Windows 7 will receive paid monthly updates after support ends

pasc · Sep 10, 2018

SnAQ said:
I will never understand why people don't want a better OS.

Mayyybe, because of software incompatibility even with Windows "compatibility mode".

Or perhaps because ones liked features in the old windows that cannot be restored in future iterations.

Sure Virtual Machines are a solution, but I still see Windows XP running on some workforce PC's nowadays,
there is a reason for that: It works just aswell, but there is no money to be made from it...

It should be ones choice what OS they want to run. Not being bound to the graphic cards and etc. drivers from the vendors which "oh so" only work with the 'newest hardware'.

[Rant]
People don't understand that you can only "improve" so much upon something that is already very solid.
Yet Sofware Devs can't be expected to support every OS. (Ask anyone using a jailbroken iOS device on how the programs keep breaking every iOS update... geh)

But hey. Whatever works for people. Because new isn't always better

Selling "new software" is always a tactic to sell new hardware aswell, sadly most don't understand that...
F##ing obsolescence
[/Rant]

sarkwalvein · Sep 10, 2018

[Rant]
People here argue with some "amusing" "twists"/information... it looks like they were born yesterday... or perhaps they think everybody else is stupid not to know the obvious?

It's starting to look like a conspiracy obsession thread a la "flat earthers".
[/Rant]

Pachee · Sep 10, 2018

WildDog said:
Are you kidding me? LOL

You said Microsoft store... i did prove you that it can be removed and there is no need for "extra haaxxx" now that you see you are wrong you change to cortana?
No, Cortana, Edge or Feedback cannot be removed, only disabled.

Ms store, whatever, they are all bloatware crap. My point is that:

Pachee said:
WildDog said:

All that "bloat" you don't have to install it. In fact you can select not to be installed and oter can be deactivate, like Xbox Dvr.

Click to expand...

False. Even if "not installed", they will still be installed on the system, and getting updated with windows updates (\windows\servicing\packages). Also a lot of stuff can't even be deactivated nor removed without extra hacks.

You can't remove all the bloatware without using extra hacks like uninstall_wim tool or editing config files to fool windows to think these packages are not required by the system (editing mum files or something).
Also even then it seems that Microsoft is taking measures against this since they have added a new DB in Windows 10 Anniversary which flags components and will not let you update windows once it notices certain components are removed. So my point stands.

sarkwalvein · Sep 10, 2018

Pachee said:
So my point stands.

What was your point again?

Deleted User · Sep 10, 2018

upgraded my daily used machine to linux. dont regret it.
this is good news tho- some people would rather pay that than upgrade, as upgrading might be too expensive for them

tech3475 · Sep 10, 2018

hamohamo said:
iirc every single software that 7 can use, 10 can use too. but for xp it's another story.

IIRC I gave a specific example where they blocked something by default.

We're talking software here, you may have no problems while others do for various reasons and I don't see a problem keeping a copy on stand by should I ever encounter something which doesn't seem to work in W10 as a form a diagnosing or running it e.g. like I did to test PowerDVD 10 for BD playback which broke in W8.x.

natanelho said:
upgraded my daily used machine to linux. dont regret it.
this is good news tho- some people would rather pay that than upgrade, as upgrading might be too expensive for them

The problem is software, even with something like WINE, compatibility can be an issue.

I suspect grey markets may see a surge in sales, people will buy new computers or worse people will just use unprotected systems.

I once had to deal with something a couple of years ago wondering why their new phone wouldn't work with their ancient XP machine.

FAST6191 · Sep 10, 2018

tech3475 said:
The problem is software, even with something like WINE, compatibility can be an issue.

Is that such an issue now?

Firefox, chrome and such with adblock and all that jazz work just fine.

Microsoft's stranglehold over the office market has been broken and between libre office, google docs and whatever else most do OK.

Email is mostly a browser issue and similarly outlook has been gutted for most and I am mostly seeing exchange in a legacy context in businesses these days (though that might be more Microsoft's withdrawal from small-medium enterprise).

Free video editor wise I would say Linux does better than Windows these days, give or take my beloved avisynth. Mainstream commercial editors are not bad either.

Image editor wise GIMP vs photoshop is a serious debate (almost feels like open office/libreoffice vs MS office back around the time of the libre fork), however that it can even be one says much to me.

Printers do fairly well, and as most people replace them rather than replace cartridges or toner it is not such an issue there either.

At this point we are mostly left with do you absolutely need adobe or want high end PC games?

linuxares · Sep 10, 2018

This is for companies. Especially companies with special software that is custom made and only work said OS. Before they gotten a working version for like Windows 10. It's good they have this option.

TheMCNerd2017 · Sep 10, 2018

Never expected Microsoft to do something like this. I thought they would have released a subscription-based version of Windows 10.

tech3475 · Sep 10, 2018

FAST6191 said:
Is that such an issue now?

Firefox, chrome and such with adblock and all that jazz work just fine.

Microsoft's stranglehold over the office market has been broken and between libre office, google docs and whatever else most do OK.

Email is mostly a browser issue and similarly outlook has been gutted for most and I am mostly seeing exchange in a legacy context in businesses these days (though that might be more Microsoft's withdrawal from small-medium enterprise).

