Gaming Why is there still x264 when there's x265?

Noctosphere · Oct 22, 2018

I mean, when I download media recently released, they're all in x264
However, after a couple of month/year, they get released in x265

I'd just like to know why aren't they immediatly released in x265
It's so much better size-wise
a x265 720p video is lighter than the same video in 480p x264

So, I'd just like to know, why not going directly to x265?

MarkDaPirate · Oct 22, 2018

I think its simply because lots of players don't support x265 as standard yet. I maybe wrong though

The Real Jdbye · Oct 22, 2018

Noctosphere said:
I mean, when I download media recently released, they're all in x264
However, after a couple of month/year, they get released in x265

I'd just like to know why aren't they immediatly released in x265
It's so much better size-wise
a x265 720p video is lighter than the same video in 480p x264

So, I'd just like to know, why not going directly to x265?

h265 still takes a lot of processing power to encode AFAIK, so groups can get stuff released quicker by releasing it in h264.
Also, lower end hardware can't play it very well (hardware decoding of h265 is still not supported on many devices)
h265 won't be fully adopted as the new standard until the vast majority of devices can play it without issues.

Noctosphere · Oct 22, 2018

The Real Jdbye said:
h265 still takes a lot of processing power to encode AFAIK, so groups can get stuff released quicker by releasing it in h264.
Also, lower end hardware can't play it very well (hardware decoding of h265 is still not supported on many devices)
h265 won't be fully adopted as the new standard until the vast majority of devices can play it without issues.

what kind of devices doesn't support it well?
android?
pc?
ps4/xbo?

smf · Oct 22, 2018

Noctosphere said:
what kind of devices doesn't support it well?
android?
pc?
ps4/xbo?

ps3, I haven't really tried using ps4 for media playing as the build in one isn as nice as movian.

Engezerstorung · Oct 22, 2018

hell, ps4 cant read h265 ;_;

The Real Jdbye · Oct 22, 2018

Noctosphere said:
what kind of devices doesn't support it well?
android?
pc?
ps4/xbo?

Many android devices, media boxes, smart TVs.
Lower end PCs I would expect to have some trouble with software decoding.
No idea about PS4/XB.

Noctosphere · Oct 22, 2018

Well, all devices you guys named, I never had problem with them when I used Plex on them
PS3, Idk, but ps4, no problem
I still have Plex on Android, and no problem with x265
same for Roku

Localhorst86 · Oct 22, 2018

Noctosphere said:
Well, all devices you guys named, I never had problem with them when I used Plex on them
PS3, Idk, but ps4, no problem
I still have Plex on Android, and no problem with x265
same for Roku

doesn't PLEX re-encode the video?

Noctosphere · Oct 22, 2018

Localhorst86 said:
doesn't PLEX re-encode the video?

oh yea youre right^^
Encoding is made in the server (on my computer)
but I can play easily even while watching Plex
And my CPU isn't high end
Intel i7-2600 3.4ghz only

Engezerstorung · Oct 22, 2018

yeah, plex re-encode, thats why i use plex to read h265 stuff on my ps4, but if you try to read them directly it doesnt work (it can range from having sound but no video to file not working at all)

Localhorst86 · Oct 22, 2018

Noctosphere said:
oh yea youre right^^
Encoding is made in the server (on my computer)
but I can play easily even while watching Plex
And my CPU isn't high end
Intel i7-2600 3.4ghz only

that CPU has plenty enough power to decode h.265 fairly quickly. And I think it also has a dedicated h.264 encoder to quickly encode it on the fly.

Noctosphere · Oct 22, 2018

Localhorst86 said:
that CPU has plenty enough power to decode h.265 fairly quickly. And I think it also has a dedicated h.264 encoder to quickly encode it on the fly.

I see...
well, thanks guys

duwen · Oct 22, 2018

Much like audio formats, new video formats rarely completely replace older ones.
x264 remains a better format for encoding dvd video.
Mpg formats are still best for initial rips of analog formats.
When it comes to HD formats, those with the most widespread use (dictated by the hardware used for playback) will always be the most successful.
People still aren't getting the most out of the x265 format to make it much of a serious successor; video quality is equal to x264 with the only improvement being reduced file size... I'll take a larger file size over having to replace my 4k hd Android smart tv anyday.

Syren1 · Oct 23, 2018

Hi,
Some people (including me) use Raspberry for Tv Mediacenter (Libreelec, Osmc). Can't decoding x265 with it.

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