Interview with ConsoleClassiX - the online ROM rental service

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A few weeks back, we told you about a rather unique service called ConsoleClassix, who allows players to enjoy a large variety of ROMs in exchange for a paid subscription. This service is considered to be legal by its owner due to the fact that players don't actually get to save the ROM files on their computers, instead, games are loaded in RAM and lost when the emulator shuts down (thus considered to be a 'rental service'). Additionally, for each instance of a game running at a given time, ConsoleClassix actually owns a physical copy.

We have contacted Aaron Ethridge, founder and owner at ConsoleClassix, who kindly accepted to answer our questions.

Interview with Aaron Ethridge @ ConsoleClassix


Q1: Can you describe ConsoleClassiX in a few sentences, for those of our readers who haven't yet heard of it?

Console Classix is a video game rental service. It works much like Red Box, but the “renter” doesn't get physical possession of the game they are renting at the time. The game is also electronically delivered to them, in much the same way a Netflix video is. Philosophically, ethically, and legally, Console Classix works just like Blockbuster. (Well, like an online Blockbuster that didn't go out of business.)



Q2: How did you come up with this idea? Some of our users have called it 'brilliant'.

Although it may offend some people, I honestly believe I was inspired. Me and a partner of mine were trying to work on a way to legally sell ROMs to people, but the gaming industry seemed... we'll say “resistant”... to the idea. Finally, after a long night of discussion, I gave up and went to bed. As soon as my head hit the pillow, it struck me: we wouldn't sell the games, we would rent them. After that, the legal chips fell right into place.



Q3: How profitable is your service? Do you make a living off of it? Do you have any employees to help you with the business?

It was quite profitable in the past. Interest in retro-gaming seems to wax and wane. At our high point, I worked for CC full time and had four employees working with me in an office we owned. That was years ago, however. Everyone has moved on, and I maintain it alone now. It pays it's own bills, but not a great deal more.

I hope to change that in time (by adding newer systems and games). I don't have a great deal of spare time to work on it at the moment, however. I'm a full-time network engineer and novelist. (I also work on video games when I get the chance.) I want to build CC back up, but it will probably be a few more months before I can really get started.



Q4: Do you believe ConsoleClassiX to be in a kind of gray area, from a legal standpoint?

Not at all. It's completely black and white. We own the games, so we have the legal right to rent them out. We have the right to let people play them on PC, so we have the right to copy them off the carts. The law is completely (and clearly) on our side.



Q5: How would you react if Nintendo or other big corporations became serious about taking the matter to court?

We would do our best to fight them. For their part, they would be extremely foolish to try it. At the moment, most people believe what we're doing is in the “gray” at the very least (if not simply illegal). If we were sued and lost, none of the countess illegal ROM sites on the Internet would vanish. However, if we were sued and won, Netflix (and countless other Mom and Pop sites) would offer a service like ours within days of the verdict.



Q6: Do you welcome publicity from big sites such as Ars Technica giving you a lot of attention, or would you rather stay in the shadows?

My attitude is: Shout about us from the rooftops!

The argument could be made that the more attention we get, the more likely we are to be sued, but my counter-point would be: the more money we have in our “war chest” the more likely we would be to win.



Q7: How do you plan on growing where your direct competition is piracy, and games are being more and more readily available?

A lot of people like to do the right thing. They also like to know they're not going to get “WannaCry” or some other terrible virus when they download something. We've never seen the pirate sites as competition. They don't offer the same product we do. (Even if the product is similar.)

That was my theory when I decided to start CC. A lot of people laughed at the idea. Then CC made a great deal of money, and they stopped laughing.

The business model could withstand competition when we started it up in 2001, and it can withstand it now.



Q8: A few members from our community signed up for an account at ConsoleClassix after reading our article, but they ran into a few issues with the website (expired certificate, plain text passwords, etc.) Do you plan to make improvements to the website, as a response to criticism?

Yes! The site has “decayed” during the past 12 months.(My primary gig at the moment is network engineering for a tier 2 ISP, and I've been VERY busy during the last year. I hope to get those issues fixed before January 2019. Lord willing, I'll find the time.)



Q9: Do you have any long term plans for expansion, perhaps adding more games, or systems? Is there anything your users should look forward to?

