Hacking Nintendo Switch Banning Hub & Warning

sorabora · Oct 7, 2018

lufeig said:
if you update fuseless, as soon as you boot OFW to play online, the fuses will be blown

Wait...with how buggy SXOS is in and of itself, not to mention when using homebrew, I get hard system crashes all the time. When that happens, the system always reboots into OFW.

Doesn't that mean if you update your CFW fuseless, any one crash will lead to burned fuses?

Craftyawesome · Oct 7, 2018

sorabora said:
Wait...with how buggy SXOS is in and of itself, not to mention when using homebrew, I get hard system crashes all the time. When that happens, the system always reboots into OFW.

Doesn't that mean if you update your CFW fuseless, any one crash will lead to burned fuses?

You are supposed to enable autorcm AFAIK. It wont boot then.

sorabora · Oct 7, 2018

Craftyawesome said:
You are supposed to enable autorcm AFAIK. It wont boot then.

Ah, that makes sense, thank you. Not a huge fan of auto RCM but I'm still on 5.1 so we'll see once it's time to move onto 6.0.

Aldath · Oct 7, 2018

Ok guys some questions of what to do in case of a CDN ban.

First of all, whenever I want to isntall the update of a game I already have, do I have to download the full game again (this time updated) as .xci?

Second. I see that in order to install updates using ChoiDujour, I need to use AutoRCM. I'm really, really afraid of AutoRCM as both times I've used it it hasn't worked properly so... Is there any way to install updates without it? Why should I care about burnt fuses?

I'm using 6.0 btw.

Draxzelex · Oct 7, 2018

Aldath said:
Ok guys some questions of what to do in case of a CDN ban.

First of all, whenever I want to isntall the update of a game I already have, do I have to download the full game again (this time updated) as .xci?

Second. I see that in order to install updates using ChoiDujour, I need to use AutoRCM. I'm really, really afraid of AutoRCM as both times I've used it it hasn't worked properly so... Is there any way to install updates without it? Why should I care about burnt fuses?

I'm using 6.0 btw.

You download the updates in .NSP format and install them using a title installer such as Rommenu (built into SX OS and downloadable separately as an NSP), DevMenu (copyrighted Nintendo application), Tinfoil (highly recommended homebrew), or dOPUS (a combination of Tinfoil & 4NXCI).

For firmware updates, you can install them with ChoiDujour/ChoiDujourNX (the former is an exe while the latter is a homebrew app). Also there is absolutely no reason to be afraid of AutoRCM and it is in fact more useful than not as it can save you some wear and tear on your pins. If the pins become permanently damaged, you will have to buy a new Switch or replace them manually. As for fuses, these are used for downgrade prevention so if they are not burnt, you can load lower firmwares without using RCM and bypassing the fuse check.

Philourer · Oct 7, 2018

alexj9626 said:
Thanks and.... Have you been banned? Or tried any online game?

Not banned, and I was playing a "legit" xci backup. Haven't tried that since I was on 5.1.0, but have been online recently (to check ban status, still have eshop access).

alexj9626 · Oct 7, 2018

Philourer said:
Not banned, and I was playing a "legit" xci backup. Haven't tried that since I was on 5.1.0, but have been online recently (to check ban status, still have eshop access).

Thanks! So as Draxz said, that error code is probably "safe". Good to know.

Philourer · Oct 8, 2018

Ok, bored and no SX OS 2.1 yet. I tried 2.0 and it was horribly buggy, so not going to do that for now.

I'm either going to use my "iffy" 6.0 Switch and play online using a legit xci backup with SX OS 1.9, or upgrade my (almost) totally virgin Switch to 6.0, keeping fuse count at 6 and AutoRCM installed (so I'll be looking at a way to get hekate to boot straight into OFW). If there's a specific scenario you want tested, let me know, I might do it as long as I'm no more than slightly uncomfortable doing it (installing legit xci as nsp, maybe...anything mentioning devmenu, I'm not THAT stupid!).

huma_dawii · Oct 8, 2018

Philourer said:
Ok, bored and no SX OS 2.1 yet. I tried 2.0 and it was horribly buggy, so not going to do that for now.

I'm either going to use my "iffy" 6.0 Switch and play online using a legit xci backup with SX OS 1.9, or upgrade my (almost) totally virgin Switch to 6.0, keeping fuse count at 6 and AutoRCM installed (so I'll be looking at a way to get hekate to boot straight into OFW). If there's a specific scenario you want tested, let me know, I might do it as long as I'm no more than slightly uncomfortable doing it (installing legit xci as nsp, maybe...anything mentioning devmenu, I'm not THAT stupid!).

