Believe what you'd like, but the message being presented has a heavy rooting in modern politics. It would be silly to dismiss it as such.
I don't see any reason to create a new thread. The creator of this software knew exactly what they wanted to depict, and certainly should have expected such a reaction for introducing it into a public forum with "free speech" being one of it's primarily touted features. I wish @Chary and @osaka35 would consider this before deleting discussion relevant to the topic at hand. Many of the deleted posts were purposefully introduced to flamebait, but others genuinely brought forward valid criticism and stayed on topic.
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"Free speech" has a limit. Tell me to my face that
Is a valid criticism, before you try to get on a high horse. Have some common decency and awareness of a situation and know what you're trying to say before you decide you attempt a comment.
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LGBTQ is not political, it's ideological. Any ideological problem has political consequences but saying its rooting is political is incorrect.
This is where things get tricky, and where it's important to know the difference between a hard fork and a patch. See, when a project splits off because of fundamental disagreement about how the project should develop, this is a fork. libav is a fork of ffmpeg. Luma is a fork of ReiNand. Palantine's thing is merely a hack on top of the code with no significant changes to functionality, and merely strips something that he didn't like. This is not a fork. It's a patch. A fork is ideological, but in development direction rather than something superficial. And if it's a one-off change that gets updated every once in a while while still dependent on the developers, that's not a fork.
Granted, this is just my opinion.
Free speech also does not grant the right to be a dick, nor does it grant freedom from consequences of one's speech.
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I think we can all agree it serves no logical function other than to insert an irrelevant statement into an app. Is an eyesore and obnoxious. Does not paint the movement in a good light, and raises your motives as questionable. Are you trying to make us LGBTQ+ look selfish. I hope not. Peace and love yall. Anyone whose not accepting should be called out asap.
Funny how nobody complained about the gay Yifanlu and XYZ scenes in my app just for the sake of memes. If you don't like it, don't download it. People use avatars and signature boxes all the time to publicly show off their personal statements and stances, even if other people don't like the content. And you don't need to "call out" people that don't like gay people, we don't need the same kind of fear mongering on both sides. You don't "have" to like gay people's life decisions if you don't want to-- that's like me saying you "have" to like pineapple pizza or you MUST respect my decision to have pineapple on pizza... some people will always find it gross no matter what, and it's not your job to say they are "wrong" because of it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Im glad we can agree, its about time we start calling out the haters. Personally if you dont like the app, dont use it. Its common sense. And I dont "have" to like pinapple pizza just cause you say I do. We are all allowed our own opinions. Also, your post is way off topic
Can... can you not read? or is comprehension your problem?
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I think so. I think so.
I also genuinely question whether this one-post wonder actually supports the LGBTQ movement or is just attempting to stir us all up more, so I'm gonna go ahead and report to get this whole chain deleted.
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Your speech does not, and should not be limited. Beyond simple peace keeping, I don't see any reason to discard criticism of a explicitly defined feature of an application.
That is hardly a valid example. There were many previous posts that were nowhere near as hostile or lacking of content as what you presented. It's unprofessional to construe what I am trying to make a point of simply because you disagree with the opinions others have.
This is simply wrong. Ideologies are and can be heavily rooted in politics, some parties even being primarily derived around them.
Except it does, at least under US law. Judging by your profile, that is your place of residence, no?
Then maybe you should learn some reading comprehension? I was not involved at all in whatever you're on about. You called me out for removing a post. I quoted you with said post you cried about. What else could there be?
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Oh, I'm not debating that. But LGBTQ isn't political. It's ideological. Try again, without shifting goal posts. You seem capable of rational discussion, which is a nice change from what I'm used to. Points for that.
Yes, you can be a dick. It's not illegal. That said, free speech doesn't grant the right to a platform to be a dick on in front of everyone. Site operators can reasonably ban someone being a dick. You can be fired from a job for being a dick. I don't have to put up with anyone being a dick. So you see, not being a dick is a more worthwhile endeavor in the long run. You have the legal right, but not the social right unless you're willing to relegate yourself to some dark corner.
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Thank you for the clarification, I should have looked back at previously deleted posts before jumping to a conclusion. I'll modify my original post to acknowledge this.
No need to be hostile, I may have made a mistake in judgement, but that doesn't change the intention of my statement.
I did not from the beginning argue that the "LGBTQ" movement is specifically politically motivated. However, I did state that it has a very heavy grounding in modern politics, this cannot be denied.
Except it does.
Unless they present the service they're supplying as a "public forum". Nowhere did I state anything opposing your latter statements.
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To be honest, I'm getting bored so I'll make this my last post. Thanks for the software OP - I used it to dump the 6.x keys. If anyone is discouraging you, just ignore them.
Except it does not. IANAL, but I study this shit for fun.
An internet forum is not a public forum since it is privately owned and not operated by the government. For that matter, it is not even a nonpublic forum, since again, it is privately operated. Freedom of speech does not have to be respected in a privatized context, only a public context. If you've ever wondered why internet forums can enforce seemingly arbitrary rules without running afoul of the law, this is why. You seem to have mixed up the legal definition of forum with internet forums. They're not the same thing.
Except it does not. IANAL, but I study this shit for fun.
An internet forum is not a public forum since it is privately owned and not operated by the government. For that matter, it is not even a nonpublic forum, since again, it is privately operated. Freedom of speech does not have to be respected in a privatized context, only a public context. If you've ever wondered why internet forums can enforce seemingly arbitrary rules without running afoul of the law, this is why. You seem to have mixed up the legal definition of forum with internet forums. They're not the same thing.
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politics isn't the name, politics is climate change, is finances, and military, and immigration. the rest is bullshit and religion.
so being gay, feeling gay showing you're gay, or standing up for gay people isn't political, it's the basis of structure, of justice, and love. you took all that i can show respect for in a human.
it's not political it's hypocritical.
I'm using SX OS 2.3 beta (horizon at 6.1.0) and tried to dump my keys with your app. Tegra key dumping always failed. Any idea?
https://xkcd.com/1357/
either way, the software works just fine, I was (apparently) able to grab all my keys from my switch using this.
Again, you are mistaken. My previous post was to point to you that, in fact, you have the right as a US citizen to "be a dick" when a part of a public forum. In no way did I mean that to associate with privately-run "internet forums". However, websites can legitimately be called public forums if they pronounce themselves as one, or if the government rules them out to be.
This has been stated already, and I certainly understand it in this regard. Though, completely dismissing its political involvement because of your feelings on the matter is just plain silly. My statement was that the "LGBTQ" movement "has a heavy rooting in modern politics", and no matter how you feel about the subject, this is the truth and cannot be denied.
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