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The benefits of Brexit - the future of the United Kingdom
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3rd world just like most of the EU states ? , that's why 1M Poles came to the UK.
you should feel sorry for your own country, it has it's own immigration problems and when jobs start going because the UK buy more from the EU than we sell to them.
sure things will be tough at first, the EU fat cats don't want anyone else to leave, but in a few years time the UK will recover and be free from the sprouts in Brussels.
They came because there was work here that the lazy british wouldn't take, those lazy people are the ones who want to leave.
The EU will just sell more to the rest of the world, which is one of the things the flag waving brexiteers say we should be doing. I agree, the EU does a much better job of selling to the rest of the world, because they don't manufacture crap. We can only make cars that don't rust to pieces in a few years because Japanese companies built factories here (and they built them here because we were in the EU and bribed them by letting them build on cheap greenbelt land that wasn't supposed to be built on).
I'm not sure how our economy is actually going to survive with less people, they'll either fudge the figures and let more and more people come here or we'll see a crash.
Things will be tough, fat cat Reese Mogg has predicted it will take 50 years. He'll probably be dead and never see it, but it was all about a grudge his dad (another fat cat) had with John Major. He's rich enough that he doesn't care that it's going to disadvantage the people he and his fat cat friend Farage conned into voting to leave.
They've already voted to ditch the human rights that the EU forced our government to implement, look forward to being sacked if you refuse to work more than 50 hours a week.
Without a doubt the best years of the UK will end when we leave and never return, all because it's much easier to talk people into casual xenophobia than it is be open and tollerant.
I think most brexiters wouldn't care if the IRA came back and started killing people, as long as they could stick two fingers up to foreigners.
This whole brexit thing is a pointless pissing contest, you haven't taken back control. You've taken it from one set of elected people to a smaller set who now have less oversight.
Here's a hint, any time anyone says "Our" (especially the NHS, or Forces) they are hacking your brain. It works amazingly, you can con anyone into anything if you talk about doing it for "Our" whatever. It's all about activating the discrimination and xenophobic parts of the human brain, if you're not looking for it then you'll get suckered every time.
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Nope. You do know how much of a nightmare an Amphibious invasion is, right? We got really really lucky that we pulled off D-Day.
Germany had a pretty shitty navy during WW2, and could never compete with the Royal Navy. Even Hitler knew this, and this is the same Hitler that decided "fuck it!", let's declare war on Russia, while being at war with the UK. And, if for some reason Germany did get lucky, and cross the channel, then what? The Royal Navy will just destroy their supply line, and strand a shit ton of Germans in the UK. The Germans in the UK will just run of out supplies, and get captured by the UK.
your right and one of the reasons Rommel was defeated in El Alamein, lack of supplies and troops.
Hitler had a shitty navy ? Lol you seem to forget those u boats wich Germany needed only one of to sink countless of ships. It's true that they had less cruisers but everytime a cruiser would set out you had couple of u boats going with them defending them and it worked. So Hitler had a shitty navy ? Well tell that to all the battleships that got sunken
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Lack of supplies was one of the reasons why the Germans were also defeated in The Battle of Stalingrad and Hitler must have forgotten why Napoleon was defeated in 1812.
Germany did have a shitty navy, and they only had 2 landing crafts that could maybe make it across the channel is 1940, and they were both prototypes, lol. I'm well aware Nazi Germany harassed and destroyed UK supply ships. But Germany could never compete with the UK's navy. Once again, it was a miracle that D-Day happened. Hitler was not going to make it across the channel.
If Germany wanted a decent navy to compete with the UK, they'd have to cut back on other things, like tanks. Which was a no go, because they had to invade the Soviets. Germany could barely keep up with tank production, let alone making a navy to compete with the UK's giant fleet.
Pretty much a video on this.
You calling it a shitty navy is purely biased. For one they had to demolish all ships they had after losing world war 1 and secondly they had 30 cruisers in world war 2. The navy size was around 35 40 percent that of the Brittish navy wish is a feat in itself to develop that large of a navy in only a couple of years. U boats by itself were destroying Brittish ships over and over again so for you to call them a shitty navy is wrong. A shitty navy itself wouldn't have had the power to constantly destroy ships. Military power doesn't rely on sheer numbers but the technology behind them. I think U boats showed that fact enough. They also were making around 2400 transfer barges to transport tanks over the canal and such
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I am not entirely sure where you are heading with that.
Stuff like the Bismarck-class stuff was of notable quality but so few in number. Numbers very much are a thing if you are of broadly comparable quality (it was not a pre-dreadnought vs dreadnought situation here, though if you want to look at numbers it will note two of them in the mix here) and it is not like you can knock them out over months with the right design -- get a decent design for the materials you have* and you can stamp out a thousand machine guns a day, still going to be years if you even have the locations to do it (Germany did not have many, even occupied lands were not so hot).
