Hacking Discussion SX EmuNAND is not real EmuNAND.

crissal · Sep 24, 2018

wormdood said:
wont happen sure the thread will need major cleaning but the topic at hand is too important to the switch's cfw scene sure its not the same thing you envision when you think of emunand but if it works it works and it seems like it does but only time will tell if nintendo will counter or if its even updatable (although the fact that they released just after a system update tells me that they probably tested this successfully) but i digress . . . i can however see a temporary thread lock happening (at the very least to allow time to edit out all the pointless bickering) and/or (followed by) the opening of countless poll and reverse engineering threads then a full closer is a possibility but otherwise its here for good

Yeah you're right, in the current state of the threads (this and others pro and con to emuNand) the only way to proceed is a mass-cleaning. What I hate is the fanboys (of both sides) that must conduct a war, not explaining anything, and just contribute to lower the discussion level (like "where's atmosphere" and "tx steals again"), or people that don't know but pretend to know and talk a lot.

tpax · Sep 24, 2018

crissal said:
You fanboys are incredible. I don't know, we showed you a lot of evidences, sites lime switchbrew, tweets from people that decompiled sx os boot.dat to find out what's going on inside that file, comments from devs of the scene, yet you all think this is a conspiracy and/or a way to discredit TX. Fine, get your EmuNand or dual-boot SysNand and get flagged, get banned, get away with it, but just because someone does point out a hole in someone else work it doesn't mean it has to be a cfw-war. @Quantumcat I suggest this thread and the others EmuNand related to be blocked, it's only became a place to post OT and flame. There is none so deaf as he who will not hear, and this is true for both "sides".

The most butthurt group of people on GBATemp are the TX haters (mostly with false accusations). You see them arguing (if you can call it arguing, because for the most part it's childish gibberish) until they fall dead. Hate is their fuel they need to get through the day.

SX users, on the contrary, just share their experiences about using the TX product. And that's OK, because it actually is the best overall package. Without TX you most likely would still have the the kids that are calling themselves "Switch hackers" teasing shit on Youtube or Twitter, but never releasing anything, like it was prior to SX Pro and SX OS.
You should be grateful instead of hateful (lol).

Wurstmann · Sep 24, 2018

Creatable said:
SX OS EmuNAND is not EmuNAND.
Let me explain what I mean.
SX OS EmuNAND does not emulate the NAND, instead it resizes your original nand, and then makes a new partition where it copies stuff from your main partition.
Now, real EmuNAND would emulate the NAND, by reimplementing functions to have the nand read from SD. This is not what Team Xecuter did.
This is essentially a dualboot.

So you may be asking "So what? It works, that's just some technical nonsense!"
Reasons why this is bad:
Having another NAND partition is NOT NORMAL. Nintendo can instantly detect this, and also instantly ban you.
This is essentially ban in 1 easy step.
This is also particularly bad because you cannot use the storage their "EmuNAND" takes up on original firmware.
One final issue, is that if your Switch dies while their "EmuNAND" process is going (while it's resizing your nand partitions) it will brick you.
EmuNAND is meant to avoid bricks and stop bans / allow you to update. This does the opposite of two of those things.

This method is also particularly easy to recreate, so no this was not something special from them.
Congrats on not stealing something for once TX, you made something that is a complete mess.

TX copies a feature. They suck. TX builds their own feature. They suck. I sense a pattern here.

Creatable · Sep 24, 2018

Wurstmann said:
TX copies a feature. They suck. TX builds their own feature. They suck. I sense a pattern here.

So criticism is invalid because it's happened before for different things?
Oh no, people have critiques, if they have multiple their opinion / criticism doesn't matter!
I've used SX OS ever since release, I don't support the practices TX uses but I use it anyway because everything is in one area.
News flash: people hate SX for a reason. I don't know why such an adamant community arose out of something as dumb as paid cfws?
Nobody has cared for TX for years and now suddenly when they create something new there's an entire community dedicated to hating everyone who doesn't think SX is perfect.
It isn't. None of the cfws are perfect.
Just because we critique things multiple times does not mean that our critique is invalid, it just means there's multiple things wrong with the thing we are criticizing.

Clydefrosch · Sep 24, 2018

Wurstmann said:
TX copies a feature. They suck. TX builds their own feature. They suck. I sense a pattern here.

they steal code that would be free with only a simple credit and they 'build their own' (which likely is just them stealing more code that isn't yet open source) and they create a buggy mess while they're at it. and also they label it wrong apparently and promise things this cant hold up.

ganons · Sep 24, 2018

Wurstmann said:
TX copies a feature. They suck. TX builds their own feature. They suck. I sense a pattern here.

As shoddy as they are, they did implement xci loading which no one has been able to do yet

Chocola · Sep 24, 2018

Clydefrosch said:
they steal code that would be free with only a simple credit and they 'build their own' (which likely is just them stealing more code that isn't yet open source) and they create a buggy mess while they're at it. and also they label it wrong apparently and promise things this cant hold up.

They SELL these stealed code breaking the projects license terms, you can share, use or modify the code but without comercial use

Didn't see any PR to atmosphere for example from their (and the license require the changes) so or their are breaking here too the license terms or they don't have improvements from their part.

Atleast it's funny see how they try to copy (LayeredFS for example) and don't work xD

P.D: SX OS are decompiled as well, don't have any interesant thing on it that you can't found on the open source repositories.

