Team-Xecuter Presents SX INSTALLER v1.0

Chary · Dec 15, 2018

You’re free to state your opinion and discuss pros and cons, shortcomings and boons of SX, but please refrain from the roundabout fighting and bickering.

Deleted User · Dec 15, 2018

iriez said:
Sx Installer, which is based off blawar's work, which m4xw has pointed out has the same types of exceptions in tinfoil/hactool (and therefore could only be based on that code), is being distributed as a xecuter product. I am aware Adubbz said its not based on his code, but if thats the case then why is there clear proof that the same exceptions are being used? Are we really to believe that when blawar created DZ he browsed through tinfoils code and *only* used the *exact* error handling phrases and nothing else? That would be the only logical explanation that I could come up with how such a incidence could occour, and that seems as ridiculous an explation as ever.

Its also apparent that he has expanded upon tinfoils original codebase to add a lot of features that a specific demographic really enjoy's, making it a more feature-rich experience for these xecuter users.

If you support piracy, then the argument that licenses were violated probably don't matter to you. If you don't support piracy then you probably will care that blawar violated an open source license agreement to create and distribute this software. Also of note is the source for this has never been provided, which is in of itself highly suspicious.

Add in a 3rd not discussed element, which is the fact that blawar likely profited off this exchange by selling his source to xecuter. We will never know since he would never admit to such a thing, but since I've worked in the background with developers (including xecuter) for a few decades in this scene, I am aware of how this sort of normally occurs. Xecuter regularly offers money to developers to provide to xecuter on a contractual basis so that they can tie down these projects to be specific to the xecuter platform. Xecuter offered the same to m4xw for a retroarch build and im aware of many others who got simliar offers over the years.

Are we really to believe business as usual did not happen here? Lets explore the assumption that blawar freely gave his source to xecuter. People buy products based on feature sets. If xecuter buys a software that violated a license to provide these features, then xecuter is profiting off each sale by using free open source tools with specific parameters meant to avoid exactly this. Which is in itself piracy.

So while this is a nuanced and complicated discussion, it basically boils down to these two scenarios -

I pirate games and I DGAF what xecuter does, because my morals in this regard are limited.

I don't pirate games and I only use my switch for homebrew and want to see the open source culture perpetuated with proper credit towards those hard working devs who made the source public in the first place.

I apologize to those who liked my original comment to which I've edited. I realized that my original comment was being misconstrued as an endorsement for xecuter products. While I frankly have nuanced views about piracy in general (hint - Its not black and white and what academic research we have supports the notion that console piracy actually increases sales, not hurts it), I don't have to struggle to understand that violating open source licenses harms the community in the long run by disenfrancising those open source contributors.

To go on the record, I am in no way endorsing xecuter products. While I (speaking from my personal viewpoint) generally dgaf what you do with your life, I do care when the actions of a for-profit entity are causing recognizable harm to independent not-for-profit developers who contribute their time openly and freely to our community to provide tools that make our switches better.

And if not for these developers, do we really think xecuter would be where it is today? I think the obvious answer is that while they *could* eventually build these toolsets, that it would take time and that the community would have generally outpaced xecuters products.

I would actually have no problem at all (and freely endorse) xecuter products if there were no license violations. Of course, if xecuter didn't violate these licenses, then would they have the customer base they currently do? With xci loading and (I think mostly proper) emunand, I think they would still have a rich and vibrant customer base. Meaning, they could sell products and make money without crapping on the little guys out there who have made their code freely available to the world with only small requests such as proper attribution.

Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't causing harm towards those who are in the right to be offended by xecuter products, since they are victims of license violations.

Also of note is how childish all of this is. Most of these violations could be resolved with simple attribution. Why are people who are making millions of dollars so afraid to give credit where credit is due? That seems pretty goddam childish to me. I would have a lot more respect for xecuter and blawar if they both just said "Yea, I used that code, but most of the additional features are written by me". Not only is it the right and ethical thing to do, its what grown ass men would do. People are so goddamn obsessed with their ego's. Oh noes, what will happen if the public finds out I borrowed some code?!? The entire godddamn world is built off the sweat and labor of the past. Its a part of life and civilization. Refusing to acknowledge this so you can bypass attribution is the height of immaturity.

