You would have to get a BBB dump and create your own for the same game. Then extract both and compare. According to BBB, only their dumps have "all" the files.
That's very weird. I don't like the idea of having to download their dumps even when I can make my own... :v
IMHO, as long as your dumps work, keep using them. It doesn't matter to the big N if you're nsp is missing a file or not. They will most likely ban you eventually regardless.
For me personally, I don't care about being banned off the eshop as I never plan on buying any games that I cannot sell after I'm done with them. I will not pay for the online multiplayer service as I don't feel it's right to buy a $40+ and then have to pay extra to use the "included features" such as multiplayer. As long as I can play cartridge game and update them, I'm good. If they block me from buying the dlc for a game, then I guess I have other methods for obtaining them which they forced me to use.
Oh wait.... FUCK THOSE GAMES FOR NOW!! They are shite anyway.... or go play them on a different system..... PS4 maybe???
Why does every f'ing thread become another fanboy flame war about NSP vs XCI?
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They are file formats.
Here guys, let's start some other equally stupid fan wars.
JPG vs PNG? (zomg lossless)
DOC vs DOCX??? (old school is best amiright dont need new features)
ISO vs BIN? (lolwut?)
XML vs JSON (hint: both for nerds)
Maybe then we can fight over the pronunciation of GIF. I know I'd rather do that than actually play my games on whatever f'ing format is most convenient for my personal situation.
/sarcasm
As for BBB, the more I look into it the more convinced I am that they're full of sh*t. I'd have to get an actual copy of their release and look inside it, but I strongly suspect that the additional files they include are redundant information. The jpegs 100% are. See my previous posts if you want to know what I'm talking about.
The best way to know would be to have documentation or source code for the NSP install function. I believe I saw somewhere that the switch OS has a system call for installing gaming files and it supports NSP - if so I can only assume that existing installers are calling that function, right? Any files not directly read or copied by that function are not needed, imo. I've looked in the SD folder at the installed games, and their the only files are the NCA files. I don't know which files are copied into system memory, and I don't know what other information is pulled from the NSP files and added to the operating system (for example, the title icon, developer, and other metadata are surely read and stored in the OS when the game is registered).
As a reminder for you guys - NSPs are nothing but an archive, like a tarball. It takes an arbitrary set of files and glues them together, then slaps a header at the top that describes the names of the files, how big they are and where they start in the file so you can unpack the files. That's literally all it is. You can make an NSP out of your vacation photos. There isn't even any encryption or compression. It is actually a renamed PFS0 file-type, which is a type of file system / file archive that, along with ROMFS, is used by NCAs to pack the game files up. A game can "mount" the file so the files can be read just like loading up a directory in your file manager. So yeah, I'm not sure that NSP is even a strictly defined thing, unless Nintendo has some documentation about what the file type is "supposed" to have. I'd LOVE to see that, actually.
edit: Let me make it clear that I'm not accusing BBB of being wrong, exactly, and I don't want to throw shade even though I used the unfortunate phrase "full of sh*t". I'm no switch expert - either they know something I don't, in which case I'm happy to be enlightened, or they don't know squat and are posing. Without knowing what that "something" is I'm just left guessing, as is everyone else. The vagueness of what an NSP is allows anyone to claim "this" is what an NSP really is, but nothing short of nintendo documentation (or an NSP handed straight to you on a usb stick from a nintendo dev) can confirm or deny it. Even reading source code or tracing what the switch does when the NSP is installed wouldn't be enough, because there might be data in an NSP that isn't being used *now*, but might be important later when they add code to access it in future firmware.
S
T
O
P
They are file formats.
Here guys, let's start some other equally stupid fan wars.
JPG vs PNG? (zomg lossless)
DOC vs DOCX??? (old school is best amiright dont need new features)
ISO vs BIN? (lolwut?)
XML vs JSON (hint: both for nerds)
Maybe then we can fight over the pronunciation of GIF. I know I'd rather do that than actually play my games on whatever f'ing format is most convenient for my personal situation.
/sarcasm
As for BBB, the more I look into it the more convinced I am that they're full of sh*t. I'd have to get an actual copy of their release and look inside it, but I strongly suspect that the additional files they include are redundant information. The jpegs 100% are. See my previous posts if you want to know what I'm talking about.
The best way to know would be to have documentation or source code for the NSP install function. I believe I saw somewhere that the switch OS has a system call for installing gaming files and it supports NSP - if so I can only assume that existing installers are calling that function, right? Any files not directly read or copied by that function are not needed, imo. I've looked in the SD folder at the installed games, and their the only files are the NCA files. I don't know which files are copied into system memory, and I don't know what other information is pulled from the NSP files and added to the operating system (for example, the title icon, developer, and other metadata are surely read and stored in the OS when the game is registered).
