "suff has gone too far already" territory. (In my opinion.)
I mean - before people around the world thought, that bringing back "populism" was a grand idea. And who was on the forefront of that movement?
I have literally arguments in stock from the liberal left, against the liberal left, that the way to bring on social change is not to shout at everyone how terribly oppressed you were - but to actually act civil (not PC, civil - as in "a discussion is still possible"), and go for the long attrition route - where you convince societies through arguments, and not through doctrine.
But in essence yes - at the point where everyone is throwing racial slurs, you cant have a discussion anymore.
But then - you are now censoring even comedians to the point where they cant do their jobs anymore - out of a fear to have their carreers destroyed on twitter - so... eh, I'd say that we are in "suff has gone too far already" territory. (In my opinion.)
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I can definitely agree with that. 'PC' culture has gone too far when it's digging up the past of people who made jokes to a different culture at a different time and punishing them for that. Hell, even Obama wasn't totally on board with legalizing gay marriage at one point. Freedom of speech gets attacked from both sides of the political spectrum, but I'm more concerned when the people at the top attack it than the people at the bottom. OTOH, it is just amazing the amount of power we grant to social media these days, and that gives random internet jackasses the ability to get James Gunn fired from directing Guardians of the Galaxy 3. We all lose when shit like that happens, so just stop it people.
Point is, there's a middle ground to be found here. Yes, culture/society evolves and we evolve along with it, but one goddamn tweet shouldn't define a person or a career.
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Sorry, I forgot to mention amazon, ruining our commerce and inner cities, also without paying taxes - but thats probably, because we actually like that, its so convenient.
And Uber, currently being outlawed by several european legislatures, because they are trying to do the same with inner city transport.
I mean I'm all for global trade and everything - but do I think, that I have to order my selfdriving car in europe using an app that pays taxes in california and has done away with all worker rights alongside its path to glory? Then demanding a 30% margin for doing literally nothing, whatsoever? (Once they get into owning an actual fleet of selfdriving cars, the argument will change...) No.
The gig economy - another wonderful US invention. See:
You just always wanted to have your personal accountant work out of Botswana, didnt you. Smilieface.
Why are you all so strangely unaware of those developments? Is it because of your outside enemies?
Or because even your most popular Late Night host, has now resided to public alcoholism? Whilst ridiculing your president. Hm.
You know that the rest of the world sees that, right?
And that:
h**ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ghssbkf3CY
sorry - top search result on youtube is from RT, so I'm at least not embedding that... But the link goes to them.
And Uber, currently being outlawed by several european legislatures, because they are trying to do the same with inner city transport.
I mean I'm all for global trade and everything - but do I think, that I have to order my selfdriving car in europe using an app that pays taxes in california and has done away with all worker rights alongside its path to glory? Then demanding a 30% margin for doing literally nothing, whatsoever? (Once they get into owning an actual fleet of selfdriving cars, the argument will change...) No.
The gig economy - another wonderful US invention. See:
You just always wanted to have your personal accountant work out of Botswana, didnt you. Smilieface.
Why are you all so strangely unaware of those developments? Is it because of your outside enemies?
Or because even your most popular Late Night host, has now resided to public alcoholism? Whilst ridiculing your president. Hm.
You know that the rest of the world sees that, right?
And that:
h**ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ghssbkf3CY
sorry - top search result on youtube is from RT, so I'm at least not embedding that...
But the link goes to them.
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I mean, they see the president, so they probably understand the alcoholism in response. We're a dark joke to the rest of the world at the moment.
"Hate speech" == thought crime. Being prosecuted for offering a dissenting opinion or not complying with groupthink or accidentally using the wrong fucking pronouns is an obscene abuse of power. Orwell was right about everything, except the year it would happen.
Sorry - I'm just floored watching this: h**ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdKFQjh0RSU - if I'm continuing on this path, this will become an off topic thread, so I'll stop here - but wow...
Seymour Hersh droping positive comments on the early part of Dick Cheneys (there is a name to remember) "reign", and doubling down on the fact that Obama started the inner US war against whistleblowers. Listing that as a primary cause, why he couldnt publish a tell all book about the former administration. Because he couldnt protect his sources.
Thats your free speech moment of the century. You'll find nothing that can top that.
Seymour Hersh droping positive comments on the early part of Dick Cheneys (there is a name to remember) "reign", and doubling down on the fact that Obama started the inner US war against whistleblowers. Listing that as a primary cause, why he couldnt publish a tell all book about the former administration. Because he couldnt protect his sources.
Thats your free speech moment of the century. You'll find nothing that can top that.
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Gladly, if I ever actually meet anyone who qualifies as such. Regardless, they only have as much power as you grant them in your own mind. It's not like they're going to shoot you if you don't conform to their ideas, that's the radical right.
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No, the radical left is more insidious than that. We now live in a world where "misgendering" somebody is a criminal offence, even if it was unintentional. And why is that? Because the left have campaigned for it to be that way. They have altered the definition of "hate crime" so that something is classifiable as a "hate crime" if the victim feels it was a hate crime. Not because it was objectively a hate crime; not because it could be established that it was intended to be hateful; not because there is any fucking evidence. No, it's all about the "feelings" of the "victim".
I respect the rights of everybody to do whatever they want as long as it's not harming somebody else. If somebody wants to live their life as the opposite sex, then that's fine of course. I don't care. But if I slip up and innocently use the wrong pronoun then I can be accused of a hate crime. The law will be on the side of the "victim" and I will be considered to have acted hatefully and maliciously, even though that was not my intention.
So no, they don't "only have as much power as you grant them in your own mind". They have as much power as we, as a society, grant them to affect legislation. And currently, that is a lot of power.
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Oh by the way: Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin were all socialists. So don't tell me people on the radical left don't kill people who don't conform to their ideas.
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