Hacking Discussion PSA: Do not update to a new firmware immediately (e.g. 6.0)

Draxzelex · Sep 24, 2018

Wurstmann said:
So with SX emunand is this old news? Because now you can just upgrade as early as possible to the newest firmware in emunand and if there are problems you simply downgrade? Should be the perfect tool for testing new firmwares in a safe environment.

Maybe but downgrading/updating with ChoiDujourNX and/or ChoiDujour is pretty simple nonetheless. Also, patching EmuNAND is usually broken before SysNAND is meaning EmuNAND may get patched out on a higher firmware revision but SysNAND may be able to launch just fine. We'll have to wait and see but updating to a new firmware immediately is still a bad idea, EmuNAND or not.

KHEOPS · Sep 24, 2018

We'll have to wait and see but updating to a new firmware immediately is still a bad idea, EmuNAND or not.

I fully agree with you, I defended this point of view here, somewhere, but people were not happy, they told me that 6.0 was more stable etc....
I was answering how did you get the perspective on the stability of a system, when the leak had just been made? Ridiculous
Especially since I've never had any problems with 5.1.0
Only homebrews have crashed, everything that is nintendo, is super stable

And yes I am in 5.1.0 and yes I don't care about the fw 6.0 that this firmware brings me in addition to offline?
Can I make longer videos?
Improvement of the interface?
Games in 6.0 available?
In short, anything goes, and I think like sciresM

tl;dr: Don't pirate games -- it will lead to your console being banned from going online, and every banned early-hardware-revision switch is an enormous waste.

stewacide · Sep 24, 2018

Any reason to think Nintendo is/isn't looking for autorcm as a sure-fire sign of hacking in 6.0? Seems like such a simple, fool-proof thing they could check, and they had plenty of notice to implement that.

KHEOPS · Sep 24, 2018

Nand complete, boot0,boot1,rawnand.bin

Auto rcm modifies the boot partition, And that's what is detected ( =ban)
the nsp modifies the nand, that's what is detected etc.... (Ban)

Rcm is undetectable to it (no modification is written on boot partition,and not all driver is loading )
As if Microsoft could see that you are in the bios of your pc windows 10

ollicnat · Sep 24, 2018

KHEOPS said:
Nand complete, boot0,boot1,rawnand.bin

Auto rcm modifies the boot partition, And that's what is detected ( =ban)
the nsp modifies the nand, that's what is detected etc.... (Ban)

Rcm is undetectable to it (no modification is written on boot partition,and not all driver is loading )
As if Microsoft could see that you are in the bios of your pc windows 10

Hi I have already read a lot of your posts, what do you recommend to play backups in cfws, and have a posibility to play online in a future. Are you using sx or another cfw,
It would be usefull if your will creat a new post with all your recomendations and steps. Thanks.

Ashura66 · Sep 24, 2018

ollicnat said:
Hi I have already read a lot of your posts, what do you recommend to play backups in cfws, and have a posibility to play online in a future. Are you using sx or another cfw,
It would be usefull if your will creat a new post with all your recomendations and steps. Thanks.

Forget the online, it's not going to happen. Literally ALL the CFW can run backups, it's just a matter of how technical you are. If you don't mind taking more time and doing some mild tinkering then go with the free alternatives. If you prefer something more simple and don't mind buying it, then go for SX OS

bundat · Sep 24, 2018

ollicnat said:
Hi I have already read a lot of your posts, what do you recommend to play backups in cfws, and have a posibility to play online in a future.

Not the guy you were talking to, but I've talked about this in length in the past, here are a couple of my posts about this subject:
https://gbatemp.net/threads/xecuter-sx-pro-intial-setup.516619/page-2#post-8266478
https://gbatemp.net/threads/question-regarding-cfw-and-ofw.517013/#post-8259467

But the relevant part is this:

bundat said:
ALWAYS follow these steps IN ORDER:

delete your WiFi settings

make NAND backup

if you EVER want to go online, even in OFW, restore NAND backup first

if you want to use CFW, you need to redo steps 1-3, i.e. make a NEW NAND backup

It doesn't matter what CFW you use, whether SX OS, ReiNX, or RajNX. When you make a NAND backup, this is like making a "save state" of your Switch's current state. So you can undo anything that can leave detectable traces of hacking in your NAND by restoring your backup. As long as you've never gone online since the backup was made (because logs going missing is ALSO detectable, as people have been banned for clearing their logs before).