Yes! I really want to get CC moving forward again. There is a great deal we can add now. Years have gone by since our last major update and technological advancements have made it possible to use our model (potentially) with systems like the PlayStation.

I have a lot of plans. Just not a lot of time ATM.



Q10: Are you much of a gamer yourself? What's your all-time top 3 favorite games?

I am. And, this is a hard question. No matter what I say, I'll get cheers and boos. Lol.

For console, I would probably say:
- The Legend of Zelda
- Super Mario World
- Fire Emblem (for the GBA)

For PC, let's say:
- Quest for Glory (I – IV, V was painful)
- Privateer (the old Origin game – I also just started playing Elite Dangerous. I want VR...)
- Dwarf Fortress (I've only been playing for a few years, but I love it)

There are a great deal more than that, obviously (and, my answers might be different tomorrow), but those are some of my favorites.



End of interview


If you liked this interview, you might also enjoy the previous issues in our series of exclusive interviews:

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I suppose it's all a matter of how complicated the operation is:
>> dumping an unprotected stream: very easy with standard tools
>> dumping a DRM-protected stream: pretty complicated nowadays
>> dumping files from RAM: I would consider this complicated, and I assume a court would agree with that too
the protection is inherent to the complexity
My contention with this is why are they keeping with same model (supposedly will do psx someday) if they could just send encrypted ROMs and they could still say it was legal.
 

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in that case the best thing to do would be not to boast about it on an internet forum but to report it to the site owner ;)
use their contact form here: http://www.consoleclassix.com/Help.html (bottom of the page)
Yeah I can confirm too. The site is very vulnerable to a lot of attacks like SQLi (old PHP ver by the looks of things), probably not even using PDO for SQL operationg probably using mysqli_*
 
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Yeah I can confirm too. The site is very vulnerable to a lot of attacks like SQLi (old PHP ver by the looks of things), probably not even using PDO for SQL operationg probably using mysqli_*
Yeah I found what is acting like SQL injections, the feilds where dropping say data after a character.

This website feels like a toy used to learn, it shouldn't be public and shouldn't be taking money.
 

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so when 1000 people want to play mario kart 64 at the same time, they are telling me that they actually have 1000 mario kart 64 carts? 1 for each rom played, lol child please. they are so full of it. The rom being rented or used with out the copy holders consent is illegal. Plane and simple. There is no "i have the cart so i can play the rom" shit. All the pirates know these things. Do you think blockbuster would be able to clone snes cart and rent those out instead of the real cart? yeah that's a no.

There are legal backup copies of some software that could be made back in the day. BUt the backup was not for giving out to another person to use.
 

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can't believe some people are stupid enough to rent roms. too lazy to type a few google searches in and your roms are FREE. and yes they are still OUT THERE. got all MY roms safe and sound on my SHIELD
 
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going get hit HARD here but i really don't OBAMA care so here it comes.

these ass shat's killed rom sites!!

can i resit the piss storm of users

find out next time when i don't give a fuck.
 

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the copies they own aren't rental copies and they're not a licensed by nintendo rental store.
you cant just rent whatever the heck you want as a business. same way you can't just rent any movie you own as a business.

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um shut down in a hurry read man hes been at it since 2001. and its as he said not illegal to rent out games you own as long as your not making multiple copies and selling them. if hes renting them out 1 for 1 without allowing multiples or duplicates or having multiple physical copies of the game then theres nothing wrong there. its just a game streaming service no different then netflix for games instead of movies.
netflix pays licensing fees for every single thing they 'rent'

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why is this site advertising this service :wtf:
i dont know, probably money or something.
 
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"We own the games, so we have the legal right to rent them out"

Do you really though?
So in that way, anyone could set up a service where 1 person buys the game, and then proceed to rent it to someone else 1 person at a time? Technically the same thing as what some do with steam's family sharing.
Seems like a pretty damn gray area to me
 

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So let me get this straight. If I own the cartridge for "Bubble Bobble" for the NES, I am free to rent out the ROM to every body who posted on this thread? Now I could see myself renting out one copy since I only own one copy.
 

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Just download a FREE rom and play like a real man!
Jesus christ...online rental service...give me a break...

This isn't even worth discussing...

