Hacking Discussion A Clean Way to Play Online

Deleted User · Sep 26, 2018

its a long time that i didnt post anything on gbatemp since i sold my switch , now i am back to buy yet another switch and i am searching for a good way to play online and use homebrew without getting banned

well i went to discord to talk to some devs of ReiNX and we had the same idea make a clean nand backup (yet bevor you launched or installed any kind of homebrew)
which means start Hekate (sorry if misspelled) Backup the Clean Nand without Error Logs etc

Stay Offline on the Modified Nand and Go Back to the Clean Nand to Play Legal Bought games.

i want to know your ideas on that case

ofc a clean nand can be useful once EmuNand is Released (talking about Real Emulation of Nand not a Clone like TX)

Kubas_inko · Sep 26, 2018

This is pretty much the safest thing to do (with only 1 switch).
backup -> hack -> restore -> online

0000ff · Sep 26, 2018

Buy a switch just for online. That's the only truly safe way to play online.

Really.

thaikhoa · Sep 26, 2018

Yes it's well known as an option to connect online.
Emunand is a clone of Sysnand. They could be linked or unlinked between the two. The reason ppl hate SX's Emunand is they use USER partition to store the Emunand data. Some theories said Nin could detect its own nand data regardlessly.

Deleted User · Sep 26, 2018

thaikhoa said:
Yes it's well known as an option to connect online.
Emunand is a clone of Sysnand. They could be linked or unlinked between the two. The reason ppl hate SX's Emunand is they use USER partition to store the Emunand data. Some theories said Nin could detect its own nand data regardlessly.

indeed you are right , people on discord was saying the same (that TX Left an Open Door for Nin)

So the only good way would be Clean > EmuNand > Hack > Fun

Kubas_inko · Sep 26, 2018

Natehaxx said:
indeed you are right , people on discord was saying the same (that TX Left an Open Door for Nin)

So the only good way would be Clean > EmuNand > Hack > Fun

Why the EmuNAND step?
If you have a full backup, there is no need for EmuNAND (if you would restore before going online.

Deleted User · Sep 26, 2018

Kubas_inko said:
Why the EmuNAND step?
If you have a full backup, there is no need for EmuNAND (if you would restore before going online.

because with Emunand you could simply switch between the OS without having to Restore the Nand all the time

Deleted User · Sep 26, 2018

I find the safest way to play online is to not play online. So far its worked.

guitarheroknight · Sep 26, 2018

The best way would be to use an EU account and disable telemetry exclusively with xci files.

Deleted User · Sep 26, 2018

guitarheroknight said:
The best way would be to use an EU account and disable telemetry exclusively with xci files.

what is telemetry ?

Kubas_inko · Sep 26, 2018

Natehaxx said:
what is telemetry ?

Data about your console which are sent to Nintny. One of those is NAND size, so never go online with EmuNAND.

RHOPKINS13 · Sep 26, 2018

The important thing to remember is that every time you decide to start messing with homebrew and CFW, make a new "clean" nand backup first.

Why?

Because otherwise continually restoring the same clean nand backup is detectable based on telemetry. We don't know all of the data that gets passed between Nintendo and the Switch. But lets say there's a field called "Last Time Online" (even if there isn't one, Nintendo could add it in a later update. Error logs and other fields can also cause a similar problem, this is just one example. So you take your clean Switch, let's say the date is September 1st, and you play some legit games online. You make a "clean" NAND backup, use CFW, install NSPs, play backups, etc. Then you restore your switch and play legit games online. No problem. Let's say you played online September 5th, and then afterwards decided to use CFW again. Then, September 15th, you feel like playing online, so you restore your NAND backup that you made from the 1st.

BANHAMMER!

Nintendo's servers last saw your Switch online September 5th, but after restoring your Switch, it thinks the last time it was online was September 1st. This would be easy for Nintendo to detect with telemetry data, and there's really no reason for them not to ban for it. So always make a new clean NAND backup before using CFW.

An even better option? If you're tired of waiting for a "good" emunand solution (I know I am!), go on eBay or aliexpress and order a replacement eMMC module. The board snaps off and on the Switch really easily, there's no soldering required! Make a clean backup of your NAND, restore it to the replacement eMMC, and then use that for all your CFW needs. Just swap them as needed. It's a bit of a pain in the butt taking apart the Switch every time you want to swap the boards, so buy one of those replacement shells for your Switch. Cut yourself out a nice little door you can use to easily swap the eMMC (you'll have to cut some of the metal backing too.) It's a good idea to

Deleted User · Sep 26, 2018

RHOPKINS13 said:
The important thing to remember is that every time you decide to start messing with homebrew and CFW, make a new "clean" nand backup first.

