Hacking NOOB PARADISE - ask away

ISO-Man · Nov 14, 2018

raxadian said:
I looked at the back of my White Wii, it has what might be two USB ports. Funny how I never noticed them before.

Were do I get those Wii channels? Also I need to update the one the custom loads Wii and Gamecube games. Haven't updated a homebrew Wii channel since 2011.

https://sites.google.com/site/completesg/backup-launchers/usb

Has everything you need and need to know

JaernetStrongrogg · Nov 15, 2018

Hey, I just bought two Wii’s and I want to backup the untouched/virgin NAND of them before doing any kind of softmod or similar hack! Is this possible?

I read that I maybe could do this through ModMii choosing the Abstinence Wizard with Sneek.. is this correct?

Best regards
Järnet Strongrogg

Ryccardo · Nov 15, 2018

JaernetStrongrogg said:
Hey, I just bought two Wii’s and I want to backup the untouched/virgin NAND of them before doing any kind of softmod or similar hack! Is this possible?

I read that I maybe could do this through ModMii choosing the Abstinence Wizard with Sneek.. is this correct?

Best regards
Järnet Strongrogg

I don't think it is possible (at least on 3.3+, and obviously without using a hardware nand programmer), because IOS does not give programs free access to the NAND

If you have an old Wii that can install BootMii in boot2, you could install that only (it's fully reversible without traces, I think, unlike installing a title) and create a backup from there

Else you will need to install at least something (the Homebrew Channel, which has AHBPROT enabled, so that compatible homebrew can bypass the IOS and its permissions system); the HackMii Installer itself obviously uses some exploit to get the ability to install channels, but the installer itself is closed source and the exploit it uses is still undocumented...

JaernetStrongrogg · Nov 15, 2018

Ryccardo said:
I don't think it is possible (at least on 3.3+, and obviously without using a hardware nand programmer), because IOS does not give programs free access to the NAND

If you have an old Wii that can install BootMii in boot2, you could install that only (it's fully reversible without traces, I think, unlike installing a title) and create a backup from there

Else you will need to install at least something (the Homebrew Channel, which has AHBPROT enabled, so that compatible homebrew can bypass the IOS and its permissions system); the HackMii Installer itself obviously uses some exploit to get the ability to install channels, but the installer itself is closed source and the exploit it uses is still undocumented...

Thanks a lot for getting back to me that quickly! So based on what you wrote, the closest to ‘untouched’ I can get my NAND backup would be to reformat my Wii through the normal Wii menu and then do a NAND backup through BootMii?

My Wii’s are newer though.. they’re black with GameCube controller ports so they must be either RVL-CPU-40 or 50 or 60.
Is there something I should keep in mind using BootMii then?
I’m just curious.. would I brick my Wii if I reformat through the Wii menu after running wilbert/banner bomb?

raxadian · Nov 15, 2018

So anyway, I already had the Homebrew channel. I just need to update it, anyone got the last version? Or it really has not been updated in eight years?

Ryccardo · Nov 15, 2018

JaernetStrongrogg said:
So based on what you wrote, the closest to ‘untouched’ I can get my NAND backup would be to reformat my Wii through the normal Wii menu and then do a NAND backup through BootMii?

Well, since you indirectly said you can't have Bootmii in boot2 (since it's a black model, and the last boot2-moddable models were made in mid 2008), the shortest way would be: entrypoint > Hackmii Installer > HBC + BootMii IOS > open HBC > go to BootMii > backup

A factory reset isn't very helpful for cleanliness, since I think it leaves channel tickets installed, and it certainly doesn't revert modifications to system titles (like IOS), and every installed channel gets permanently recorded into a file called uid.sys (used to separate files of different applications: if you know Unix permissions, the idea is almost the same)

For brick recovery, Bootmii IOS isn't very helpful, since you would need Priiloader installed (and working!) to access it in the case of a brick, and a Gamecube controller to restore a backup - but if you can use Priiloader you have access to much more flexible recovery options!
(The BootMii backup can be used with a hardware programmer, but in these years when you can buy an used Wii for 20 € - what you could make by selling the broken one for parts, it just doesn't pay no matter how strongly you think e-waste is a problem...! And of course the backup is indirectly useful if you ever need your nand encryption keys for use with PC software, or if you legally want to emulate an exact copy of your own Wii)

JaernetStrongrogg said:
would I brick my Wii if I reformat through the Wii menu after running wilbert/banner bomb?