So.... why the hell did you change this post from a simple thanks to a huge novel of BS? I removed my like.... Just write a new post like a normal person.

JJTapia19 · Dec 15, 2018

Could someone please help? As soon as I open thew app I get this error and it gets stuck. Only pressing home to get out works. I have no idea on how to fix it.

BATMAN- · Dec 15, 2018

Guys sry if this is obvious but is it possible to install nsps from a thumb drive using this tool and does it also work on SX os 2.0.1? Thanks everyone

WiiuGold · Dec 15, 2018

JJTapia19 said:
Could someone please help? As soon as I open thew app I get this error and it gets stuck. Only pressing home to get out works. I have no idea on how to fix it.
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means the decryption failed. the nsp is bad

JJTapia19 · Dec 15, 2018

WiiuGold said:
means the decryption failed. either key is bad, or the nsp is bad

Hmm the thing is I get the error as soon as I open the app

. I'm on emunand 6.2.

fixingmytoys · Dec 15, 2018

iriez said:
Sx Installer, which is based off blawar's work, which m4xw has pointed out has the same types of exceptions in tinfoil/hactool (and therefore could only be based on that code), is being distributed as a xecuter product. I am aware Adubbz said its not based on his code, but if thats the case then why is there clear proof that the same exceptions are being used? Are we really to believe that when blawar created DZ he browsed through tinfoils code and *only* used the *exact* error handling phrases and nothing else? That would be the only logical explanation that I could come up with how such a incidence could occour, and that seems as ridiculous an explation as ever.

Its also apparent that he has expanded upon tinfoils original codebase to add a lot of features that a specific demographic really enjoy's, making it a more feature-rich experience for these xecuter users.

If you support piracy, then the argument that licenses were violated probably don't matter to you. If you don't support piracy then you probably will care that blawar violated an open source license agreement to create and distribute this software. Also of note is the source for this has never been provided, which is in of itself highly suspicious.

Add in a 3rd not discussed element, which is the fact that blawar likely profited off this exchange by selling his source to xecuter. We will never know since he would never admit to such a thing, but since I've worked in the background with developers (including xecuter) for a few decades in this scene, I am aware of how this sort of normally occurs. Xecuter regularly offers money to developers to provide to xecuter on a contractual basis so that they can tie down these projects to be specific to the xecuter platform. Xecuter offered the same to m4xw for a retroarch build and im aware of many others who got simliar offers over the years.

Are we really to believe business as usual did not happen here? Lets explore the assumption that blawar freely gave his source to xecuter. People buy products based on feature sets. If xecuter buys a software that violated a license to provide these features, then xecuter is profiting off each sale by using free open source tools with specific parameters meant to avoid exactly this. Which is in itself piracy.

So while this is a nuanced and complicated discussion, it basically boils down to these two scenarios -

I pirate games and I DGAF what xecuter does, because my morals in this regard are limited.

I don't pirate games and I only use my switch for homebrew and want to see the open source culture perpetuated with proper credit towards those hard working devs who made the source public in the first place.

I apologize to those who liked my original comment to which I've edited. I realized that my original comment was being misconstrued as an endorsement for xecuter products. While I frankly have nuanced views about piracy in general (hint - Its not black and white and what academic research we have supports the notion that console piracy actually increases sales, not hurts it), I don't have to struggle to understand that violating open source licenses harms the community in the long run by disenfrancising those open source contributors.

To go on the record, I am in no way endorsing xecuter products. While I (speaking from my personal viewpoint) generally dgaf what you do with your life, I do care when the actions of a for-profit entity are causing recognizable harm to independent not-for-profit developers who contribute their time openly and freely to our community to provide tools that make our switches better.

And if not for these developers, do we really think xecuter would be where it is today? I think the obvious answer is that while they *could* eventually build these toolsets, that it would take time and that the community would have generally outpaced xecuters products.