Why?

Because otherwise continually restoring the same clean nand backup is detectable based on telemetry. We don't know all of the data that gets passed between Nintendo and the Switch. But lets say there's a field called "Last Time Online" (even if there isn't one, Nintendo could add it in a later update. Error logs and other fields can also cause a similar problem, this is just one example. So you take your clean Switch, let's say the date is September 1st, and you play some legit games online. You make a "clean" NAND backup, use CFW, install NSPs, play backups, etc. Then you restore your switch and play legit games online. No problem. Let's say you played online September 5th, and then afterwards decided to use CFW again. Then, September 15th, you feel like playing online, so you restore your NAND backup that you made from the 1st.

BANHAMMER!

Nintendo's servers last saw your Switch online September 5th, but after restoring your Switch, it thinks the last time it was online was September 1st. This would be easy for Nintendo to detect with telemetry data, and there's really no reason for them not to ban for it. So always make a new clean NAND backup before using CFW.

An even better option? If you're tired of waiting for a "good" emunand solution (I know I am!), go on eBay or aliexpress and order a replacement eMMC module. The board snaps off and on the Switch really easily, there's no soldering required! Make a clean backup of your NAND, restore it to the replacement eMMC, and then use that for all your CFW needs. Just swap them as needed. It's a bit of a pain in the butt taking apart the Switch every time you want to swap the boards, so buy one of those replacement shells for your Switch. Cut yourself out a nice little door you can use to easily swap the eMMC (you'll have to cut some of the metal backing too.) It's a good idea to

the eMMC solution sounds Great but itsnt a pain in the ass ? well i still have the hopes high for an emunand solution

HideoKojima · Sep 26, 2018

Kubas_inko said:
This is pretty much the safest thing to do (with only 1 switch).
backup -> hack -> restore -> online

I remember that on the long term this will screw your switch

Kubas_inko · Sep 26, 2018

Shalashaska98 said:
I remember that on the long term this will screw your switch

How? Obviously, if you update, you can't then "downgrade" without booting thru RCM. But you can then update again after restoring.

HideoKojima · Sep 26, 2018

Kubas_inko said:
How? Obviously, if you update, you can't then "downgrade" without booting thru RCM. But you can then update again after restoring.

I don't remember who said that from the scene but it's about restoring the nand many times it may affect internal memory, it's similar to formating an SD card.

xabier · Sep 26, 2018

Natehaxx said:
its a long time that i didnt post anything on gbatemp since i sold my switch , now i am back to buy yet another switch and i am searching for a good way to play online and use homebrew without getting banned

well i went to discord to talk to some devs of ReiNX and we had the same idea make a clean nand backup (yet bevor you launched or installed any kind of homebrew)
which means start Hekate (sorry if misspelled) Backup the Clean Nand without Error Logs etc

Stay Offline on the Modified Nand and Go Back to the Clean Nand to Play Legal Bought games.

i want to know your ideas on that case

ofc a clean nand can be useful once EmuNand is Released (talking about Real Emulation of Nand not a Clone like TX)

Clone? Do you know the meaning of the world clone?

Kubas_inko · Sep 26, 2018

Shalashaska98 said:
I don't remember who said that from the scene but it's about restoring the nand many times it may affect internal memory, it's similar to formating an SD card.

Oh, this dude. Yea, maybe after restoring it like 150 000+ times, there might be some damage.
They can survive hundreds of rewrites.

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xabier said:
Clone? Do you know the meaning of the world clone?

TX EmuNAND is like a cheap copy (knock off) of real EmuNAND.
He wants real EmuNAND, which need partitions and such on your SD (probably), not just a few .bin files which are on your NAND.

xabier · Sep 26, 2018

Kubas_inko said:
Oh, this dude. Yea, maybe after restoring it like 150 000+ times, there might be some damage.
They can survive hundreds of rewrites.

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TX EmuNAND is like a cheap copy of real EmuNAND.
He wants real EmuNAND, which need partitions and such on your SD (probably), not just a few .bin files which are on your NAND.

Well there is nothing original to be cloned, and its also a different approach to what you define as real, thus, its not a clone.

Draxzelex · Sep 26, 2018

Uh, I know I'm kinda late to the party but we already knew restoring a clean NAND before going online is the safest way to go.

See here: https://gbatemp.net/threads/nintendo-switch-banning-hub-warning.508710/

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