No: those exploits, by themselves, don't modify your console at all

The only "damage" that can be caused by a factory reset is, if you have Priiloader installed, you will lose access to the Wii Menu itself (because Priiloader renames the Wii Menu and replaces it, so the original Wii Menu is not seen as a critical system file anymore) - but since Priiloader continues to work, as said above it's quite easy to fix the problem

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raxadian said:
So anyway, I already had the Homebrew channel. I just need to update it, anyone got the last version? Or it really has not been updated in eight years?

The last "official" HBC (titleid LULZ, closed source, with "DRM" like the infamous upside down screen, distributed via HackMii installer so that it can be installed on an unmodded Wii with their own proprietary exploit) is still 1.1.2

Then, a DRM-free open source version was published by Marcan, and is available in .wad format: https://gbatemp.net/threads/v-wii-homebrew-channel-open-sourced.450288/page-4#post-6871034
It has titleid OHBC and is version 1.1.3 (and has a video mode fix, although it's mainly of interest to Vwii users)

From there, forks and mods happened: one of the most famous is Fix94's 1.1.4 (https://github.com/FIX94/hbc/releases) although that's too mainly aimed at WiiU owners, and someone reported stability problems

Myself, I use the 1.1.3 I linked above...

jakepool2000 · Nov 16, 2018

i have been trying to open AR to WiiRD for hours can someone help me out please

raxadian · Nov 16, 2018

Ryccardo said:
The last "official" HBC (titleid LULZ, closed source, with "DRM" like the infamous upside down screen, distributed via HackMii installer so that it can be installed on an unmodded Wii with their own proprietary exploit) is still 1.1.2

Then, a DRM-free open source version was published by Marcan, and is available in .wad format: https://gbatemp.net/threads/v-wii-homebrew-channel-open-sourced.450288/page-4#post-6871034
It has titleid OHBC and is version 1.1.3 (and has a video mode fix, although it's mainly of interest to Vwii users)

From there, forks and mods happened: one of the most famous is Fix94's 1.1.4 (https://github.com/FIX94/hbc/releases) although that's too mainly aimed at WiiU owners, and someone reported stability problems

Myself, I use the 1.1.3 I linked above...

So 1.1.3 is it since I have a Wii, not a Wii U. Thank you.

Any other channel I should have to run games, and how one does run Wiiware games?

Ryccardo · Nov 16, 2018

raxadian said:
Any other channel I should have to run games, and how one does run Wiiware games?

You do not need any "channels" to run Wii disc backups (an USB loader of your choice, and appropriate CIOS such as d2x v8, v10-52, or v10-53 - newer is not necessarily better!);
Gamecube backups are even simpler, you just need Nintendont (and an updated copy of IOS58, which you likely have if your Wii is on the last official update and you never meddled with that IOS)
If you want, you could install forwarder channels (that run a homebrew, like an USB loader, directly from the Wii Menu), but they are optional

WiiWare and installable channels in general, you install them to internal storage (using .wad files and a wad manager, such as "Wii Mod Lite" or "Some YAWMM Mod"); alternatively you could spend some time figuring out how to setup and run an emunand (which would allow you to run them directly from SD or USB, although with reduced compatibility)

Oh, and before you start installing channels from questionable sources, you should install Priiloader, which would allow you to fix a "banner brick" (the condition where a channel with a bad icon prevents the Wii Menu from starting) and some more things!

ISO-Man · Nov 16, 2018

Try story again: Installed Letterbomb (went through steps for homebrew and boot=Nand only). I did nand 56=249 and 57=250 BEFORE 236. Everything worked fine except USB Loader GX WAD (ask to use 249 or ???). I tried 56 and 57 again (no, I did not uninstall 1st). Now I start a game, controller needs reset (on Fortune street) and freezes on (just dance 2018) <-- 2 games I tried. I uninstall bootmii.. still same. I think it is time I quit thinking for myself and get help

SysCheck HDE v2.4.0 HacksDen Edition by JoostinOnline, Double_A, R2-D2199, and Nano
...runs on IOS58 (rev 6176).

Region: NTSC-U
System Menu 4.3U (v513)

Drive date: 12.18.2008
Homebrew Channel 1.1.2 running on IOS58

Hollywood v0x21
Console ID: 142560035
Console Type: Wii
Shop Channel Country: United States (49)
Boot2 v4
Found 76 titles.
Found 46 IOS on this console. 15 of them are stubs.

