Windows 7 will receive paid monthly updates after support ends

Canna · Sep 9, 2018

WildDog said:
Why would give AGAIN another chance for a free upgrade?? The one they did at the start lasted for a loooooong time, more than enough for every single user of Win 7 to upgrade... Those who refused, well their lose.

That "spyware" is far from being a secret well hiding by MS, people just need to read what they are installing...

Oh i see you never used Win 7 when it was brand new....

Not saying it is a secret but i like to inform the less knowledgeable about it
And some systems come pre installed win 10 so how would they know whats installed for the non advanced user. ??

and not everyone knew about the free upgrade..

Seriel · Sep 9, 2018

Canna said:
Carm the hell down...Getting all moody and sht You this you that.

Literally aren't moody about any of this in the slightest, its a forum so I'm having a discussion?

Canna said:
I never said it has ended i know its there till 2020...

And I never said you said it ended? I fail to see your point there

Canna said:
... Its good there continuing to add support for people who wish to use it, but charging them for it not sure i personally agree on that..Never said anything was wrong them giving a choice...

You said it was "a absolute joke", I'd say that was you saying something was wrong with it, but hey what do I know

WildDog · Sep 9, 2018

Canna said:
Not saying it is a secret but i like to inform the less knowledgeable about it
And some systems come pre installed win 10 so how would they know whats installed for the non advanced user. ??

and not everyone knew about the free upgrade..

If you had Win 7, then you knew about the free upgrade... Hell Microsoft was spamming Win 7 users with "HEY WIN 10 IS OUT, UPGRADE FOR FREE!!! download this tool"

RedoLane · Sep 9, 2018

Can't wait for the Windows Vista 2

Canna · Sep 9, 2018

Seriel said:
Literally aren't moody about any of this in the slightest, its a forum so I'm having a discussion?

And I never said you said it ended? I fail to see your point there

You said it was "a absolute joke", I'd say that was you saying something was wrong with it, but hey what do I know

My apologies then missy guess i miss understand what you are saying or how you are saying it.. Im greatfull for the discussion...

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WildDog said:
If you had Win 7, then you knew about the free upgrade... Hell Microsoft was spamming Win 7 users with "HEY WIN 10 IS OUT, UPGRADE FOR FREE!!! download this tool"

Yes i knew but like i said not everyone had..or does

comput3rus3r · Sep 9, 2018

Canna said:
What a absolute joke,, charging people who purchased there license to own a copy of windows with promised updates and feature support just to Kick it to the curb, but like other releases support ends.. how about you give windows users on 7 a free update to 10 before you shut it down... Like you offered to us in the beginning...

Then there windows 10 which i am using ,
But its full of Microsoft spyware... Sending your private data to them..
Check out your privacy settings, block everything... and please use a tool called spybot anti beacon, as your still sending telemetry data to them and what programs you are using such and so forth...
Microsoft did the sneaky with 10 but can be avoided.. as i am now on lock down and they dont get sht from me ...

So yeah check out ya privacy and the app i recommend spybot anti beacon..
Other then that 10 seems to work fine, a big difference to 7...Some nice features some bad.
But there is nothing wrong with 7 either... well between 10/7....

As for the windows between 7 and 10 there absolute dog..

I have worked with computers since i was a young boy that was over 15 years now, i passed my A+ certification to become a IT technician, all tho this was mainly hardware side, i still was taught the software side also,the networking blah blah .... Always make sure you have a good antivirus and malware application, try to use a vpn if and were possible... Microsoft and windows defender sux balls and is about as much use as a chocolate teapot...

Sorry i wont go on haha god damn it why did i become interested in Personal computers/technology i dont know.

Interesting. I've been using computers since around 1992. My first pc was a 386 dx2 I think it was, but my philosophy is a little different. I follow the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" philosophy so I avoid updates at all costs. I also avoid using any antivirus or malware including what comes with windows. I find these programs to act just like viruses or trojans by scanning all your files constantly and thus slowing your computer down. I mean you literally give permission to whichever anti-virus company you're using to see everything you have on your computer. I remember one time I inadvertently updated windows only to find that all my "downloaded pc games" stopped working. I wonder who's security that update was protecting. I find the best way to deal with viruses is knowing exactly what you're installing on your pc. You should also keep your C drive relatively light and save all your data on a secondary drive. Create restore points before you install any questionable programs. Lastly if you do see problems, reinstalling windows is the fastest way to clean your pc.(at least with windows 7) I can reinstall windows with all the drivers I need in about 20 mins due to the fact that I keep my data on a secondary drive that includes all updates and drivers for all the software I use.

pustal · Sep 9, 2018

It's only fair. Windows 7 is a decade old OS, that at this point isn't a source of revenue but rather a cost that Microsoft only mantains for both reassuring partners and costumers. It isn't sold to retail or OEM anymore and the resources to maintain it is an extra cost.

