Nintendo gives more details about its online service, cloud saves get deleted if you cancel your sub

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We got a glimpse of some new information about Nintendo's Switch Online Service yesterday during the Direct, but most of what was shown there was already known. To help shed a little more light on just what a subscription entails, Nintendo put a FAQ up on their site. The details are as follows:

  • As already stated before the Direct, all Switch users (used to be only launch users) can get a 7 day free trial. This gives you access to online, voice chat, cloud saves, and the NES games.
  • Those two wireless NES controllers are only purchasable if you have a current paid Nintendo Switch Online sub.
  • The full list of 20 playable NES games for subscribers was revealed: Soccer, Tennis, Donkey Kong, Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros. 1 and 3, Balloon Fight, Ice Climber, Dr. Mario, The Legend of Zelda, Double Dragon, River City Ransom, Ghost's N Goblins, Tecmo Bowl, Gradius, Pro Wrestling, Excitebike, Yoshi, Ice Hockey, and Baseball.
  • Each month, a new set of games will be added to the group.
  • October will add NES Open Golf, Solomon's Key, and Super Dodge Ball
  • November additions are Mighty Bomb Jack, Twinbee, and Metroid.
  • December brings Wario's Woods, Adventures of Lolo, and Ninja Gaiden.
  • Additionally, if you ever lapse in your subscription, you will lose all cloud data. "Save data stored with Save Data Cloud cannot be kept outside of the duration of your Nintendo Switch Online membership." If you cancel or let it expire, you'll lose all data saved on the cloud.
  • If you play the NES games, you need to check in every 7 days by going online to verify your account.

:arrow: Source: Nintendo UK
:arrow: Source: Nintendo of America
 

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Do you even care that it's 60 freakin' dollars for two NES-style controllers that you can only get with an active account? I don't care who you are, needing a subscription just to buy/use a "special" controller is pretty damned idiotic.

Yeah that price is over the top. I always said after the gamecube days nintendo stopped caring for their fans but everybody always said i was wrong. Glad people their eyes are finally getting opened how greedy Nintendo actually became and anti consumer they are

Guys, No one’s forcing you to buy the controller ;)
If you think about it, what reason should there be to get them with a subscription? Seems like a nice way to prevents scalpers stockpiling them.

I already own a 8bitdo SF30Pro. It was way cheaper, and it works on everything I own.....including the Switch. :switch:



Edit: I meant SF30Pro
 
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Guys, No one’s forcing you to buy the controller ;)
If you think about it, what reason should there be to get them with a subscription? Seems like a nice way to prevents scalpers stockpiling them.

I already own a 8bitdo NES30Pro. It was way cheaper, and it works on everything I own.....including the Switch.
I had to do this the other day...

Consumer Choice = Good
Forcing Consumers to Use Products/Services = Bad

It doesn't matter if I want the damned things or not, people should have the freedom to purchase them without needing to go through hoops. Plus, it's all about presentation. If it had been something more like, "Hey, those who bought a subscription get to buy a pair early and for (maybe) a small discount," I'd be saying that's pretty nifty. But no, that's not what happened. Nintendo is trying to railroad people into using their services by dangling a carrot, rather blatantly. Yes, lots of companies dangle carrots, but this just reeks of greed that's approacing Take-Two Interactive levels of asshattery.
 
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Nes controllers only purchaseable with an active subscription... Black Market on eBay, here I come! My console is banned anyway, couldn't give any shits about this if I wanted but damn, they know how to make this as complicated as possible.
To be fair, the NES controllers are supposed to be used with the NES games they're offering with their online subscription. Outside that there's no real use for them. And if you're interested in using them for emulators for some reason, you're better off buying 8bitdo's controllers, especially considering the price of the official ones.
 
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20 dollars a year. Ya'll upset are so fucking petty. hahaha. 20 dollars a year. that's like less than $.06 a day. literally. could look in your couch and find a years sub in change. (if you can't afford 20 dollars for a full years sub *which is 40 dollars cheaper than ps4 and xbox live* you probably shouldn't even have a switch)
 
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20 dollars a year. Ya'll upset are so fucking petty. hahaha. 20 dollars a year. that's like less than $.06 a day. literally. could look in your couch and find a years sub in change. (if you can't afford 20 dollars for a full years sub *which is 40 dollars cheaper than ps4 and xbox live* you probably shouldn't even have a switch)
I don't think the issue is the cost, it's what you're getting. After paying for the console, the game, and now a service, you have the option to buy a pair of overpriced NES controllers. The cost of the service is affordable, there's just jack all for incentive, to the point it's almost insulting they're rolling this out as-is. Not to mention the BS of only being able to get the controllers with a subscription.
 

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I don't think the issue is the cost, it's what you're getting. After paying for the console, the game, and now a service, you have the option to buy a pair of overpriced NES controllers. The cost of the service is affordable, there's just jack all for incentive, to the point it's almost insulting they're rolling this out as-is. Not to mention the BS of only being able to get the controllers with a subscription.


You don't have to buy them. You also get NES games to play for free. And from what some rumors say and from how that is looking (the icons photos i think i saw leaked somewhere), you will probably have some SNES games and maybe other systems later to play for free on the service. Don't act like the only thing is those cool controllers. Those controllers might have all the function as regular ones minus a thumb stick. For all we know later on they will start a monthly free games part on it too who knows. You get a heck of a lot more than you got when Xbox Live first rolled out their service on the first Xbox.
 
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Is my save data retained if I cancel my Nintendo Switch Online membership?

We are unable to guarantee that cloud save data will be retained after an extended period of time from when your membership is ended. However, you can continue to use the save data that is saved to your system memory.