I recommend using Hekate ONLY for making the backup, since it has been tried and tested, and is the most reliable way to backup AND restore your NAND (even tools like ReINX toolkit have reports of NAND backups failing like here, just use Hekate).

Also note, when you restore a NAND backup, you lose all progress in your saves (or any new saves) since the backup was made, you lose any newly installed games and/or updates since the backup was made... it's like your Switch went back in time to when the backup was made.

jslay · Sep 26, 2018

aiat_gamer said:
I just love how people talk here like they know exactly how Nintendo detects and bans switches. No one knows exactly how they do it, stop making things out of thin air.

Umm, there is plenty of precedent of Nintendo doing this... but ok. I am not here to convince people of anything. What does claiming something I don't know benefit me? I don't understand

aiat_gamer · Sep 26, 2018

jslay said:
Umm, there is plenty of precedent of Nintendo doing this... but ok. I am not here to convince people of anything. What does claiming something I don't know benefit me? I don't understand

That evidence is just as they call it, hearsay. And what exactly you don`t understand? Unless you know for a fact that how it works, you are just parroting others who do the same thing.

Anitsu · Sep 26, 2018

if i did the update (decided to go full hack after iv'e seen the awful new online service)
what is my best choice? RajNX ?

jslay · Sep 26, 2018

aiat_gamer said:
That evidence is just as they call it, hearsay. And what exactly you don`t understand? Unless you know for a fact that how it works, you are just parroting others who do the same thing.

Its been documented on multiple occasions by reputable sources on the wikis. I don't need to reinvent the wheel to explain how a wheel works....

But like I said, I have nothing to gain by it. I couldn't give 2 shits if I get praise from anyone around here. I just wanted to point out your stupidity for parroting the other idiots that go around saying you don't know what you are talking about... smh. Do you have evidence Nintendo doesn't do this outside of the documented cases? Otherwise, you are supposedly in the same boat you want to put me in...

Now do you see your stupidity?

There is a reason people that do know what they are talking about don't even try to speak up anymore, because of the scene being overrun by morons such as yourself. This whole scene has become a pissing contest. Ill just keep RE this console and keep to myself so I don't have to deal with morons like you anymore.

aiat_gamer · Sep 27, 2018

jslay said:
Its been documented on multiple occasions by reputable sources on the wikis. I don't need to reinvent the wheel to explain how a wheel works....

But like I said, I have nothing to gain by it. I couldn't give 2 shits if I get praise from anyone around here. I just wanted to point out your stupidity for parroting the other idiots that go around saying you don't know what you are talking about... smh. Do you have evidence Nintendo doesn't do this outside of the documented cases? Otherwise, you are supposedly in the same boat you want to put me in...

Now do you see your stupidity?

There is a reason people that do know what they are talking about don't even try to speak up anymore, because of the scene being overrun by morons such as yourself. This whole scene has become a pissing contest. Ill just keep RE this console and keep to myself so I don't have to deal with morons like you anymore.

I have not idea what you are rambling about, except just throwing out insults after another. Did I hit a nerve there buddy?
I don`t any evidence, and from what I have seen no one has either. There are many people with stuff on their SD card who did not get banned, there are who have. Any rational person I talked to here said that various stuff can or cannot get you banned, no one knows for sure.
Also, say moron a few more times to really hammer the point

jslay · Sep 27, 2018

aiat_gamer said:
I have not idea what you are rambling about, except just throwing out insults after another. Did I hit a nerve there buddy?
I don`t any evidence, and from what I have seen no one has either. There are many people with stuff on their SD card who did not get banned, there are who have. Any rational person I talked to here said that various stuff can or cannot get you banned, no one knows for sure.
Also, say moron a few more times to really hammer the point

No, I'm not pissed. Just pointing out the moronic nature of your posts and train of thought. But if you want to ignore precedent and previous peoples bans on the 3DS, that's your choice.

So I will ask you what you are asking me, please quit telling people to ignore known ban methods from Nintendo. You don't know what you are talking about (read your quote if you need a reminder you admitted you don't know what you are talking about).

I never said they are doing it now, I merely pointed out to the one particular person that if they are going to be going through all this effort of restoring NAND every time they go into OFW so they don't get banned, then they might as well take the extra effort in using a different SD card for OFW as well.

Keep stroking it over there bud.