Lacius said:
Unless you have hardware or software incompatibilities, there is no reason not to update to Windows 10. It's more secure, it's faster, it's generally lighter on RAM, and it has more features.

As mentioned in the first post, Windows 7 will also stop receiving security updates in 2020, and Windows 8.1 will stop receiving security updates in 2023.

Windows 10 is not faster. Try to use in the same machine / machine specs Windows 7 and Windows 10. Windows 10 is considerably slower and consumes more resources. Some of it are features that they traded-off like Background Intelligent Transfer, other is the telemetry embedded.

And telemetry is the main concern for many people not want to use it. I simply disable it in the registry and in the services list, but it's not a user friendly solution.

NeoSlyde · Sep 9, 2018

If you have a lapshit: Windows 7
If you have a decent modern PC: Windows 10 all the way

Windows 10 is the best OS ever.

kumikochan · Sep 9, 2018

Don't get why people are making a problem out of this. It's their platform and i don't see it as a bad thing

Canna · Sep 9, 2018

comput3rus3r said:
Interesting. I've been using computers since I around 1992. My first pc was a 386 dx2 I think it was, but my philosophy is a little different. I follow the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" philosophy so I avoid updates at all costs. I also avoid using any antivirus or malware including what comes with windows. I find these programs to act just like viruses or trojans by scanning all your files constantly and thus slowing your computer down. I mean you literally give permission to whichever anti-virus company you're using to see everything you have on your computer. I remember one time I inadvertently updated windows only to find that all my "downloaded pc games" stopped working. I wonder who's security that update was protecting. I find the best way to deal with viruses is knowing exactly what you're installing on your pc. You should also keep your C drive relatively light and save all your data on a secondary drive. Create restore points before you install any questionable programs. Lastly if you do see problems, reinstalling windows is the fastest way to clean your pc.(at least with windows 7) I can reinstall windows with all the drivers I need in about 20 mins due to the fact that I keep my data on a secondary drive that includes all updates and drivers for all the software I use.

Thats right if it isnt broken dont fix it,, the more you put on the more that can go wrong... some updates can cause issues some cannot.. some are there to support more hardware some there to break it, always ironing out the kinks or making more....Of course a scan slows your computer down its accessing your data on your drive...Unless you mean mcaffee or norton then yeah them fckrs were a system hogg...You dont know always what your installing or were you got the computer aids from... well some advance users do and know what to avoid were as the average or less experienced gets a virus or malware per day... its a cruel world.
I would say that reinstalling is a clean way, and you notice a improvement on speed on fresh install only dues to less registry entries and services programs etc so on.. but every program is a bloatware. Pc gets fat..
And agree on keeping your c drive light less clutter faster access room for updates. my rig has 250gb ssd purely just for windows and updates yada yada overkill but always room, all data is on mechanical 6tb erray and has backups and play my games of the other 2 500gb ssds..

But yeah interesting what you are talking about, feel your pains.. live and learn i guess..

Lacius · Sep 9, 2018

pustal said:
It's only fair. Windows 7 is a decade old OS, that at this point isn't a source of revenue but rather a cost that Microsoft only mantains for both reassuring partners and costumers. It isn't sold to retail or OEM anymore and the resources to maintain it is an extra cost.

Windows 10 is not faster. Try to use in the same machine / machine specs Windows 7 and Windows 10. Windows 10 is considerably slower and consumes more resources. Some of it are features that they traded-off like Background Intelligent Transfer, other is the telemetry embedded.

And telemetry is the main concern for many people not want to use it. I simply disable it in the registry and in the services list, but it's not a user friendly solution.

Windows 8, 8.1, and 10 use far less RAM, for example, than Windows 7 on low-RAM machines.

There are lots of reasons why an older computer might feel slower with Windows 10, including but not limited to non-native drivers, but Windows 10 is generally snappier than Windows 7.

Telemetry is a legitimate concern, but relative to the other things I mentioned, it's a non-issue.

smileyhead · Sep 9, 2018

NeoSlyde said:
If you have a lapshit: Windows 7
If you have a decent modern PC: Windows 10 all the way

Windows 10 is the best OS ever.