Source: https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/22521/p/897

Sounds like the same thing as Pokémon Bank. ie. the space your data is in becomes available some short time after your subscription expires, and it's just up to chance as to whether or not it ends up being overwritten. Considering that this is a source directly from NoA, it should be added to the main post, hm?
After my Nintendo Switch Online subscription expires, will my Save Data Cloud files and Nintendo Entertainment System – Nintendo Switch Online save data be erased?

Save data stored with Save Data Cloud cannot be kept outside of the duration of your Nintendo Switch Online membership. Nintendo Entertainment System – Nintendo Switch Online also uses the Save Data Cloud, so the same applies. However, if you keep the Nintendo Entertainment System – Nintendo Switch Online save data saved locally on your Nintendo Switch console, then you can use it again if you purchase another membership.

Source: https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Nintendo-Switch/Nintendo-Switch-Online/FAQ-1374625.html
 

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20 dollars a year. Ya'll upset are so fucking petty. hahaha. 20 dollars a year. that's like less than $.06 a day. literally. could look in your couch and find a years sub in change. (if you can't afford 20 dollars for a full years sub *which is 40 dollars cheaper than ps4 and xbox live* you probably shouldn't even have a switch)
For this instant, buying the Switch isn't the problem, the direct problem is people planning to still buy online because it "only $20". Just no.

Meanwhile, PC is still playing for free. If the console makers goal was to push people towards PC, they are doing a very good job.
 

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You don't have to buy them. You also get NES games to play for free. And from what some rumors say and from how that is looking (the icons photos i think i saw leaked somewhere), you will probably have some SNES games and maybe other systems later to play for free on the service. Don't act like the only thing is those cool controllers. Those controllers might have all the function as regular ones minus a thumb stick. For all we know later on they will start a monthly free games part on it too who knows. You get a heck of a lot more than you got when Xbox Live first rolled out their service on the first Xbox.
And hey, if that happens, I'll be happy to have been wrong. But right now, as-is, this is a terrible set of incentives. And I'm not buying the controllers, there's better options if I want. My point was and has been that people shouldn't need to jump through an extra hoop to buy them. I'd much rather have seen subscribers get a discount on them or something, but still be available to everyone. Who knows, maybe other games will work with them besides the NES titles, maybe third-party devs want to have a nostalgia trip with their product. And what about collectors? There have to be collectors who don't have a subscription. And, really, you can't compare an online service that launched in 2002 to one coming out in kinda-late 2018.
 
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Meanwhile, PC is still playing for free. If the console makers goal was to push people towards PC, they are doing a very good job.


Meanwhile a PC to play most of those free games good online costs well over 300 dollars. So if you took the extra 800 on average for a stocked pc setup for gaming at normal to medium visual level....and divided that by 20....That is 40 years of Switch online service u could pay for.
 

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And hey, if that happens, I'll be happy to have been wrong. But right now, as-is, this is a terrible set of incentives. And I'm not buying the controllers, there's better options if I want. My point was and has been that people shouldn't need to jump through an extra hoop to buy them. I'd much rather have seen subscribers get a discount on them or something, but still be available to everyone. Who knows, maybe other games will work with them besides the NES titles, maybe third-party devs want to have a nostalgia trip with their product. And what about collectors? There have to be collectors who don't have a subscription. And, really, you can't compare an online service that launched in 2002 to one coming out in kinda-late 2018.


What is the difference if the only thing the controllers work on is the NES library with the Subscription? If it won't work on other games why are you so upset? Because you want to use emulators on there and play all your pirated roms? Thats like you offering friends free BBQ, and some bums coming over and picketing because you are only offering BBQ to friends.
 
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20 dollars a year. Ya'll upset are so fucking petty. hahaha. 20 dollars a year. that's like less than $.06 a day. literally. could look in your couch and find a years sub in change. (if you can't afford 20 dollars for a full years sub *which is 40 dollars cheaper than ps4 and xbox live* you probably shouldn't even have a switch)
When the only redeeming quality about a "service" is that it's cheaper, maybe it's time to think twice about why you are defending it.
 

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What is the difference if the only thing the controllers work on is the NES library with the Subscription? If it won't work on other games why are you so upset? Because you want to use emulators on there and play all your pirated roms? Thats like you offering friends free BBQ, and some bums coming over and picketing because you are only offering BBQ to friends.
What makes you think my Switch is hacked? What makes you think anyone I know in real life has a hacked Switch? Stop assuming. In the end, you're right, it makes no difference to me. Like I said, I'M NOT GETTING A SET. It makes a difference to other people, though, and the way they've locked the purchase behind the paywall of their services is a shady as fuck move, considering they're fucking controllers.
 
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If I owned a switch, I would simply mod it and make my own gamesave backups.

The reason I joined gbatemp was to learn how to do exactly that on my wii years ago.

The wii had saves you could not backup natively, yet homebrew did it with ease. Never did understand why the wii (or any game system) has locked gamesaves.
 

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Guys, No one’s forcing you to buy the controller ;)
If you think about it, what reason should there be to get them with a subscription? Seems like a nice way to prevents scalpers stockpiling them.

I already own a 8bitdo NES30Pro. It was way cheaper, and it works on everything I own.....including the Switch. :switch:
So according to you consumers can't complain about a price and call them out for that ?We just have to keep quiet and keep our mouth shut and just be verbal by paying it or not ?? Hmm, if it were just so simple.
 
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Welp time to get my switch banned.

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Nintendo's online really seems like a sham.

Except, people are going to pay for it regardless, because it's that, or never play online. Even if it's the worst service in the world, they still will get tons of people paying.
Same goes with Apple products.
 

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