Hacking Discussion SX EmuNAND is not real EmuNAND.

jahrs · Sep 23, 2018

I knew it came from somewhere. So Then SRN it is. Its accurate and has roots in past nintendo products

Edit- hold on we have a new challenger why nx-e please explain

Edit2- True but the whole point so far has been that its not actually emulating the nand like normal emunand so id say save that for whats considered the normal emunand- ie SD card based emunand

Meepers55 · Sep 23, 2018

Kubas_inko said:
If helping you getting banned is a good thing, sure.
And their not helping. It's their job. That's a big difference.
They would be helping if they went open source.

I'm pretty sure you misinterpreted what he was saying as he was commenting on the useless bickering that goes on "about here," which could mean the switch scene in general, and never mentioned his stance on TX or their emunand.

The Real Jdbye · Sep 23, 2018

Creatable said:
SX OS EmuNAND is not EmuNAND.
Let me explain what I mean.
SX OS EmuNAND does not emulate the NAND, instead it resizes your original nand, and then makes a new partition where it copies stuff from your main partition.
Now, real EmuNAND would emulate the NAND, by reimplementing functions to have the nand read from SD. This is not what Team Xecuter did.
This is essentially a dualboot.

So you may be asking "So what? It works, that's just some technical nonsense!"
Reasons why this is bad:
Having another NAND partition is NOT NORMAL. Nintendo can instantly detect this, and also instantly ban you.
This is essentially ban in 1 easy step.
This is also particularly bad because you cannot use the storage their "EmuNAND" takes up on original firmware.
One final issue, is that if your Switch dies while their "EmuNAND" process is going (while it's resizing your nand partitions) it will brick you.
EmuNAND is meant to avoid bricks and stop bans / allow you to update. This does the opposite of two of those things.

This method is also particularly easy to recreate, so no this was not something special from them.
Congrats on not stealing something for once TX, you made something that is a complete mess.

If you want to be technical about it, redirecting reads to the SD card is also not emulation, it's simply that, redirecting. SD cards also use NAND flash.
I think having it able to use the internal memory for a secondary NAND is a good idea, but it shouldn't be the only way. There are some upsides to repurposing the internal memory, but there are certainly drawbacks as well. I guess it was easier to code it this way, but in the future I expect emuNAND on SD card to be an option.

TheZander · Sep 23, 2018

I did it mentioned on one of these post that Nintendo won't back you for what's on your card and that makes sense. If anyone wanted to partition the sd card they use in their switch for absolutely any reason and have no intentions or know how of doing switch mods why would Nintendo ban for that? Partition your sd card as much as you want.

Connorsdad · Sep 23, 2018

Joom said:
How do you know if the telemetry sent after using this hasn't been scraped yet? For all we know this is entirely indescribable from the actual NAND. The system might note partition changes, but why would there not be failsafes for this in place? I mean, people are so quick to think that an SD based EmuNAND is bullet proof, but I fail to see that considering that Nintendo could check the SD in the exact same way and perform the assumed mitigation that's being applied to this.

You can remove the SD card before booting to ofw.

mowsie · Sep 23, 2018

mariogamer said:
We're just saying that Nintendo CAN detect it when you switch to ofw (if you don't have anything to block reporting, cdn, or idk), not that it causes ban.

Mmm no that's not what is being said. Verbatim in the top 3 threads people are claiming it will get you banned 100%. This scene is pathetic.

mariogamer · Sep 23, 2018

Joom said:
How do you know if the telemetry sent after using this hasn't been scraped yet? For all we know this is entirely indescribable from the actual NAND. The system might note partition changes, but why would there not be failsafes for this in place? I mean, people are so quick to think that an SD based EmuNAND is bullet proof, but I fail to see that considering that Nintendo could check the SD in the exact same way and perform the assumed mitigation that's being applied to this.

The reporting is done on a daily basis ( I think? It should be more), so it can't be scraped.
The system can detect a new partition , but idk for the failsafe.

Not to forget EmuNAND doesn't prevent anything by its own. Banning won't decrease.

I don't know if banning for sd content is illegal?

mowsie said:
Mmm no that's not what is being said. Verbatim in the top 3 threads people are claiming it will get you banned 100%. This scene is pathetic.