Pay for a full original game in a store or download a rom for free apd play it on your PC whenever. Its that simple.
Rental is a shit in any way, and sadly nintendo and others started that trend.. i hope it will stop soon or im quiting gaming.
 
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Because the end user cannot save the ROM onto his computer and therefore cannot retain the game forever?

You could argue that with the proper technique you can dump files stored in RAM... well yeah if you rent a video you could also make a copy of the DVD you rented, when you stream on Netflix you could also somehow record the stream etc. Same thing really. The majority of end users just won't do that because it's too complicated. Nobody cares if Jimmy Hackerboy can dump his RAM :)
HEY! i care! I care if I can dump my RAM thanks for asking! I'm very offended by your not caring of me :( /s
 

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i mean if nintendo hasnt done anything so far it sorta means their hands are legally tied. i get the licensing fees part but there would be no legitimate way to do that for older roms unless the company who made the game was still making games because its not like it goes to the systems developer but rather the game studio first who then pays a portion to the company whos system they play on. so i can see this working for older roms however........

its highly impractical

will always be limited by their stock

and people will b*tch about legal sh*t they know nothing about cause they arent lawyers

in the end how about we just stop talking about the legallity and focus on whats important and matters to us.

Is the site safe to use and put you sensitive info on?
 
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This dude has a really interesting way of toeing the "legal" line, and honestly, I hope his business does well.

But the crazy part is that he's absolutely right. Nintendo actually does this with the upcoming Assassin Creed Odyssey and with Resident Evil VII where they actually rent the game to you for 180 days to stream.
 

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Provided the system only allows the same amount of copies as they own and no illegal copies are reproduced and resold, I don't see why it would be an issue.

Become familiar with the law. Not the first time someone has tried something like this. When you transfer a physical object into a digital one, you are out of compliance with the law. When you transmit it to computers over the Internet, you become laughably out of compliance.

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But the crazy part is that he's absolutely right. Nintendo actually does this with the upcoming Assassin Creed Odyssey and with Resident Evil VII where they actually rent the game to you for 180 days to stream.

In that case, they have an actual legal license from those companies to sell that product. Completely different.
 
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Become familiar with the law. Not the first time someone has tried something like this. When you transfer a physical object into a digital one, you are out of compliance with the law. When you transmit it to computers over the Internet, you become laughably out of compliance.
I'm quite familiar, actually. Your milage may vary depending on where you live, however ultimately one copy is being accessed at a time, its contents are being stored in RAM as they would've been on the original platform and they are not using more copies than the number specified in the license, nor are they distributing unlicensed copies. For all intents and purposes, legally, this is no different than you coming to your friend's house and playing a game on their system, except it's performed over the Internet. The "copy" is always digital, the physical storage medium is irrelevant to the conversation as far as software is concerned.
 

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so when 1000 people want to play mario kart 64 at the same time, they are telling me that they actually have 1000 mario kart 64 carts? 1 for each rom played, lol child please. they are so full of it. The rom being rented or used with out the copy holders consent is illegal. Plane and simple. There is no "i have the cart so i can play the rom" shit. All the pirates know these things. Do you think blockbuster would be able to clone snes cart and rent those out instead of the real cart? yeah that's a no.

There are legal backup copies of some software that could be made back in the day. BUt the backup was not for giving out to another person to use.


Actually, yes. I checked the website out and they really enforce the rule. For example, they own 2 copies of Superstar Saga. If two people are currently playing, a third person won't be able to start the game until one of the players quit.
 

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Actually, yes. I checked the website out and they really enforce the rule. For example, they own 2 copies of Superstar Saga. If two people are currently playing, a third person won't be able to start the game until one of the players quit.
It's also worth noting that their backup is not given out for anyone to use - they have it, you are just accessing it remotely. No copies change hands.

The only legal aspect that's questionable in this whole operation is rental rights, but it could be side stepped if they technically charge for access to the website, not the access to the games which comes as a perk of the membership. It's certainly a grey area and I'm not so sure that their stance would hold up in court.
 

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Look at all the armchair lawyers trying to do the big corporation's work for it. If you need a perfect example of an abusive relationship look no further than the console fandoms. The makers literally take away everything and punish their owners, even removing features from models and the owners repay them with fanatical devotion.

I should set up a hotline they can call for help to escape the relationship.
 
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