I see how bringing these topics up tend to bitter the taste of us gamers. Can I ask a mod to take remove this or how does it work? Report? lol
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What do the Left and Right agree on?
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For what it is worth we have always had politics discussions for the entire time I have been here or following here. Seems to do OK here.
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It depends where you are in the world. The usual one I go with is no right wing UK politician of any real note cares about increasing access to guns, abortions or making sure healthcare stays private in the same way a US right wing politician might have it as their bread and butter. The UK set might have individual positions but as far as pushing for law and policy... nah.
Similarly I saw a very interesting video a while back (can't find it right now) detailing the positions people hold relative to time and positions the major parties have taken. Several things arose but one of the big ones was that the right wing parties by measure of their typical talking points have gone rather more centrist in recent years whereas the left has gone very left (possibly alienating a lot of their traditional base at the same time). Said positions will also have to be accounted for as well -- not all right wing types will be "enough to secure the borders and nothing more" and instead probably something like "borders and ensure your rights", however they will probably also be happy with roads being built, schools being sorted... though they may differ on whether individual states or a higher level will be the main driving force for it. At the same time many left types will find the idea that some float of no borders at all to be bat shit insane.
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It depends where you are in the world. The usual one I go with is no right wing UK politician of any real note cares about increasing access to guns, abortions or making sure healthcare stays private in the same way a US right wing politician might have it as their bread and butter. The UK set might have individual positions but as far as pushing for law and policy... nah.
Similarly I saw a very interesting video a while back (can't find it right now) detailing the positions people hold relative to time and positions the major parties have taken. Several things arose but one of the big ones was that the right wing parties by measure of their typical talking points have gone rather more centrist in recent years whereas the left has gone very left (possibly alienating a lot of their traditional base at the same time). Said positions will also have to be accounted for as well -- not all right wing types will be "enough to secure the borders and nothing more" and instead probably something like "borders and ensure your rights", however they will probably also be happy with roads being built, schools being sorted... though they may differ on whether individual states or a higher level will be the main driving force for it. At the same time many left types will find the idea that some float of no borders at all to be bat shit insane.
I have a question for the right wing:
Just how much degrees (celcius) ARE you okay with the earth warming?
For some freaking reason, this whole debate gets presented as if it's something people on the left want. But I'm pretty sure that IF the climate spirals out of control, we will all either die or be worse off. So with the scepsis of scientists as taken for granted (or is it? It's often presented as if people on the right side distrust science, but I honestly don't know for sure )...just how many degrees do YOU think is smooth sailing?
Just how much degrees (celcius) ARE you okay with the earth warming?
For some freaking reason, this whole debate gets presented as if it's something people on the left want. But I'm pretty sure that IF the climate spirals out of control, we will all either die or be worse off. So with the scepsis of scientists as taken for granted (or is it? It's often presented as if people on the right side distrust science, but I honestly don't know for sure
)...just how many degrees do YOU think is smooth sailing?
1 degree... Fahrenheit.I have a question for the right wing:
Just how much degrees (celcius) ARE you okay with the earth warming?
For some freaking reason, this whole debate gets presented as if it's something people on the left want. But I'm pretty sure that IF the climate spirals out of control, we will all either die or be worse off. So with the scepsis of scientists as taken for granted (or is it? It's often presented as if people on the right side distrust science, but I honestly don't know for sure
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I have a question for the right wing:
Just how much degrees (celcius) ARE you okay with the earth warming?
For some freaking reason, this whole debate gets presented as if it's something people on the left want. But I'm pretty sure that IF the climate spirals out of control, we will all either die or be worse off. So with the scepsis of scientists as taken for granted (or is it? It's often presented as if people on the right side distrust science, but I honestly don't know for sure
Well, most republicans I know take a very nihilistic viewpoint to this(if they think global warming is even an issue, and even then, most of them think it's due to natural causes. Pompeii and other volcanic explosions eventually led into the ice age they claim). Basically, after looking at the simulations, most of them have determined that anything we do in regard to global warming is pointless. To stop global warming, not only would we have to shut down tons of factories and power plants(Millions without a job). I would predict the biggest economic crash since the Great Depression. Possibly worse. Even beyond that, there's no guarantee the other countries will do the same. China'll just snicker as he asks how we'll pay off our debt now.
But besides that, the market has been moving to nuclear and solar for years now, without any government intervention. Because it's plain cheaper in a lot of cases.
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Oh, and Marijuana legalisation. Everybody in the room, no matter the time, place, or race, can agree that marijuana should be legal.
Pretty unlikely. Scientists are desperately getting countries to keep things within 1.5 degrees Celsius heating That's about 2 degrees Fahrenheit, so that would make political right even more eager to put through than the left (granted : it would fit the description of 'conservative1 degree... Fahrenheit.
