Hacking Nintendo Switch Banning Hub & Warning

KingMuk · Aug 31, 2018

Original Post 7-23-18

Update #1 7/29/18

Update #2 8-10-18

As promised here is my next update following Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate release.

Did you use/restore a clean hack-free NAND before going online? No! DIdn't even realize we could do that before hand!
Can you use the eShop on the Switch? Yep!
Do you get error code 2137-7403 trying to update your system firmware? Nope! I am up to date!
Can you login to Nintendo's website using your linked Nintendo Account? Yep!
SX OS used? Yes! 1.6
Trimmed .XCI? Nope! Haven't ran any xci or backups of any kind
Did you connect to the Internet with SX OS and/or to activate the license? Nope! 100% offline when in CFW
Did you play any .XCI files online with a certificate/header? No! Haven't ran any backups
Do you have a certificate/header ban (look for error code 2124-4025)? No! Cause I haven't ran any backups
Lowest SX Version used when Online/Offline (NOT Switch System Firmware)? 1.3
What do you use Non-TX LayeredFS for? Don't use it at all
Did you connect to the Internet with a non-TX LayeredFS Inject? No!
Played online w/ Non-TX Layered FS Injects? No!
Did you inject an .XCI certificate using LayeredFS to play online? NO!
Used DevMenu? No!
Installed any .NSP? No!
Did you connect to the Internet w/ any .NSP installed? No!
Did you play any .NSP installed online? No!
Did you perform any CDN/Freeshop downloading with your own Switch's certificate? No!
Did you update your backups online? None cause I haven't ran any backups!
Homebrew/non-TX CFW Used? Yes! EdiZon & GCdumptool //ZERO Crashes
Connect to Internet w/ homebrew/non-TX CFW? No!
Connect to eShop while using CFW/homebrew? No!
AutoRCM? No!
Did you update your firmware w/o burning fuses? Yes!
Did you install the exFAT update offline? No!
receive-lp1.dg.srv.nintendo.net blocked and/or "Don't Share Usage Information" ticked under "Other Settings"? No!
Do you have eclct disabled (look for pm.kip under sysmodules/modules)? I don't know what this is so whatever the default setting is...is what I got it set as
Do you have creport enabled (look for a folder named 0100000000000036 under titles)? Again IDK what this is so whatever the default setting is...is what I got it set as
What firmware(s) were you on when you cleared error logs prior to going online? Never cleared error logs
Disabled "Send Error Information" in System Settings? Yes!
Wi-Fi settings deleted? Yes in tablet mode (which is when I use CFW/Homebrew) and No in docked mode (when I play with my retail game cards)
Airplane mode? No!
Auto-Update Software Enabled in System Settings? Yes!
Console/Account Region(s) USA
What device(s) do you use to send payloads with? SX Pro
If Banned, provide proof (video preferred) Not banned as of 8-31-2018
Additional Comments:

I have edited my Octopath Traveler (retail game cart) save file to the high heavens lol and I also edited my Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate (retail game cart) save file with 99 of whatever items I get once in game AND max $$$. I've also gone online with this save file since MHGenU's release a few days ago. I've downloaded, uninstalled, and downloaded again a few FREE Eshop games like Fortnite and Paladins. I've downloaded game updates and DLC's too and all of this of course being on OFW.

EDIT: Almost forgot that ever since Update #2 that I started playing my switch online a ton with games like MK8D, Fortnite, Paladins, and some other hot garbage

Will update again at the end of next month (September) after Nintendo's online service comes out
which I will be purchasing under the assumption that I'm not banned. Regardless I'll update and inform you guys.

Xomcar · Aug 31, 2018

I was just wondering... My ns is not yet banned, I used Checkpoint, ftp and a vba-next (crashed 2 times) a couple of times with hekate 3-4 weeks ago...
I bought a second ns system to use online and was wondering, if I do a system transfer between the two system now that I am still not banned, is there any possibility that in the future I'll get banned on both consoles?

lufeig · Aug 31, 2018

uman01 said:
sorry, im a little confused, in the form you said you update your backups online via OFW, is that possible?
because afaik i can only update the .xci game when the switch in sx os mode, and i need to connect to the internet to do that.
but in the form you write Y on wi fi settings deleted, which mean your switch is offline. cmiiw, i am a new user of sx os and still haven't used it intensively since i still play my legit games right now.

yes, it is possible to update xci on official firmware. some people say it is not recommendable, though

and whenever I run cfw, I delete the internet settings before, on ofw

peteruk · Aug 31, 2018

Quick question for people who are banned / super banned

Are you able to access the News applet and load any of the videos ?