Wurstmann · Sep 24, 2018

Chocola said:
They SELL these stealed code breaking the projects license terms, you can share, use or modify the code but without comercial use

Didn't see any PR to atmosphere for example from their (and the license require the changes) so or their are breaking here too the license terms or they don't have improvements from their part.

Atleast it's funny see how they try to copy (LayeredFS for example) and don't work xD

P.D: SX OS are decompiled as well, don't have any interesant thing on it that you can't found on the open source repositories.

I find it ridiculous to complain about stealing code that is essentially violating Nintendo's terms and code.

Chocola · Sep 24, 2018

Wurstmann said:
I find it ridiculous to complain about stealing code that is essentially violating Nintendo's terms and code.

I don't see it ridiculous, it's as big disrespect to the real scene developers, they are the real researchers and devs, making all stuff free for all of us without making any profit.

BuriA · Sep 24, 2018

are you better than tx? for you to tell us that it's wrong? do you know what you're talking about? so many stupid wannabees here.

jakkal · Sep 24, 2018

They did say it's not the same emunand in their write up though

Chocola · Sep 24, 2018

BuriA said:
are you better than tx? for you to tell us that it's wrong? do you know what you're talking about? so many stupid wannabees here.

LOL! please don't compare me with this people, now you are disrespecting me xD

To steal software you don't need knowlements, just copy & paste code and fix the build xD

Ashura66 · Sep 24, 2018

stewacide said:
Assuming TX's emunand works as advertized (I'm still waiting for a 2.1 to iron things out) it seems the best usecase will be, after updating to 6.0:
- Install/play NSPs and homebrew in emunand+SX (stealth/offline)
- Play XCIs in sysnand+SX (stealth/offline)
- Update XCIs and play legit games in sysnand without SX, online

The issue will be when you want to update firmware. You can backup and restore your saves to the emunand partition using homebrew, so wiping it is no problem. But what about your saves in sysnand? Without paying for Nintendo's online service, will it be possible to upgrade in place, maintaining saves, without tipping off your hacking? (it'd be really easy for the 6.0.1 installer to look out for emunand and flag your system if it's not possible to wipe it all beforehand)

You know, if you're going to use stealth mode, i feel emunand is kinda pointless. I dunno, maybe it's just me

BuriA said:
are you better than tx? for you to tell us that it's wrong? do you know what you're talking about? so many stupid wannabees here.

So all the evidence that's been presented is not enough for you? You people are amazing

Myron49485 · Sep 24, 2018

I just see SX emunand as an alternative to ChoiDjNX + autoRCM to update without burning fuses, with the benefit being no cons of autoRCM. (Correct me if I'm wrong)

Creatable said:
EmuNAND is meant to avoid bricks and stop bans / allow you to update. This does the opposite of two of those things.

Maybe it won't help to prevent you from being banned, but why won't it allow you to update?
Assuming that you stay offline with "stealth mode", a dual boot would be just fine for using the latest firmware while keeping and old firmware.

r6tro · Sep 24, 2018

Myron49485 said:
I just see SX emunand as an alternative to ChoiDjNX + autoRCM to update without burning fuses, with the benefit being no cons of autoRCM. (Correct me if I'm wrong)

need to know this too. if i disable emunand and i turn on the switch normally will i boot into original nand or emunand

Ashura66 · Sep 24, 2018

Myron49485 said:
I just see SX emunand as an alternative to ChoiDjNX + autoRCM to update without burning fuses, with the benefit being no cons of autoRCM. (Correct me if I'm wrong)

You know if that is the fakuNAND's purpose, then that's not how it's being marketed AT ALL

Myron49485 · Sep 24, 2018

r6tro said:
need to know this too. if i disable emunand and i turn on the switch normally will i boot into original nand or emunand

If you boot normally, it wont matter as SX OS won't be running. If you use "stealth mode" and have internet connections saved, then booting without SX OS is dangerous because stealth mode only works in SX OS. Unless you use a DNS, which works regardless of SX OS.

Ashura66 said:
You know if that is the fakuNAND's purpose, then that's not how it's being marketed AT ALL

I didn't check tbh, but it still seems useful from what i've read here

Ashura66 · Sep 24, 2018

Myron49485 said:
I didn't check tbh, but it still seems useful from what i've read here

If that's it's actual purpose then yeah, for SX users it is super useful but it's not being marketed that way on their site. Not to mention the update is still pretty buggy and messy right now but that's the usual for them really

r6tro · Sep 24, 2018

Myron49485 said:
If you boot normally, it wont matter as SX OS won't be running. If you use "stealth mode" and have internet connections saved, then booting without SX OS is dangerous because stealth mode only works in SX OS. Unless you use a DNS, which works regardless of SX OS.

i have 2 nintendo switches im mainly wanting my 2nd switch to stay on a low fw for future exploits and at the same time, play the latest games. as running the emunand goes through rcm (say original nand: 4.1.0 and emunand on 6.0.0) no fuses are burnt correct?

Ashura66 · Sep 24, 2018

r6tro said:
i have 2 nintendo switches im mainly wanting my 2nd switch to stay on a low fw for future exploits and at the same time, play the latest games. as running the emunand goes through rcm (say original nand: 4.1.0 and emunand on 6.0.0) no fuses are burnt correct?

As long as you never boot into OFW, yeah

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