As a reminder for you guys - NSPs are nothing but an archive, like a tarball. It takes an arbitrary set of files and glues them together, then slaps a header at the top that describes the names of the files, how big they are and where they start in the file so you can unpack the files. That's literally all it is. You can make an NSP out of your vacation photos. There isn't even any encryption or compression. It is actually a renamed PFS0 file-type, which is a type of file system / file archive that, along with ROMFS, is used by NCAs to pack the game files up. A game can "mount" the file so the files can be read just like loading up a directory in your file manager. So yeah, I'm not sure that NSP is even a strictly defined thing, unless Nintendo has some documentation about what the file type is "supposed" to have. I'd LOVE to see that, actually.
edit: Let me make it clear that I'm not accusing BBB of being wrong, exactly, and I don't want to throw shade even though I used the unfortunate phrase "full of sh*t". I'm no switch expert - either they know something I don't, in which case I'm happy to be enlightened, or they don't know squat and are posing. Without knowing what that "something" is I'm just left guessing, as is everyone else. The vagueness of what an NSP is allows anyone to claim "this" is what an NSP really is, but nothing short of nintendo documentation (or an NSP handed straight to you on a usb stick from a nintendo dev) can confirm or deny it. Even reading source code or tracing what the switch does when the NSP is installed wouldn't be enough, because there might be data in an NSP that isn't being used *now*, but might be important later when they add code to access it in future firmware.
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You are a moron mate. You have no idea what you're talking about. And you have no idea what the "scene" is by what you state.
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Are you trying to insinuate that these eshop only games are not worth playing? I hope that's not what you're saying because that's the stupidest thing anyone could ever say
Not sure why BBB releases all this NSPs, but yea.
They're not "better" than the other NSPs you can find on the internet or download from cdn.
They just have additional Files in it (xmls and jpgs).
These files aren't even used for the installation.
DevMenu and Tinfoil both ignore these files because they're not relevant for the installation.
These additional Files are only used at the last process before the Game gets published (LotCheck).
Installing BBB-NSPs isn't the best idea (if you're not banned yet).
Since the tickets are all "fake", there's a very high risk of getting banned when going online.
If you really want to install and play NSPs, find a way to reencrypt the NCAs with Standard Crypto to get rid of the fake tik/cert.
They're not "better" than the other NSPs you can find on the internet or download from cdn.
They just have additional Files in it (xmls and jpgs).
These files aren't even used for the installation.
DevMenu and Tinfoil both ignore these files because they're not relevant for the installation.
These additional Files are only used at the last process before the Game gets published (LotCheck).
Installing BBB-NSPs isn't the best idea (if you're not banned yet).
Since the tickets are all "fake", there's a very high risk of getting banned when going online.
If you really want to install and play NSPs, find a way to reencrypt the NCAs with Standard Crypto to get rid of the fake tik/cert.
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We would need Nintendo's key for that. Hacking their systems is about the only way to get that encryption key. Unless there is a true quantum computer. It would laugh at all current encryption. and it would already know the key as it was just waiting for you to ask it.
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Yeah, no issue for the typical user, all your NSPs will work perfectly, but it's nice these BBB eshop releases are being preserved 100%.
I am a scene figure. The scene has never been about no-intro style archival bullshit. You couldn't be more wrong - leave this discussion to the adults.
Scene is first working wins. Modified or unmodified.
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Mate again that proves you have no idea what you're talking about. The scene has been around a lot longer than Nintendo and you and your selfish needs
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Ive tried a few are there Switch only eshop games worth checking out. They all seem to be ports from other consoles and the usual shitty mobile game ports. Keen to try any good game. Obviously I would never pay for an eshop game
You do not know what you are talking about. Please do not reply to me going forward.
i would say your full of shit
"The game rip needs to be a full "dump"."
thats from scene rules of old Wii shit , and propers are posted all the time for incomplete dumps even if they 'win' , and your crap "first working" gets nuked constantly , you need to
school yourself any jackass can find proof scene is into preservation , i bet half the info posted on redump is from these groups.wtf
you thinkingjust having proper or nuke in the f*n title of the release is 100% proof you are wrong
i think we found a tool
WHAT? dev menu isnt from 5.1.0 , its been out longer and on other consoles
even on Wii it was called NDevMenu.
you're paying the wrong idiots for your info
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I’m not saying that nsp do not have a worth, I just don’t see th point in installing something that can and probably will result in an immediate ban. I have never touched any nsp stuff so far and am not banned despite updating all my xci games using the Nintendo designed way and my kids actually played online using sx but with an original cart.
If and when all this nsp bullshit is cleared up and an agreed standard or safe method of using them is released then I’ll go ahead and start using them.
Also interested in what @garyopa meant with his last post above....
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