I would actually have no problem at all (and freely endorse) xecuter products if there were no license violations. Of course, if xecuter didn't violate these licenses, then would they have the customer base they currently do? With xci loading and (I think mostly proper) emunand, I think they would still have a rich and vibrant customer base. Meaning, they could sell products and make money without crapping on the little guys out there who have made their code freely available to the world with only small requests such as proper attribution.

Sorry for the long post, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't causing harm towards those who are in the right to be offended by xecuter products, since they are victims of license violations.

Also of note is how childish all of this is. Most of these violations could be resolved with simple attribution. Why are people who are making millions of dollars so afraid to give credit where credit is due? That seems pretty goddam childish to me. I would have a lot more respect for xecuter and blawar if they both just said "Yea, I used that code, but most of the additional features are written by me". Not only is it the right and ethical thing to do, its what grown ass men would do. People are so goddamn obsessed with their ego's. Oh noes, what will happen if the public finds out I borrowed some code?!? The entire godddamn world is built off the sweat and labor of the past. Its a part of life and civilization. Refusing to acknowledge this so you can bypass attribution is the height of immaturity.

OMG why wast your time with all this. Is everything else around you that perfect . Get over it. It won’t change. I do love the I don’t cross that line comments when you have to have crossed a line to do what you do on a switch in the first place, big Ninty is not going to go “oh you only use homebrew so you are okay I will leave you be” you know XS is going to do this. Why brother with a War and Peace length post, then won’t stop. And yes no doubt you will replay with your reasons why this wrong, what they are doing wrong bla bla bla, I don’t care, I just don’t care I am using my switch for way more then I would have, just like I have done on all my other systems

shanefromoz · Dec 15, 2018

Cut with all the Bullshit please.

wizra · Dec 15, 2018

Awesome. No need to use that piece of shit User Interface known as Tinfoil anymore. If the original creators of these apps want recognition, make something nice to look at. Don’t release ugly shit and then demand respect. As an end user, I couldn’t give a fuck who made what.

blawar · Dec 15, 2018

I made some cool custom themes for it.

JJTapia19 · Dec 15, 2018

blawar said:
I made some cool custom themes for it.

Can't wait to try it out. Could you help me out with my problem please? Not sure what I can try to fix it.

JJTapia19 said:
Could someone please help? As soon as I open thew app I get this error and it gets stuck. Only pressing home to get out works. I have no idea on how to fix it.
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bodefuceta · Dec 15, 2018

I perhaps understand why you'd bundle a forwarder for installed software and tinfoil together.. but calling it simply installer? Preposterous.

Shadowfied · Dec 15, 2018

Do you seriously have to go into Album (SX Menu) > Homebrew > Scroll to the end > Choose SX Installer > Wait 15 seconds for it to launch, every fucking time? Couldn't they NSP this at least?

krazyblunts · Dec 15, 2018

wizra said:
Awesome. No need to use that piece of shit User Interface known as Tinfoil anymore. If the original creators of these apps want recognition, make something nice to look at. Don’t release ugly shit and then demand respect. As an end user, I couldn’t give a fuck who made what.

team executor is apple to these lemons.

mspy · Dec 15, 2018

Shadowfied said:
Do you seriously have to go into Album (SX Menu) > Homebrew > Scroll to the end > Choose SX Installer > Wait 15 seconds for it to launch, every fucking time? Couldn't they NSP this at least?

NSP to install NSP

Shadowfied · Dec 15, 2018

mspy said:
NSP to install NSP

Huh?

blawar · Dec 15, 2018

krazyblunts said:
team executor is apple to these lemons.

SX Installer is based on work by the original Tinfoil. The UI might not be the greatest, but the author deserves our respect for helping make this app possible.

mspy · Dec 15, 2018

Shadowfied said:
Huh?

Isn't it funny to use the build in NSP intaller to install an NSP that would allow you to install NSP.

Chary · Dec 15, 2018

So what's with the "new games" and "snes" tab? Those definitely don't show up for me. Is there some magic extra step needed to make those tabs appear?

Super.Nova · Dec 15, 2018

Nerdtendo said:
I accidentally deleted my license so here's hoping TX replies to my email soon and takes pity on my poor soul

I believe you can reissue license if you still have the code you received when you bought yours.
It's registered to your unique device ID anyway and won't work on any else.

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