KHEOPS · Aug 31, 2018

Peteruk no...
Any connection on nintendo servers are cut, your nand is backlisted on nintendo servers...
Lufeig
No I'm not banned, Since I'm self-banking ( autoban by me),I say play offline with xci,nsp
I update my games on the pc,I transfer on my sd card the updates,I update my switch games in plane mode, stealth ( v1.6) sxos pro custom firmware
I don't play in network,but the day I want,I can my own nand is waiting,and my current corrupted nand will never be seen by nintendo...

peteruk · Aug 31, 2018

KHEOPS said:
Peteruk no...
Any connection on nintendo servers are cut, your nand is backlisted on nintendo servers...
Lufeig
No I'm not banned, Since I'm self-banking ( autoban by me),I say play offline with xci,nsp
I update my games on the pc,I transfer on my sd card the updates,I update my switch games in plane mode, stealth ( v1.6) sxos pro custom firmware
I don't play in network,but the day I want,I can my own nand is waiting,and my current corrupted nand will never be seen by nintendo...

That's helpful, thanks...

I like to check if I'm banned or not every few days and this is a very quick way of checking (as opposed to re linking and checking eShop every time)

KHEOPS · Aug 31, 2018

I promise you that if you check eshop, you have everything interesting restored nand before, otherwise... badaboum the ban
All those who have checked eshop without taking its precautions, are no longer part of the nintendo online party.
It would be a shame if nintendo banned your nand, the certificate of your console, especially since emunand is far from unrealizable, and I think that in 6 months maximum, an emunand will be ready.... It would be a shame to play the impatient child, while I have 250GB of game and update (eur)

Otherwise bought a switch for the online, there will never be a better solution, emunand is great, but always a problem can happen, with 2 switch, it's perfect, but it's expensive and not within the reach of all purses, when I see saving 1 to 3 € for a jig, or buying a sxos pro, see or I want to come...

djcraze · Aug 31, 2018

Question for the banned:

I started my journey on SXOS 1.5 with stealth mode. I only used XCI Cart emulation. I saw that SX said it’s safe to go online on OFW when using XCI. So I went back to OFW and one of the games started to update!! I stopped it as quickly as I could and disabled auto updates for the future. Something tells me this is a guaranteed ban since it wasn’t a game I purchased and probably had a blacklisted cert. sooo am I correct? Or is there hope? Also, how long does it usually take to be banned after going online?

Thanks!

KHEOPS · Aug 31, 2018

I've already posted a message like this, but xecuter really needs to update their site with a big warning banner before anything else,dump the nand,then have fun offline,and restore the nand for the brave... Online
Because I have the impression that executing doesn't get the right message across, apart from promoting xci as the safest, but either users got a bad response to the questionnaire, or users were banned using xci online...

My answer
When nintendo has decided, to trigger the wave, in a word enjoy the online, and even more while you are there, I do not encourage anyone to do anything, but I know that people have been banned to download games with cdn, so how much time do you have left? I don't know...

Draxzelex · Aug 31, 2018

Xomcar said:
I was just wondering... My ns is not yet banned, I used Checkpoint, ftp and a vba-next (crashed 2 times) a couple of times with hekate 3-4 weeks ago...
I bought a second ns system to use online and was wondering, if I do a system transfer between the two system now that I am still not banned, is there any possibility that in the future I'll get banned on both consoles?

Most likely not unless the second system violates the Terms of Service, but with Nintendo you never know. Bans are usually applied to the system and not the account because you can get banned without linking a Nintendo Account so its hard to say how much they check the Nintendo Account.

djcraze said:
Question for the banned:

I started my journey on SXOS 1.5 with stealth mode. I only used XCI Cart emulation. I saw that SX said it’s safe to go online on OFW when using XCI. So I went back to OFW and one of the games started to update!! I stopped it as quickly as I could and disabled auto updates for the future. Something tells me this is a guaranteed ban since it wasn’t a game I purchased and probably had a blacklisted cert. sooo am I correct? Or is there hope? Also, how long does it usually take to be banned after going online?