Numbers because I mentioned them (I would also say the 30-40% thing is possibly a bit dubious)
https://ww2-weapons.com/fleets-1939/
https://ww2-weapons.com/german-kriegsmarine/
*WW2 era Germany lacking many of the nice alloying materials here which was reflected in a lot of designs (a lot of stamped sheet metal and not so many high end forgings).
Submarines were a fierce foe for many a merchant navy and navy, and represented a threat to various things. The efficacy was diminished rapidly as time went on, it is a longer video but covers good stuff
If you are going to want to talk build/armament quality and training wise then some decent stuff and shitty would be a hard sell. Tactics wise it might depend upon the person you are speaking to but far from out and out hopeless. Total force projection, ability to sustain damage, ability to match forces and otherwise gain superiority or supremacy in notable theatres for notable timeframes? Shitty works here.
I would also refer back to the earlier video for it covers some of their state there
https://gbatemp.net/threads/the-ben...the-united-kingdom.505315/page-2#post-8341096
Similarly the means by which the Treaty of Versailles stuff was worked around is fascinating (tank training in Russia being a great jumping off point) but I think you might be doing that part of history a disservice but treating it the way you do.
Same guy as before but still good and provides a nice overview of things here
If your unhappy with Brexit then immigrate to Europe and live.
I will fish in my own backyard again.
I will sell my sugar to whoever.
I will trade with whoever.
No we wont be taking in terrorists Lunatics.
No I will invest my Billons in Britain not Europa and we can have a trade deal with Trump and together make America and Britain Great Again.
Sure we can renegotiate a trade deal but no you dont own Britain.
I will fish in my own backyard again.
I will sell my sugar to whoever.
I will trade with whoever.
No we wont be taking in terrorists Lunatics.
No I will invest my Billons in Britain not Europa and we can have a trade deal with Trump and together make America and Britain Great Again.
Sure we can renegotiate a trade deal but no you dont own Britain.
You do know that there isn't going to be a trade deal without the UK paying that amount of moneym even not in the future. The Union already stated that a million times. Most of your main companies already set up headquarters in the Union because of the Brexit. A lot of products you use today are from the Union so you will see those products going up double in price. Houses prices are going way down and keep going down making people who invested in housing or buying a house as a future investment lose tons of money. You'll also have a big shortage of medicine beginning first since all medicine in the UK is mostly bought from the Union. The scientific research UK does will have problems since most scientists already said they can't survive without the Union funding all their projects, half a billion pounds will be lost only regarding that. 85 percent of British scientists including nobel price winners are leaving the UK and immigrating to other countries in the Union. And there's so much more, i really don't think you know what a hard brexit means wich is gonna happen probably instead of a soft brexit. Well enjoy that overpriced sugar atleast.
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Switzerland is not part of the EU and has free trade agreements with them. They have 2x the GDP per capita of UK’s. And exports 10x as much per head compared to UK. They are amoung the most prosperous economies in the world.
You don’t need trade agreements to trade. UK trades plenty with China and Japan and have no agreements with them.
The EU is seen as centralized monsters.
Sure leaving the EU the markets will be more volatile and housing prices will go down, having some difficulties while they adjust. But I think all this would be moot. They have a chance to be more like Switzerland and have a bottom up approach rather then top down planning.
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Switzerland also didn't fuck over the union like you're doing though. It's not going to be that easy for you. Nothing of value to offer. Worst case, EU might punish those that would make a good deal for you, meaning you get nothing. If it's all of EU or UK, no economy in the world will favor you
They also have a trade deal while the UK doesn't because that's what a hard brexit means in terms compared to a soft brexit. There's no extra tax importing and exporting from Switzerland to the union back and forth while there is gonna be with the UK in terms of a hard brexit wich is gonna happen. Switzerland also allows free travel from and to switzerland and Europeans can freely immigrate in Switzerland and visa versa so in that terms it is like a union country. In the the end it isn't the union that left the UK but the UK that left the union. UK is acting like a spoiled brat in a shop that doesn't get the toys he/she wanted and then goes on a tantrum still demanding the toys that it wants and it won't stop till it gets that. The Brexit could also be seen as a divorce while one party wants everything leaving the other party empty handed. It doesn't work that way, the UK left the union and not the other way around. The Union doesn't need to give any shit but the UK does.
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explaining the reality of things isn't scaremongering.Enough Scare Mongering Everything will be fine and like I said those that dont like it can Immigrate
4 years from now, you're gonna be whining and bitching about how bad life has become in the uk and the politicians responsible for it will have left the sinking ship, so instead of being dense about this, you could at least go and make sure the ones responsible get what they deserve while you still could
The guy being responsible did as soon as it happened. Nigel Farage is the biggest coward in British history because he left with his tail between his legs as soon as it was set in motion and left it up to others to deal with all the shit.
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