Intellivision Amico announced, boldly claims that it'll have better 2D graphics than the PS4 or XB1

Pickle_Rick · Oct 22, 2018

Sounds interesting. But how does one render "better 2D graphics"? I mean the XB1 has Cuphead and that's literal cell animation. All three consoles have Sonic Mania. Which looks great and is completely 100% software rendered too. I don't get the claim.

GamerzHell9137 · Oct 22, 2018

Better 2D than PS4Bone? What? PS4Bone isn't limited to 2D layers or anything so i have no idea what they mean with "better 2D games". Do they have their own Engine or something that's coming with the dev units?
The only way to make better 2D on the console is if the system was more powerful than PS4Bone.

Burlsol · Oct 22, 2018

Naendow said:
I haven't looked on the controller before. What can you do with a touchpad and one button today?

Depending on the size and number of detected inputs per region, a touchpad can act as a full controller in some cases. Playing PSX games on your phone using the touchscreen for most inputs is something you can already do. While this might not be conducive to hardcore gaming needing split second complex inputs, it does function reasonably well for most applications.

XDel · Oct 22, 2018

Better than an Nvidia card from the distant future!!!

DarkCoffe64 · Oct 22, 2018

I guess that statement could be true, I mean, are there 2d games on modern consoles anymore? :v
If we talk triple A games, that is.

Captain_N · Oct 22, 2018

They did not claim it has better 2d graphics then a snes....

marazzmatika · Oct 22, 2018

That is a bit dumb. Saying about best sprites is just feels not right.

Enryx25 · Oct 22, 2018

So games like Cuphead, Sonic Mania and Octopath Traveler?

medoli900 · Oct 22, 2018

Is this real life? Are we in Game Dev Tycoon all of a sudden? This sounds just like the new console announcement that you'd find in Game Dev Tycoon.

WhiteMaze · Oct 22, 2018

Song of storms said:
With that claim, they probably meant 2D graphics with a lot of details. Something that technically wasn't that much explored, as indie devs will usually play with big sprite tiles. Take Stardew Valley, for example. A beautiful game but you just know that it could have been better.

The current gen consoles have been out for enough time to draw conclusions about the state of 2D sprites in the gaming industry and I agree with them. Let's hope that they can actually deliver. I feel like developers have gone the extra mile with 3D models improvements but have never touched 2D games' graphics complexity with that same passion again. But that's not up to Intellivision, rather to the developers that will choose to develop on this system. What's stopping from developers to simply put the same portings on their console?

If the project won't be canceled, it will be interesting.

Exactly. Which is precisely why its hilarious.

Saying the Intellivision Amico has better 2D graphics than the Xbox One or the PS4, is the same as saying that a NES or a Master System have better 8-bit graphics than a PS4 or Xbox One.

:rofl2:

spinal_cord · Oct 22, 2018

Arras said:
But when you can push millions of textured 2d polygons, what's the practical difference?

To the player, very little. To the coder, lots. 3D space doesn't measure anything in pixels, 2D space does, meaning in 3D space it is much harder to line up multiple textures to create a perfect map, which is how 2D games work. With 2D based consoles, the background gfx and sprites are handled by hardware, the coder usually just needs to tell the hardware where in memory the data is held and the hardware does the rest, tiles will be perfectly lined up with no gaps etc and there are far less RAM and CPU requirements. Just because a system has an abundance of horse power, doesn't mean you should waste it.
If you look at some 3D games, the gfx glitches reveal how difficult it is to line up a few poly's next to each other, you will see a line, sometimes less than a pixel wide between the textures. You can't get that in 2D.

In summary, 2D games look and work far better on specifically designed 2D hardware than they do on 3D hardware.

Enryx25 said:
Octopath Traveler

Octopath is very visibly 3D, the textures do not resize evenly and they have horrible artefacts when moving.

smf · Oct 22, 2018

WhiteMaze said:
Saying the Intellivision Amico has better 2D graphics than the Xbox One or the PS4, is the same as saying that a NES or a Master System have better 8-bit graphics than a PS4 or Xbox One.

But they don't, you're letting your ROLFLMAO cloud your logic.

Maybe, just maybe, this does have better 2d graphics than a PS4/X1 but worse 3d graphics.

How exactly would you expect them to sell you that?

"Hey look at our new console, it has worse 3d graphics than the PS4 or X1"?

or do you think, they would do what anyone with half a brain would say and make the claim they did?

If you can't comprehend that it's possible to have better 2d than PS4 or X1 then you have no idea about progress. You know the PS5 will have better 2D than the PS4 right?

Also it was common in the PS1 vs Saturn days to say that the PS1 was better at 3d and the Saturn was better at 2d. So it's not like they've come up with a new way of explaining things.

Pickle_Rick said:
All three consoles have Sonic Mania. Which looks great and is completely 100% software rendered too. I don't get the claim.

Maybe they just mean you don't have to software render it? Which from a developer point of view could be classed as better. We don't know enough about what they actually mean, to be able to work out whether what they claim is true.

Lumstar · Oct 22, 2018

Maybe developers will be more keen on pushing 2D games further with an SDK and system environment tailor made for it.

DarkIrata · Oct 22, 2018

The moment when people are too twisted to understand a marketing joke.. (i mean the boldly claims that it'll have better 2D graphics than the PS4 or XB1 part~)

wiewiec · Oct 22, 2018

DarkIrata said:
The moment when people are too twisted to understand a marketing joke..

Aha, so dev kits are not for devs wanna cash up to 10$ per game? Or I not get the joke :|

sarkwalvein · Oct 22, 2018

DarkIrata said:
The moment when people are too twisted to understand a marketing joke..

That's actually the pose the investors of the company may be making after seeing what a disastrous PR was this type of advertising.
I guess PR people will be fired. If they even exist in this "company".

smf · Oct 22, 2018

DarkIrata said:
The moment when people are too twisted to understand a marketing joke..

Don't you have to be twisted to think it is a marketing joke?

There are quite a few people excited about this who think that 3d took off too early.

It could end up being the spiritual successor to the neogeo and saturn, a real 2d sprite power house.

DarkIrata · Oct 22, 2018

wiewiec said:
Aha, so dev kits are not for devs wanna cash up to 10$ per game? Or I not get the joke :|

sarkwalvein said:
That's actually the pose the investors of the company may be making after seeing what a disastrous PR was this type of advertising.
I guess PR people will be fired. If they even exist in this "company".

smf said:
Don't you have to be twisted to think it is a marketing joke?

There are quite a few people excited about this who think that 3d took off too early.

It could end up being the spiritual successor to the neogeo and saturn, a real 2d sprite power house.

Ok, my mistake to not specify that i mean the "boldly claims that it'll have better 2D graphics than the PS4 or XB1" part. Oh boi..

BlackWizzard17 · Oct 22, 2018

That's cool an all but can it outperform 2d graphics better than the sega Saturn? No? Check and mate.

Naster · Oct 22, 2018

What's this a OUYA 2?

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