Thanks!

Well you don't need a cert to update a game but you did connect a hacked console online to update a backup so you may have been flagged. There's enough evidence here to support the conclusion that OFW is not safe for preventing bans. And when it comes to bans, Nintendo usually does it in waves and there hasn't been a banwave ever since June. The recent CDN banwave may have just been adjustments made to their server to convert people who are already banned to CDN bans and thus no new users were banned.

Jakkal666 · Aug 31, 2018

Just read about 1.6 on Xecuters website, and am curious about this:

With Stealth Mode enabled your Switch system is not able to send any Switch personal information to Nintendo's servers while still allowing basic Internet functionality (for eg homebrew). Things like local WiFi play is also still possible!
Keep in mind Stealth Mode is only active when you are running SX OS! If you occasionally boot back into original Switch firmware you may expose yourself to a ban risk if you have modified your Switch system by installing NSP titles for example, so we do not recommend this!
Playing XCI titles in SX OS with Stealth Mode enabled should NOT get you banned when booting/using your original Switch firmware online. This is why we personally prefer our Game Cartridge emulation solution, and so should you!

What the heck do they mean?
You can't boot OFW, especially not if you have installed .NSP's. Ok, I get that. Because they could be eShop-titles, which aren't obtainable in any other official way than buying them from the store tied to an account.

But the second paragraph there, I don't even understand what they mean:
"Playing XCI titles in SX OS with Stealth Mode enabled should NOT get you banned when booting/using your original Switch firmware online."

To begin with, playing XCI's in SX OS is CFW. Booting OFW is something entirely different. What exacly does Stealth Mode do? They state that it prevents the Switch from sending personal information to Nintendos servers. Can I go online with SX OS while in Stealth Mode and update games without being banned?

Draxzelex · Aug 31, 2018

Jakkal666 said:
Just read about 1.6 on Xecuters website, and am curious about this:

With Stealth Mode enabled your Switch system is not able to send any Switch personal information to Nintendo's servers while still allowing basic Internet functionality (for eg homebrew). Things like local WiFi play is also still possible!

Keep in mind Stealth Mode is only active when you are running SX OS! If you occasionally boot back into original Switch firmware you may expose yourself to a ban risk if you have modified your Switch system by installing NSP titles for example, so we do not recommend this!

Playing XCI titles in SX OS with Stealth Mode enabled should NOT get you banned when booting/using your original Switch firmware online. This is why we personally prefer our Game Cartridge emulation solution, and so should you!

What the heck do they mean?
You can't boot OFW, especially not if you have installed .NSP's. Ok, I get that. Because they could be eShop-titles, which aren't obtainable in any other official way than buying them from the store tied to an account.

But the second paragraph there, I don't even understand what they mean:
"Playing XCI titles in SX OS with Stealth Mode enabled should NOT get you banned when booting/using your original Switch firmware online."

To begin with, playing XCI's in SX OS is CFW. Booting OFW is something entirely different. What exacly does Stealth Mode do? They state that it prevents the Switch from sending personal information to Nintendos servers. Can I go online with SX OS while in Stealth Mode and update games without being banned?

Stealth Mode is basically an Airplane Mode for Nintendo-related online services. While it is absolutely impossible to get banned for using it, you can't do anything online stuff if it involves Nintendo's servers. They don't prevent bans, they delay bans because once you exit Stealth Mode and connect online, you will still get flagged. Only way Stealth Mode would stop working is if Nintendo updates their URLs which I don't think firmware 6.0 alters but it breaks a lot of things so don't update to 6.0 just yet.

Jakkal666 · Aug 31, 2018

Draxzelex said:
Stealth Mode is basically an Airplane Mode for Nintendo-related online services. While it is absolutely impossible to get banned for using it, you can't do anything online stuff if it involves Nintendo's servers.

So the Switch isn't online at all while in Stealth Mode? Is there any way to update games (XCI's) as of today without risking a ban?

Draxzelex · Aug 31, 2018

Jakkal666 said:
So the Switch isn't online at all while in Stealth Mode? Is there any way to update games (XCI's) as of today without risking a ban?