I'm testing XCI loading only and updates over OFW only.... you could test NSP only? (although I'm more than sure NSP leads to ban almost instantly) you could test NSP Rightless (Ticketless and certless) only!

Philourer · Oct 8, 2018

huma_dawii said:
I'm testing XCI loading only and updates over OFW only.... you could test NSP only? (although I'm more than sure NSP leads to ban almost instantly) you could test NSP Rightless (Ticketless and certless) only!

Are you using SX OS 2.0 or 1.9? That's exactly what I did in 5.1.0 (load xci and play online, but install updates in OFW).

If I tried nsp, it'd be the ones that supposedly look like a cart (I'd convert my legit xci backups). No way I'll install an obviously non-legit nsp on a Switch I plan to take online, that's one step below using devmenu and clearing logs. Only willing to test something we're not already 50% sure will cause a ban.

huma_dawii · Oct 8, 2018

Philourer said:
Are you using SX OS 2.0 or 1.9? That's exactly what I did in 5.1.0 (load xci and play online, but install updates in OFW).

If I tried nsp, it'd be the ones that supposedly look like a cart (I'd convert my legit xci backups). No way I'll install an obviously non-legit nsp on a Switch I plan to take online, that's one step below using devmenu and clearing logs. Only willing to test something we're not already 50% sure will cause a ban.

Using 1.9, 2.0 crashes a lot for me.

Whole lotta love · Oct 8, 2018

Is it known if there's an increased been risk of using Homebrew nsp's (like retroarch) vs running Homebrew from the Homebrew launcher?

Draxzelex · Oct 8, 2018

Whole lotta love said:
Is it known if there's an increased been risk of using Homebrew nsp's (like retroarch) vs running Homebrew from the Homebrew launcher?

There have been plenty of people not banned for using homebrew .NSP files despite going online with them installed. Additionally, there are an increased numbers of users who were banned for using homebrew only on firmware 6.0 without touching .NSP files. So as strange as it sounds, the data suggests that homebrew .NSP files are safer than homebrew .NRO files

D-Jay · Oct 8, 2018

Philourer said:
I tried 2.0 and it was horribly buggy

What's so buggy for you? I use it on 3 Switches and it works like a charm.

LucioDragon · Oct 8, 2018

Gonna update my case, not much change tho
Banned? N
Did you use/restore a clean hack-free NAND before going online? N
Can you use the eShop on the Switch? Y
If you cannot access the eShop, when was the last time you were able to?
Do you get an error code trying to update your games? N
Do you get error code 2137-7403 trying to update your system firmware? N
Can you login to Nintendo's website using your linked Nintendo Account? Y
SX OS used? Y
Did you make an SX OS EmuNAND with a clean hack-free NAND then stay offline with it? N
Trimmed .XCI? Y
Did you connect to the Internet with SX OS and/or to activate the license? Y
Did you play any .XCI files online with a certificate/header? N
Do you have a certificate/header ban (look for error code 2124-4025)? N
Lowest SX Version used when Online/Offline (NOT Switch System Firmware)? 1.1
What do you use Non-TX LayeredFS for? N
Did you connect to the Internet with a non-TX LayeredFS Inject? N
Played online w/ Non-TX Layered FS Injects? N
Did you inject an .XCI certificate using LayeredFS to play online? N
Used DevMenu? N
Installed any .NSP? N
Did you connect to the Internet w/ any .NSP installed? N
Did you play any .NSP installed online? N
Did you perform any CDN/Freeshop downloading with your own Switch's certificate? N
Did you update your .XCI/.NSP games online? OFW
Homebrew/non-TX CFW Used? Y(Specify homebrew used/crashes) CHECKPOINT
Connect to Internet w/ homebrew/non-TX CFW? N
Connect to eShop while using CFW/homebrew? N
AutoRCM? N
Did you update your firmware using ChoiDujour or ChoiDujourNX? N
Did you install the exFAT update offline? N
receive-lp1.dg.srv.nintendo.net blocked and/or "Don't Share Usage Information" ticked under "Other Settings"? N
Do you have eclct disabled (look for pm.kip under sysmodules/modules)? N
Do you have creport enabled (look for a folder named 0100000000000036 under titles)? N
What firmware(s) were you on when you cleared error logs prior to going online? N
Wi-Fi settings deleted in CFW? N
Console/Account Region(s)
What device(s) do you use to send payloads with? SX pro device i guess
Do you enter RCM by bridging pins 9 & 10 together? N
If Banned, provide proof (video preferred)
Additional Comments
To play nsp games i use the nut cleaner to turn them into xci and play as normal.
Keep playing between my legal games online in ofw and xci games offline in cfw

nille · Oct 9, 2018

Draxzelex said:
it can save you some wear and tear on your pins. If the pins become permanently damaged, you will have to buy a new Switch or replace them manually.