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I know all that. That's precisely why I'm asking. Look... If a location raises 100 degrees Celsius - that's the difference between the freezing point of water and its boiling point - then no sane man is going to argue it's no longer livable. There is no "but the economy" or a"its not our fault " question then but a " this place is uninhabitable ". Would that be a scenario worth trying to prevent?
Sorry... I know you can't answer that on behalf of an entire group. But that debate is getting me more and more the mental image of one group trying to rescue the human race while another basically says "screw future generations".
That the other one is wrong.
That they are the only ones that are intelligent.
That they are the only group honestly making money.
That it's the end of the world as we know it.
I can't say they both want to overthrow the US government and turn into a dictatorship because I only hear that from one side. The other wants to overthrow the US government and hasn't thought about what comes next.
So I guess that's like half in common right?
That they are the only ones that are intelligent.
That they are the only group honestly making money.
That it's the end of the world as we know it.
I can't say they both want to overthrow the US government and turn into a dictatorship because I only hear that from one side. The other wants to overthrow the US government and hasn't thought about what comes next.
So I guess that's like half in common right?
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Then we'd have to delete the blogs section, the EoF, General Off-Topic Chat, etc.
Give people a place to talk about things other than gaming, honestly.
Literally. What they should agree on is that they should be both equally active and cooperate in a constructive way instead of endlessly trying to find wrongs in others viewpoints. My 2 cents.
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Pretty unlikely. Scientists are desperately getting countries to keep things within 1.5 degrees Celsius heating That's about 2 degrees Fahrenheit, so that would make political right even more eager to put through than the left (granted : it would fit the description of 'conservative
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I know all that. That's precisely why I'm asking. Look... If a location raises 100 degrees Celsius - that's the difference between the freezing point of water and its boiling point - then no sane man is going to argue it's no longer livable. There is no "but the economy" or a"its not our fault " question then but a " this place is uninhabitable ". Would that be a scenario worth trying to prevent?
Sorry... I know you can't answer that on behalf of an entire group. But that debate is getting me more and more the mental image of one group trying to rescue the human race while another basically says "screw future generations".
It's more one group wants to prolong the inevitable and make it infinitely more painful for everyone involved, while the other group doubts said end is even coming, and would rather focus on things that we know we can fix. At least, that's the impression I get. Let me put it this way. Even if everybody took the strictest approach possible to the Paris agreement... We would still be screwed. Rather then try to stop it, they'd much rather be prepared for when it does happen(if it even happens).
Basically the left wants to stop it from happening. (Despite that being virtually impossible)
The right thinks if it is real, they'd much rather stockpile food and start researching genetic engineering to make plants survive higher average temperatures.
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I think we, in the us, agree on a hell of a lot more subjects than the media and government would have us believe. It's in the interest of the rich to have the poor fighting with each other instead of them.
So we are presented with fringe ideologies as though they are what everyone believes, and eventually, these stances are adopted.
What we've got going on in the US is a corporate oligarchy, and what we all have in common is that the people with the money, the ones who buy our politicians, have us all right where they want us.
So we are presented with fringe ideologies as though they are what everyone believes, and eventually, these stances are adopted.
What we've got going on in the US is a corporate oligarchy, and what we all have in common is that the people with the money, the ones who buy our politicians, have us all right where they want us.
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Things both sides seem to agree on. Drone strikes and projection of power - killing innocent people to further our geopolitical interests.
The whole internet doesn't live in the US ~.
One problem that you might not be aware in the US... is that the medias are less interested by presenting you with a political spectrum and more about telling you what to think. On both sides, there's really not a lot of actual debate, you don't find tv shows where people from both parties are debating and confronting ideas. When they do, it's always one versus all, always with mockery, and never go deep into things with actual argumentation.
It's no wonder that both sides can't talk to each other anymore, it's no wonder that people actually believe there's only two sides, while the political spectrum is much wider than that.
One problem that you might not be aware in the US... is that the medias are less interested by presenting you with a political spectrum and more about telling you what to think. On both sides, there's really not a lot of actual debate, you don't find tv shows where people from both parties are debating and confronting ideas. When they do, it's always one versus all, always with mockery, and never go deep into things with actual argumentation.
It's no wonder that both sides can't talk to each other anymore, it's no wonder that people actually believe there's only two sides, while the political spectrum is much wider than that.
The leaders of both sides seem to agree on this, but I no longer see much support for endless meddling and war among their subjects.
That's a very silly question. Of course nobody wants the Earth to heat up, but you have a couple options to stop it.
1. Cease almost all production of goods
2. Keep going and develop tech later
The first would destroy many nations struggling to create wealth, and it will capitulate already existing nations. You'd have nothing left to save, it would just be a bunch of dead people and tribes fighting over cans of SPAM. That's a bit of a hyperbole, I know, but the idea is funny.
Then the second is just stuff like this. We'll find a way, and if it rises a little bit, we'll find a way to cool it off. A huge increase in temperatures would be catastrophic, but not apocalyptic.
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