It is online in Stealth Mode. For example, you can use FTP without worry of getting banned in Stealth Mode. And the best way to update .XCI games would be to update them with their respective. NSP files. Updating them online presents an inherent risk, no matter how "safe" it may appear.

Jakkal666 · Aug 31, 2018

Draxzelex said:
IAnd the best way to update .XCI games would be to update them with their respective. NSP files.

Yeah I suppose it would. NSP's per-se aren't dangerous, atleast they shouldn't be if they are updates and not games.

But installing NSP's using the built-in feature in SX OS, it isn't similar to using Devmenu? And using Devmenu is from my understanding not that great. The built-in feature for installing NSP's, is doesn't leave traces of some sort?
I haven't installed a single NSP on my Switch yet, as I've been playing the waiting game to see if countermeasures against banning were to be deployed. I haven't been online at all with the Switch since I received my SX OS Pro some months ago.

Draxzelex · Aug 31, 2018

Jakkal666 said:
Yeah I suppose it would. NSP's per-se aren't dangerous, atleast they shouldn't be if they are updates and not games.

But installing NSP's using the built-in feature in SX OS, it isn't similar to using Devmenu? And using Devmenu is from my understanding not that great. The built-in feature for installing NSP's, is doesn't leave traces of some sort?
I haven't installed a single NSP on my Switch yet, as I've been playing the waiting game to see if countermeasures against banning were to be deployed. I haven't been online at all with the Switch since I received my SX OS Pro some months ago.

The UI isn't similar to DevMenu but the basic process is. Actually, the built-in installer of SX OS is more similar to Tinfoil than DevMenu. Regardless of whatever installer you use, it will leave traces. And currently the only way to remove such traces is with a clean NAND backup made before hacking. If you don't have one, it might be best to stay offline if you care about being banned until the community devises a better way to remove such traces.

Yami Anubis ZX · Aug 31, 2018

KHEOPS said:
I promise you that if you check eshop, you have everything interesting restored nand before, otherwise... badaboum the ban
All those who have checked eshop without taking its precautions, are no longer part of the nintendo online party.
It would be a shame if nintendo banned your nand, the certificate of your console, especially since emunand is far from unrealizable, and I think that in 6 months maximum, an emunand will be ready.... It would be a shame to play the impatient child, while I have 250GB of game and update (eur)

Otherwise bought a switch for the online, there will never be a better solution, emunand is great, but always a problem can happen, with 2 switch, it's perfect, but it's expensive and not within the reach of all purses, when I see saving 1 to 3 € for a jig, or buying a sxos pro, see or I want to come...

Actually if you were apart of the Xbox 360 scene, you would know Microsoft kind of did the same thing as Nintendo with there account system but also 360 had efuses aswell but over time hackers found ways to get back online, even though they were banned permanently and there console aswell, I would not rule out anything considering how far tech has advanced.

This is just another cat and mouse game as usual, also here's a secret, 30 years from now, those online servers on the Switch wont be working anymore, so people will have to find work arounds for online, this is why Nintendo online is of no use to me, it's a ticking time bomb and there will be other ways of going online using a PC and making up a custom server.

KHEOPS · Aug 31, 2018

It is already possible for p2p switch games to be played on network
Outside nintendo network
network close Yes like xlink kai, I think I saw a subject here on switch...

I agree with you, but if the flaw did not come because of nvidia and its gpu, I can guarantee you that the switch would not be pirated yet, and this even in 2020, does not underestimate nintendo, he learns from his mistakes(nds,n3ds,wii,wii u) ,and none before him had ever responded so aggressively before, closing Roma sites, even if it is not copyrighte nintendo,genesis,neogeo,in addition to the ban that is becoming superban,the mariko model,plus another in approach,and the firmware6.0, all this in 2 months, so I'd be careful, confucius said it I believe it

hajali · Aug 31, 2018

Draxzelex said:
I would highly recommend doing so because it is a pain to unlink a Nintendo Account from a banned console especially if you have purchases made on that Nintendo Account.

thanks dear

Nyaako · Sep 1, 2018

Does anyone know if they've been banned from only backing up and restoring saves using homebrew?

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