If you're using a Jig, with pins the same height as the right joycon pins are, nothing should happen to the switchs pins. That would mean you should watch out for attaching and detaching the joycons not too often.
Is the banrisk not even higher with AutoCRM enabled?

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D-Jay said:
What's so buggy for you? I use it on 3 Switches and it works like a charm.

I had lots of problems on 2.0 (EmuNand) on various games. They just freezed every now and then.
Now on 2.0.1 all games that I've tried since yesterday work like a charm. I even feels like they load faster, but this might just be subjective.

Draxzelex · Oct 9, 2018

nille said:
If you're using a Jig, with pins the same height as the right joycon pins are, nothing should happen to the switchs pins. That would mean you should watch out for attaching and detaching the joycons not too often.
Is the banrisk not even higher with AutoCRM enabled?

Yes however there's no evidence to point that Nintendo are detecting AutoRCM otherwise people would be banned for just having it installed. I also have a paperclip as I'm too cheap to afford a jig but I've managed to avoid permanent damage to my pins...for now.

Raikkonen94 · Oct 9, 2018

Banned? Not when I checked the last time, which was about a week ago.

Did you use/restore a clean hack-free NAND before going online? N
Can you use the eShop on the Switch? Y
If you cannot access the eShop, when was the last time you were able to?
Do you get an error code trying to update your games? N
Do you get error code 2137-7403 trying to update your system firmware? N
Can you login to Nintendo's website using your linked Nintendo Account? Y
SX OS used? Y
Did you make an SX OS EmuNAND with a clean hack-free NAND then stay offline with it? N
Trimmed .XCI? N
Did you connect to the Internet with SX OS and/or to activate the license? N
Did you play any .XCI files online with a certificate/header? N
Do you have a certificate/header ban (look for error code 2124-4025)? N
Lowest SX Version used when Online/Offline (NOT Switch System Firmware)? 1.4
What do you use Non-TX LayeredFS for? N
Did you connect to the Internet with a non-TX LayeredFS Inject? N
Played online w/ Non-TX Layered FS Injects? N
Did you inject an .XCI certificate using LayeredFS to play online? N
Used DevMenu? Y
Installed any .NSP? Y
Did you connect to the Internet w/ any .NSP installed? Y
Did you play any .NSP installed online? N
Did you perform any CDN/Freeshop downloading with your own Switch's certificate? N
Did you update your .XCI/.NSP games online? Both (only once on CFW by accident, updated all my XCIs in OFW back when I still used SX OS but I never updated NSP files)
Homebrew/non-TX CFW Used? Y(I switched from SX OS to ReiNX a couple of weeks ago. On SX OS I used VBA-next and pSNES. On ReiNX I use tinfoil and Checkpoint)
Connect to Internet w/ homebrew/non-TX CFW? N
Connect to eShop while using CFW/homebrew? N
AutoRCM? N
Did you update your firmware using ChoiDujour or ChoiDujourNX? N
Did you install the exFAT update offline? N
receive-lp1.dg.srv.nintendo.net blocked and/or "Don't Share Usage Information" ticked under "Other Settings"? Y
Do you have eclct disabled (look for pm.kip under sysmodules/modules)? N
Do you have creport enabled (look for a folder named 0100000000000036 under titles)? N
What firmware(s) were you on when you cleared error logs prior to going online? N
Wi-Fi settings deleted in CFW? Y
Console/Account Region(s) EU
What device(s) do you use to send payloads with? PC (TegraRCM)
Do you enter RCM by bridging pins 9 & 10 together? N
If Banned, provide proof (video preferred)

Additional Comments: I initially used SX OS. Always remained offline in CFW, and only went online in OFW to update XCI backups (I always deleted my internet settings afterwards). After using SX OS for about three months (not banned), I switched to ReiNX because I kept having errors every now and then. Because I only use NSPs now, I don't update them in OFW. Last week, the Overcooked 2 DLC came out (a game I bought from the eShop) so I hoped I was not banned to buy the DLC and fortunately I wasn't (connected to the eShop in OFW). A day later I checked again and still had access (bought Stardew Valley from the eShop). Since then I remained offline and I'd like to keep it that way. I'm still expecting a ban to be handed out sooner or later though, otherwise I would never have tried to run CFW if online was that important to me.

Draxzelex · Oct 9, 2018

I've now included an FAQ section seeing as how I don't directly answer a lot of the most common banning-related questions in one tab for noobs to peruse. Feel free to suggest any questions that should go in there!

TechDark · Oct 9, 2018

Just got banned here aswelland as I called Nintendo they said my account was setup as a different region...

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