IOS3 (rev 65280): Stub
IOS4 (rev 65280): Stub
IOS9 (rev 1034): No Patches
IOS10 (rev 768): Stub
IOS11 (rev 256): Stub
IOS12 (rev 526): No Patches
IOS13 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS14 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS15 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS16 (rev 512): Stub
IOS17 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS20 (rev 256): Stub
IOS21 (rev 1039): No Patches
IOS22 (rev 1294): No Patches
IOS28 (rev 1807): No Patches
IOS30 (rev 2816): Stub
IOS31 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS33 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS34 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS35 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS36 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS37 (rev 5663): No Patches
IOS38 (rev 4124): No Patches
IOS40 (rev 3072): Stub
IOS41 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS43 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS45 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS46 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS48 (rev 4124): No Patches
IOS50 (rev 5120): Stub
IOS51 (rev 4864): Stub
IOS52 (rev 5888): Stub
IOS53 (rev 5663): No Patches
IOS55 (rev 5663): No Patches
IOS56 (rev 5662): No Patches
IOS57 (rev 5919): No Patches
IOS58 (rev 6176): USB 2.0
IOS60 (rev 6400): Stub
IOS61 (rev 5662): No Patches
IOS70 (rev 6912): Stub
IOS80 (rev 6944): No Patches
IOS222 (rev 65280): Stub
IOS223 (rev 65280): Stub
IOS236[36] (rev 65535, Info: rev 3351): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, NAND Access
IOS249[56] (rev 65535, Info: d2x-v6): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
IOS250[57] (rev 65535, Info: d2x-v6): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
BC v6
MIOS v10
Report generated on 11/16/2018.

jeannotte · Nov 16, 2018

Hello,

@ISO-Man :

reinstall your cios correctly with this version ==> cios d2x v10 beta 52

and you put like this for the cios ==> cios 249 base 56, cios 250 base 57 and cios 251 base 58.

then update your loader ==>https://sourceforge.net/projects/usbloadergx/

Imperative install Bootmii

Then test again.

ISO-Man · Nov 16, 2018

jeannotte said:
Hello,

@ISO-Man :

reinstall your cios correctly with this version ==> cios d2x v10 beta 52

and you put like this for the cios ==> cios 249 base 56, cios 250 base 57 and cios 251 base 58.

then update your loader ==>https://sourceforge.net/projects/usbloadergx/

Imperative install Bootmii

Then test again.

Everything working as before, but still can't get the USB Loader GX WAD (installed under 249) to work.. still states USB not found and ask if I want to retry under 249 or 236 (if I recall).

jeannotte · Nov 17, 2018

Hello,

Avoid USB keys, it works badly or not with the wii .Preferer an external hard drive for better connectivity.

Or test another usb support.

For the usb loader loader gx ==>http://sourceforge.net/projects/usb.../USB Loader GX-UNEO_Forwarder_5_1_AHBPROT.wad

ISO-Man · Nov 17, 2018

jeannotte said:
Hello,

Avoid USB keys, it works badly or not with the wii .Preferer an external hard drive for better connectivity.

Or test another usb support.

For the usb loader loader gx ==>http://sourceforge.net/projects/usbloadergx/files/Releases/Forwarders/USB Loader GX-UNEO_Forwarder_5_1_AHBPROT.wad

That is what I am using with USB hard drive (drive works on all other wii's)

HackingNewbie · Nov 17, 2018

Ryccardo said:
It has titleid OHBC and is version 1.1.3 (and has a video mode fix, although it's mainly of interest to Vwii users)

Wait, if the titleid is OHBC, would that mess up bootmii's homebrew channel feature? BC I assume my bootmii loads titleid LULZ since that's what my current homebrew channel installation is (1.1.2)?

ISO-Man · Nov 17, 2018

ISO-Man said:
That is what I am using with USB hard drive (drive works on all other wii's)

Call e an absolute moron! Still having in SD card in, the loader went to that 1st which had an old version of USB Loader GX on it from 4-5 years ago. Duh! lol

jeannotte · Nov 17, 2018

@ISO-Man :

So you have to installed the latest version of USB loader gx and it works now ??

ISO-Man · Nov 17, 2018

jeannotte said:
@ISO-Man :

So you have to installed the latest version of USB loader gx and it works now ??

No, all I had to do was take out the SD card and now all works fine. My Wii SD card was stuff from 4-5 years ago. I do the HD through the PC directly. One of those Duh moments

HelloYesHuman · Nov 18, 2018

richglix said:
Please keep all noob questions in this topic. Thanks!

So, im a noob and im wanting to install Priiloader, i originally patched a IOS i had running using SIP to get extra options on gecko and homebrew says my version is "IOS56 v24.32", i know want to unpatch (if thats a thing) my version to install Priiloader and then reinstall patches to run gecko properly, is this possible and if so, how. Thanks!

-TotallyNotRobot =)
(also, dont know if this is usefull, but im running HC v1.1.2)

AlexanderLS · Nov 20, 2018

Any way to limit the Wii's volume output?

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