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That's a very silly question. Of course nobody wants the Earth to heat up, but you have a couple options to stop it.
1. Cease almost all production of goods
2. Keep going and develop tech later

The first would destroy many nations struggling to create wealth, and it will capitulate already existing nations. You'd have nothing left to save, it would just be a bunch of dead people and tribes fighting over cans of SPAM. That's a bit of a hyperbole, I know, but the idea is funny.

Then the second is just stuff like this. We'll find a way, and if it rises a little bit, we'll find a way to cool it off. A huge increase in temperatures would be catastrophic, but not apocalyptic.

That is a rather forced dichotomy. I agree it is a problem started by technology and ultimately to be solved by it but in the meantime it might serve to lessen the effects (say less fossil and more nuclear and renewable, still enjoy the same power capacity and resulting quality of life though).
 

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dont steal
The right and the left both like stealing when it comes to taxes
dont make others feel bad
The right generally doesn't care if they make people feel bad when they are in the right.

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(say less fossil and more nuclear and renewable, still enjoy the same power capacity and resulting quality of life though).
Oh I love nuclear energy! Don't get me wrong, if there's a way to get energy that's useful and environmentally friendly, then go for it! The issue is that private companies can't make nuclear facilities, since nuclear material is regulated so heavily, and it's all up to the government to decide for it to happen, which they wont ;-;
 

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They Love Money and Spin Bullshit for Praise.

It all a lot of shit I agree with @SG854.

Get rid of politics section on GBAtemp. This should be a gaming centric site.



Gaming and leave this Bullshit in the Gutter where it belongs you cant do or go anywhere now theres Politics Oh Trump is this or that and Brexit is Nightmare Bigots , Racists , Pokemon. You think Gaming Site would be Breath of Fresh Air or Games for that matter And now even Doom is Racist and Hateful towards the SJW Snowflakes and against Immigrants in reality maybe it speaks too much of the Truth.

I Mean no wonder everyone is pissed constantly they are walking through this Smog everywhere they go "Always take the Weather with you" Pun Intended.
 
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They Love Money and Spin Bullshit for Praise.

It all a lot of shit I agree with @SG854.





Gaming and leave this Bullshit in the Gutter where it belongs you cant do or go anywhere now theres Politics Oh Trump is this or that and Brexit is Nightmare Bigots , Racists , Pokemon. You think Gaming Site would be Breath of Fresh Air or Games for that matter And now even Doom is Racist and Hateful towards the SJW Snowflakes and against Immigrants in reality maybe it speaks too much of the Truth.

I Mean no wonder everyone is pissed constantly they are walking through this Smog everywhere they go "Always take the Weather with you" Pun Intended.
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They Love Money and Spin Bullshit for Praise.

It all a lot of shit I agree with @SG854.





Gaming and leave this Bullshit in the Gutter where it belongs you cant do or go anywhere now theres Politics Oh Trump is this or that and Brexit is Nightmare Bigots , Racists , Pokemon. You think Gaming Site would be Breath of Fresh Air or Games for that matter And now even Doom is Racist and Hateful towards the SJW Snowflakes and against Immigrants in reality maybe it speaks too much of the Truth.

I Mean no wonder everyone is pissed constantly they are walking through this Smog everywhere they go "Always take the Weather with you" Pun Intended.

a) do you think we did not have a massive giggle at the Doom stuff around here?

b) while not everything is political to extricate it from everything is remarkably hard (could I discuss a call of duty story for instance under such a regime?) and I am not sure what purpose it serves -- we all seem to be big enough and ugly enough to have discussions around here, have been the entire time I have been around here as well (and from what I can tell the time before I was around here too). I am sure there are sites that have bland and boring discussions about the correct mouse sensitivity for lemmings paintball* or something, don't know what gave you the impression this was one of them. If you want to advocate for such a thing then so be it, I don't think you will get too much traction around here though.

*that might be closer to a strawman than I would like. Maybe a 90s/2000s style one man army hyperviolence is all good as long as it is nazis, zombies, aliens or alien nazi zombies (maybe the occasional Vietcong or terrorist mercenary), no sex please we're British gamers, politics is lame so just don't but I do like the occasional break with a go on tetris, sonic or mario type site still exists.
 
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The actual politicians on both sides actually agree on quite a bit. More federal power, more spying, continuing both the war on drugs and terror, and wiping their asses with the Constitution. They use these sensationalist topics like gay rights (which should be a given, really, was this worth arguing over? Only the most hardcore Bible thumpers disagree with gay rights) and villianizing someone because he was a drunk high school student who got a little grabby with another drunk high school student. Divide and conquer, people. Personally I feel if there were more third-party people elected, not necessarily for president, things would get a lot less ugly. I don't agree with everything the Libertarians stand for, but they seem like the best choice to start fixing things and get people united again. I think people are just too afraid of the responsibility that extra liberty would require and they feel more comfortable living whatever narrative their particular side of the political spectrum has crafted for them.
 

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The Canadian / United States political systems are broken, I'm sure the left and right both agree on that. The dual-party First Past The Post election system has created a nationwide "us-VS-them" divide that must be healed, or we are going to be our own demise.
Electoral reform is necessary. Proportional representation is a must to heal the divide.
 
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The Canadian / United States political systems are broken, I'm sure the left and right both agree on that. The dual-party First Past The Post election system has created a nationwide "us-VS-them" divide that must be healed, or we are going to be our own demise.
Electoral reform is necessary. Proportional representation is a must to heal the divide.
If only it were that easy. Any mention of a third party among anyone is simply met with a "lol wasted vote" or they claim that thrid party votes take away from either republicans or democrats (whichever side they agree with), which is kind of true, but we're actually taking votes from both. Personally I feel the two-party system is the biggest hindrance to the American people and their freedom, and it needs to die a quick but painful death .
 