Free video editor wise I would say Linux does better than Windows these days, give or take my beloved avisynth. Mainstream commercial editors are not bad either.

Image editor wise GIMP vs photoshop is a serious debate (almost feels like open office/libreoffice vs MS office back around the time of the libre fork), however that it can even be one says much to me.

Printers do fairly well, and as most people replace them rather than replace cartridges or toner it is not such an issue there either.

At this point we are mostly left with do you absolutely need adobe or want high end PC games?

Things like Web Browsers are fine but for everything else YMMV as it depends on your preferences, usage, etc e.g. I play games and I've needed to use windows only software over the years e.g. when I was at uni, I use PSP for photo editing (Windows only), etc.

Personally I also prefer Office over Libreoffice (the latter is what we're supplied with at work and it can be a pain at times, so BYOD is normal). Speaking of work we use a bespoke Windows based software as a core part of our store operations, otherwise I reckon we could switch over to Linux in certain areas.

For the record, I do use Linux on my Server (unRAID) and on the side with VMs/dual boots.

Pluupy · Sep 10, 2018

Ah yes Windows 10. The operating system that removes features to ruin the quality of life of users than make it easier.

PrincessLillie · Sep 10, 2018

Thunder Hawk said:
5. Pirate the updates.

Yes, but... Why?
If you're gonna pirate, at least pirate the newer version of Windows.

CoinKillerL · Sep 10, 2018

what the acutal fuck is this

sarkwalvein · Sep 10, 2018

CoinKillerL said:
what the acutal fuck is this

The classic "things were better back in my day, you know cars were actual cars made of metal not this plastic things!" (points at a rusty coffin over wheels with a kilometers long hose plugged to the fuel station), "yeah grandpa, you're right! /s".

TotalInsanity4 · Sep 10, 2018

tech3475 said:
Things like Web Browsers are fine but for everything else YMMV as it depends on your preferences, usage, etc e.g. I play games and I've needed to use windows only software over the years e.g. when I was at uni, I use PSP for photo editing (Windows only), etc.

Personally I also prefer Office over Libreoffice (the latter is what we're supplied with at work and it can be a pain at times, so BYOD is normal). Speaking of work we use a bespoke Windows based software as a core part of our store operations, otherwise I reckon we could switch over to Linux in certain areas.

For the record, I do use Linux on my Server (unRAID) and on the side with VMs/dual boots.

Steam is adding a native compatibility layer for Windows games to play on Linux, so even that should become a non-issue

Subtle Demise · Sep 10, 2018

pasc said:
It should be ones choice what OS they want to run.

It is your choice. In the past, when a Windows version ended support, it was just done, save for the rare emergency security hole that needs patching. Here you have the choice to still receive support for a legacy OS. My PC is over 8 years old and runs Windows 10 fine. Any older than that, you might as well be running Vista or XP. In my experience, Win10 actually seems to use less resources than 7 ever did, or it's using them more efficiently. My only gripe with 10 is the fullscreen update nags.

Pluupy said:
Ah yes Windows 10. The operating system that removes features to ruin the quality of life of users than make it easier.

Examples?

neotank19 · Sep 10, 2018

TwistedZeon said:
I already didn't agree with the bloat and it's abundance of "spying" telemetry which can never truly be disabled (I wouldn't trust an os's privacy if you have to use 3rd party programs to disable that stuff).

This is why I will not use windows 10.

BiggieCheese said:
None of this even matters anyway at this point, thanks to most of Intel’s CPUs getting exploited to hell and back, unless you want to enable different patches that will severely gimp your CPU and borderline turn it into a potato clock, pretty much any concept of security on modern computers has pretty much died for the time being unless you’re an AMD user

Exactly.

I will stick with windows 7, I go with the "if it aint broke" crowd.

comput3rus3r · Sep 10, 2018

sarkwalvein said:
The classic "things were better back in my day, you know cars were actual cars made of metal not this plastic things!" (points at a rusty coffin over wheels with a kilometers long hose plugged to the fuel station), "yeah grandpa, you're right! /s".

you're making a case against your argument. yes now days cars are made of plastic that when you hit a balloon it dents the entire bumper. Then they want to charge you like all the parts are made out of metal for repair.

neotank19 said:
This is why I will not use windows 10.

Exactly.

I will stick with windows 7, I go with the "if it aint broke" crowd.

It's good to also note that Microsoft made it seem like the new intel processors weren't going to work with windows 7. They used language like "not supported" but the reality is that windows 7 is 100% compatible with all new gen Intel chips including 9th gen.

Deleted User · Sep 10, 2018

https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/6bpfjw/guide_to_make_a_perfect_windows_10_iso/ just gonna leave this here.

WildDog · Sep 10, 2018

comput3rus3r said:
you're making a case against your argument. yes now days cars are made of plastic that when you hit a balloon it dents the entire bumper. Then they want to charge you like all the parts are made out of metal for repair. How about the fact that to change a simple headlight on my BMW the bumper has to be removed?

Crash in a 70s car and then crash in modern car... Then you will see why car made to take the force of the impact.

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