Scipio_ · Sep 27, 2018

bundat said:
Not the guy you were talking to, but I've talked about this in length in the past, here are a couple of my posts about this subject:
https://gbatemp.net/threads/xecuter-sx-pro-intial-setup.516619/page-2#post-8266478
https://gbatemp.net/threads/question-regarding-cfw-and-ofw.517013/#post-8259467

But the relevant part is this:
It doesn't matter what CFW you use, whether SX OS, ReiNX, or RajNX. When you make a NAND backup, this is like making a "save state" of your Switch's current state. So you can undo anything that can leave detectable traces of hacking in your NAND by restoring your backup. As long as you've never gone online since the backup was made (because logs going missing is ALSO detectable, as people have been banned for clearing their logs before).

I recommend using Hekate ONLY for making the backup, since it has been tried and tested, and is the most reliable way to backup AND restore your NAND (even tools like ReINX toolkit have reports of NAND backups failing like here, just use Hekate).

Also note, when you restore a NAND backup, you lose all progress in your saves (or any new saves) since the backup was made, you lose any newly installed games and/or updates since the backup was made... it's like your Switch went back in time to when the backup was made.

Will there ever a be an easier process than this? Something like switching between CFW and OFW seamlessly that's not detectable.

Ratatattat · Oct 30, 2018

8BitWonder said:
You can extract the update partition from cartridge dumps (.xcis) and use those to update with ChoidujourNX.
Unless you meant actually booting an xci dump and trying to update from that, I wouldn't know if that works or not. (I assume it does)

Still searching for a tutorial or program that extracts the backup partition of a Switch cartridge or .xci. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I have probably overlooked the obvious.

wurstpistole · Oct 30, 2018

8BitWonder said:
You can extract the update partition from cartridge dumps (.xcis) and use those to update with ChoidujourNX.
Unless you meant actually booting an xci dump and trying to update from that, I wouldn't know if that works or not. (I assume it does)

Only if the game doesn't require a new firmware's master key. SX OS can not mount those xci's, for this to work the Switch has to be on the appropriate fw version. But updating with ChoiDuJourNX is easy enough, acquiring update files is as well.

Adran_Marit · Oct 30, 2018

Ratatattat said:
Still searching for a tutorial or program that extracts the backup partition of a Switch cartridge or .xci. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I have probably overlooked the obvious.

just search the firmware on xbins or there are discords with it

8BitWonder · Oct 30, 2018

Ratatattat said:
Still searching for a tutorial or program that extracts the backup partition of a Switch cartridge or .xci. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I have probably overlooked the obvious.

Here's how I dump .xci partitions:

1) Place a populated prod.keys file in .switch\ (You can get this file with kezplez-nx)
2) Grab hactool and extract it to a folder
2) Place your .xci in the same folder as hactool.exe
3) Open a terminal window/command prompt in that folder
4) Enter "hactool.exe -x -txci YOUR_XCI.xci --outdir=Extracted_XCI" (With "YOUR_XCI" being replaced with the .xci name)
5) The extracted partitions are in Extracted_XCI\

If you're looking for ease of use, here's a small batch I wrote a while back.
Just place it into your hactool folder and drag your .xci onto it (the .xci doesn't need to be in the hactool folder)
and it will extract the partitions into Extracted_XCI\.
(Bear in mind you must still have a populated prod.keys at .switch\)

realg123 · Oct 30, 2018

bundat said:
Not the guy you were talking to, but I've talked about this in length in the past, here are a couple of my posts about this subject:
https://gbatemp.net/threads/xecuter-sx-pro-intial-setup.516619/page-2#post-8266478
https://gbatemp.net/threads/question-regarding-cfw-and-ofw.517013/#post-8259467

But the relevant part is this:
It doesn't matter what CFW you use, whether SX OS, ReiNX, or RajNX. When you make a NAND backup, this is like making a "save state" of your Switch's current state. So you can undo anything that can leave detectable traces of hacking in your NAND by restoring your backup. As long as you've never gone online since the backup was made (because logs going missing is ALSO detectable, as people have been banned for clearing their logs before).

I recommend using Hekate ONLY for making the backup, since it has been tried and tested, and is the most reliable way to backup AND restore your NAND (even tools like ReINX toolkit have reports of NAND backups failing like here, just use Hekate).

Also note, when you restore a NAND backup, you lose all progress in your saves (or any new saves) since the backup was made, you lose any newly installed games and/or updates since the backup was made... it's like your Switch went back in time to when the backup was made.

Thank you

aerios169 · Oct 30, 2018

wich are the changes on 6.1? is there any information

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