You do know that most modern laptops (hell, even ones from 5 years ago) can run Windows 10 fine and provide a good user experience as long as you don't plan on hardcore gaming, right?

NeoSlyde · Sep 9, 2018

smileyhead said:
You do know that most modern laptops (hell, even ones from 5 years ago) can run Windows 10 fine and provide a good user experience as long as you don't plan on hardcore gaming, right?

Well you can always activate Game Mode, it will reduce process so you get better performance while playing.

Lacius · Sep 9, 2018

WildDog said:
Why would give AGAIN another chance for a free upgrade?? The one they did at the start lasted for a loooooong time, more than enough for every single user of Win 7 to upgrade... Those who refused, well their lose.

That "spyware" is far from being a secret well hiding by MS, people just need to read what they are installing...

Oh i see you never used Win 7 when it was brand new....

Why not? Microsoft never lied about when the support for an OS will end, you have the tables. It was not a secret, all the OS have a lifespan. Making an update cost resources to Microsoft, so i don't what's wrong to charge for updates for an OS that is no longer supported.
They did respect their part of the contract.

One can still update from Windows 7 to Windows 10 for free if one knows what he or she is doing.

blahblah · Sep 9, 2018

The user submitted news area is so bad. 99% fake news.

The thing the OP refers to is for large enterprise, as part of their support contracts. It is not a general public thing. The customers referred to are large enterprises. The offer itself is not new, it was offered for XP too.

WildDog · Sep 9, 2018

Lacius said:
One can still update from Windows 7 to Windows 10 for free if one knows what he or she is doing.

The offer to "get windows x" did end 2 years ago, yes some tools still work... But then again you are risking getting your legal win 7 license banned if Microsoft one day wants to take action against those who abused the tools. Which i doubt.

MiiJack · Sep 9, 2018

There's a typo in the title, it should be receive

. On another note, what are the minimum specs for Windows 10, it somewhat lags on my laptop.

Sakitoshi · Sep 9, 2018

Whats wrong with this?? will win7 just stop working if you don't pay for the updates?? of course not!
security updates do absolutely nothing for the average user, only paranoids think those things are important.
as a matter of fact I have been running without antivirus (I have defender disabled too) for years now and no virus has infected my pc's. I'm just smart enough to not execute shady programs.

win10 isn't as bad as people make it out to be, not now at least. sure it had several problems at first but now a very little portion of those problems remain.
do I have to remind everyone that XP was a horrible mess when it launched and absolutely nothing worked?
Vista wasn't a success when it launched either, but after SP1 it became as stable as 7.
7 also had problems (mainly the same compatibility problems as Vista) but those were quickly fixed since fixes for Vista were already in the works or released and also worked on 7. that made people think that 7 was highly superior when in reality it was mostly the same but with a second coat of paint.

FAST6191 said:
Curious to see the if not dislike then disapproval of Windows 7. I can't say it was their best (for my money if they could smoosh XP and 7 together to iron out XP's rough edges but keep its ability to do what I tell it that would be it) but everybody I met has really enjoyed 7 and 10 always has mixed opinions, especially with the mobile unification push.

Anyway probably got about 2 years before it really starts to be a problem for anything I have nominal responsibility for, and with a decent setup could probably push it beyond that as well.

OS's don't evolve like that, you can't just make a baby out of XP and 7 because Vista is XP with those edges smoothed and 7 is Vista with more edges smoothed.

Deleted User · Sep 9, 2018

In my eyes I prefer Windows 7, purely due to the fact that in W10 I end up disabling a lot of the OS's functionality such as UWP, Edge and the MS store (plus telemetry) because I just don't care enough to use it, and also because I hate being tied to just one ecosystem. With Windows 7 you had to grab an AV Program, drivers if you were using a custom rig and a web browser and the OS was perfect.

SomeKindOfUsername · Sep 9, 2018

I know how this sounds, but if you're a home user and your hardware cannot support Windows 10 optimally then you really should upgrade already.

Canna said:
how about you give windows users on 7 a free update to 10 before you shut it down

WildDog said:
The offer to "get windows x" did end 2 years ago, yes some tools still work... But then again you are risking getting your legal win 7 license banned if Microsoft one day wants to take action against those who abused the tools. Which i doubt.

Just FYI, you can still activate Windows 10 with a 7 or 8 key if you have one. The only time this didn't work I contacted tech support and after verifying the key was legit gave me a new one. This will deactivate whatever machine was using that key before of course, but that should be expected.

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