Welp that's a consequence of it being detectable. We don't know what Nintendo will do.

mowsie · Sep 23, 2018

mariogamer said:
The reporting is done on a daily basis ( I think? It should be more), so it can't be scraped.
The system can detect a new partition , but idk for the failsafe.

Not to forget EmuNAND doesn't prevent anything by its own. Banning won't decrease.

I don't know if banning for sd content is illegal?

Welp that's a consequence of it being detectable. We don't know what Nintendo will do.

So first you said that's not what you're saying and then you reply that's the consequences? Do you not see the hypocrisy?

mariogamer · Sep 23, 2018

mowsie said:
So first you said that's not what you're saying and then you reply that's the consequences? Do you not see the hypocrisy?

Well I don't know anymore.
I said in particular that for now it doesn't cause ban. But it might be the case in the future. (And that's a consequence of it being detectable)

linuxares · Sep 23, 2018

So let me get this right,

It's not a emuNAND as much as a dualboot option.
This will force you only to use CFW since going online will be instaban since the NAND have changed?

So it's practially pointless then? Emunand is to protect your OFW so you can dickaround in your emuNAND without risking a ban/break your original NAND.

isoisoiso · Sep 23, 2018

>Nintendo can instantly detect this, and also instantly ban you.
You think TX didn't take this into consideration before releasing it?

linuxares · Sep 23, 2018

isoisoiso said:
>Nintendo can instantly detect this, and also instantly ban you.
You think TX didn't take this into consideration before releasing it?

Not really no.

Draxzelex · Sep 23, 2018

And for any brave souls willing to install EmuNAND on your Switches, my thread, Spreadsheet, and Google Forms have all been updated to ask if people use it. Its the first question after asking if people use SX OS. By default, I listed everyone as "N" for No but please do feel free to let me know if you're using it and I'll update your status. Oh and to shut up the haters, be sure to boot into OFW; it doesn't even have to be for that long (but no DNS blocking, OFW is safe as guaranteed by TX because they are the only ones rocking the Switch).

isoisoiso · Sep 23, 2018

linuxares said:
Not really no.

Assumptions with no real proof. I think they are a few steps ahead from everyone else. There's a reason why they always are first at everything (xci loading, nsp installing, etc).
Let's just wait until someone gets banned before jumping into conclusions.

MasterJ360 · Sep 23, 2018

Well looks like I'll be on 5.0.1 for a very long time till smash is out. Maybe the 2.0 patch is another beta till they get the emunand situation right

XorTroll · Sep 23, 2018

Huh, so you guys keep arguing about all this fake emunand stuff...
I don't have any proof about this as I personally hate TX and never use their stuff, but @jjbredesen, @Creatable And all the others who agree that the ""emunand"" TX released is dangerous are trusted people who know much stuff about the scene and homebrew.
Those who keep asking for proof, do you even have any proof to go against this? This guys really know what they are talking about.

PD: don't use SX OS!

Ashura66 · Sep 23, 2018

isoisoiso said:
Assumptions with no real proof. I think they are a few steps ahead from everyone else. There's a reason why they always are first at everything (xci loading, nsp installing, etc).
Let's just wait until someone gets banned before jumping into conclusions.

Being first at something doesn't make them better than anyone else. If that was the case the steam engines would be better because they came first

TheZander · Sep 23, 2018

Besides getting banned it's there a benefit to this emunand? Anything near wise? Like really screwing with the console now? Incase you brick it you can just refo it.

Deleted User · Sep 23, 2018

I advise people read my post here: https://gbatemp.net/threads/how-does-sx-os-emunand-work.518936/

And don't listen to OP's bullshit.

MasterJ360 · Sep 23, 2018

XorTroll said:
Huh, so you guys keep arguing about all this fake emunand stuff...
I don't have any proof about this as I personally hate TX and never use their stuff, but @jjbredesen, @Creatable And all the others who agree that the ""emunand"" TX released is dangerous are trusted people who know much stuff about the scene and homebrew.
Those who keep asking for proof, do you even have any proof to go against this? This guys really know what they are talking about.

PD: don't use SX OS!

Thats the problem within this community. Its hard to grasp proof when ppl have been shit talking TX since day 1

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