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people actually believe there's only two sides, while the political spectrum is much wider than that.
Yes, I feel as if I can't be part of the parties because I lean more towards the center which is considered by the many to still be part of 'the far right'.
the medias are less interested by presenting you with a political spectrum and more about telling you what to think.
I call it Monopoly. :evil::whip: and it sucks but I generally watch news from right leaning liberals. (or so I assume they are, not trying to label anyone)
tribes fighting over cans of SPAM.
Excuse me? I'd kill for SPAM.. :rofl2:

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The dual-party First Past The Post election system has created a nationwide "us-VS-them" divide
I gotta look into this, never heard of it tbh.
 

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If only it were that easy. Any mention of a third party among anyone is simply met with a "lol wasted vote" or they claim that thrid party votes take away from either republicans or democrats (whichever side they agree with), which is kind of true, but we're actually taking votes from both. Personally I feel the two-party system is the biggest hindrance to the American people and their freedom, and it needs to die a quick but painful death .

Here in BC Canada, we're in the process of filling out mail-out ballots to vote on proportional representation. The first question is a Yes or No response to electoral reform, and the second is choosing your preferred system to replace First-Past-The-Post. Wish us luck!
 
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That's a very silly question. Of course nobody wants the Earth to heat up, but you have a couple options to stop it.
1. Cease almost all production of goods
2. Keep going and develop tech later

The first would destroy many nations struggling to create wealth, and it will capitulate already existing nations. You'd have nothing left to save, it would just be a bunch of dead people and tribes fighting over cans of SPAM. That's a bit of a hyperbole, I know, but the idea is funny.

Then the second is just stuff like this. We'll find a way, and if it rises a little bit, we'll find a way to cool it off. A huge increase in temperatures would be catastrophic, but not apocalyptic.
*sigh*

1. I never said anything about wanting the earth to heat up. This is interpreting the situation in a way to dodge the answer
2. only the second option will stop it (also: next point). The first not only is indeed extremely unlikely, but also won't do anything of the current situation
3. From the article: "Developers say the plant will capture about 900 tons of CO2 annually — or the approximate level released from 200 cars ". :unsure: Not to criticize the solution, but that technology needs to be increased at a pace more rapid than Moore's law to make even a dent in even the current escalation in the process, let alone revert anything.
4. I REALLY hate to disagree with you, but your last sentence is wrong. The IPCC's latest rapport flat out tells that unless we make HUGE changes NOW, we won't be able to reduce the consequences to 'merely' catastrophic...it will be apocalyptic (summary example).

...but okay: I get the point. The right's answer will always be "we'll fix the problem when it appears".
 

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unless we make HUGE changes NOW, we won't be able to reduce the consequences to 'merely' catastrophic...it will be apocalyptic
I think it won't work unless other countries, cough China, put their part as well, I read an article a few years back of a man vacuuming the smog in the air and creates a brick. How can we keep a neighborhood clean if the person down the street dumps trash and the wind blows it.
 

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e HUGE changes NOW, we won't be able to reduce the consequences to 'merely' catastrophic...it will be apocalyptic
The report you link recommends total net-zero CO2 across the globe, and mentions nothing about an apocalypse.

"we'll fix the problem when it appears".
We will. You can't just reach net-zero emissions without stopping trillions of dollars worth of production, putting billions out of work. I mean, I suppose starvation is also a pretty good way to reduce emissions, but even then I don't think that I would enjoy seeings billions starve to death.
 
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I find that most people agree on most issues, it's the implementation of solutions that's the point of contention. The rest is just pretending to be stupid to tug the party line, being willfully ignorant or purposefully deceitful in order to achieve certain goals.
 

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I find that most people agree on most issues, it's the implementation of solutions that's the point of contention. The rest is just pretending to be stupid to tug the party line, being willfully ignorant or purposefully deceitful in order to achieve certain goals.

Well yeah. People agree that the poor should get more wealthy. The left generally thinks the way to do so is to take from others in order to increase wealth, while people on the right generally think that removing barriers to work is the best way to do so. Stuff like that is what people disagree on.
 

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Well yeah. People agree that the poor should get more wealthy. The left generally thinks the way to do so is to take from others in order to increase wealth, while people on the right generally think that removing barriers to work is the best way to do so. Stuff like that is what people disagree on.
The left prefers to raise wages, the right thinks we can make everyone rich just by lowering taxes. Lowering taxes does essentially nothing for low-income individuals though, as their taxes are already minimal.
 

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The left prefers to raise wages, the right thinks we can make everyone rich just by lowering taxes. Lowering taxes does essentially nothing for low-income individuals though, as their taxes are already minimal.
You can't just raise wages without having an adverse affect on the the market. Inflation is a thing. Please learn about cost-push inflation and demand-pull inflation. Raising wages does nothing to affect that the actual wage of people. Sure, they're getting paid 15 bucks an hour, but they're only going to buy the same amount when they were paid 9. The actual wage stays the same.
 

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You can't just raise wages without having an adverse affect on the the market.
I understand that, it's just not nearly as drastic an effect as you're making it out to be. Minimum wage has been raised several times already, and even taking inflation and the slight increase in product costs into account, people always have more money at the end of the day. You're buying into corporate talking points in that "anything which is good for workers must be bad for the company at large." As if they won't dump all workers for automation the second it's advanced enough regardless of pay rates.
 

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more money at the end of the day.
If it wasn't bad for the company they'd already have done it. If a company could pay it's workers a thousand bucks an hour and still operate at the same level, they'd do it just to be competitive with their wages. If you had even the most basic understanding of how markets operate you would not be saying this at all. You also need to understand that the USA is not even close to being a free market. It's a corporatist hell-hole.
 

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