Hacking Consolidation of news after patch 11.8. What to do / not to do it.

DatakadjrBkajsbr · Aug 2, 2018

Clarification on some misinformation about the new update

#1 Starting the installed 'cia' game - ̶o̶p̶i̶n̶i̶o̶n̶s̶ ̶d̶i̶f̶f̶e̶r̶ safely same as as on 11.7
#2 Installing the game 'cia' by fbi - safely same as as on 11.7
#3Installing the 'cia' game update via the 3ds menu - safely same as as on 11.7
#4 Playing the online multiplayer game 'cia' - ̶o̶p̶i̶n̶i̶o̶n̶s̶ ̶d̶i̶f̶f̶e̶r̶ safely same as as on 11.7
#5 Using cheat's - not safe, the same as on 11.7

#6 Installing the game through the freeShop program - NOT SAFE
#7Installing a non-owned game through the nintendo store - NOT SAFE

It seems that it is best not to combine cfw 3ds NNID with Switch / Wiiu and use 3DS offline. At least for a few days before we finding out more.

Kubas_inko · Aug 2, 2018

1. Not safe.
4. Not safe.
Because IIRC, Ninty can now detect if you really own the game (just like on switch).

DatakadjrBkajsbr · Aug 2, 2018

Kubas_inko said:
1. Not safe.
4. Not safe.
Because IIRC, Ninty can now detect if you really own the game (just like on switch).

In my understanding of things #1 and #4 risk is same as on 11.7

Edit.
What a shame.
Are we sure that nintendo can detect custom 'cia'?

Kubas_inko · Aug 2, 2018

DatakadjrBkajsbr said:
In my understanding of things #1 and #4 risk is same as on 11.7

Looks like 11.8.0 backports the Switch's aauth ideas to 3ds -- network comms now send an encrypted(?) copy of app ticket to the server.

They may not act on it immediately, but like on Switch this lets N perfectly detect pirate accesses vs normal ones, and ban however they like.
— Michael (@SciresM) July 31, 2018

Actually, you might be right. He is talking about CDN and not cias (I guess... idk now).

WallsAreLiquid · Aug 2, 2018

Regarding №2 & №3: what about seeds? So many people so often forget about them. AFAIK, FBI downloads the seed from Nintendo. So, is it still safe?

Update: Nevermind, I've discovered Hydroseed by metaboss

MahoganyRaichu · Aug 2, 2018

I don't get the first two points. Ok, I've installed the game via fBI , but the first point says that I can't start installed cia game. Soo, I can install via FBI ,but cannot start the game?Or what can I do?

Kubas_inko · Aug 2, 2018

MahoganyRaichu said:
I don't get the first two points. Ok, I've installed the game via fBI , but the first point says that I can't start installed cia game. Soo, I can install via FBI ,but cannot start the game?Or what can I do?

He is speaking about how safe it is to do it.

MahoganyRaichu · Aug 2, 2018

Kubas_inko said:
He is speaking about how safe it is to do it.

But still. It is not safe to run an installed game?Sorry, I'm just feeling so duuumbO_O

Kubas_inko · Aug 2, 2018

MahoganyRaichu said:
But still. It is not safe to run an installed game?Sorry, I'm just feeling so duuumbO_O

Yes. It is not safe, because nintendo can now detect (IIRC) if a game is really yours or not.

butfluffy · Aug 2, 2018

so is it safe to play fbi installed cia games when 3ds wifi is turned off or does firmware 11.8 keep a record of ticket info of what you play and report to ninty servers to flag you soon as you turn wifi back on?
i was hoping to play fbi isntalled cia games with wifi switched off and still be able to turn on wifi to access the eshop in order to purchase some new games and dump them if need be.
from now on not being able to get game updates from nintendo servers is going to be a pain. maybe the 3ds scene needs a site like that unity site for xbox360 where they keep a huge database of game updates.
when needing a update for a 360 game you go to the site and match the title id, download and install.
the unity site method works well for 360 games but we have been spoiled with 3ds updates direct from ninty servers and now thats not possible we need another option.
trawling the usual places on the net net searching for updates will be a real chore without a dedicated 3ds updates site.

Pokemon Fan · Aug 2, 2018

I still have not updated and I have already games installed by the freeshop! Is it not safe to use them if I update??? It seems you only covered CIA files...

CloudvsRoy · Aug 2, 2018

Just don't update until we figure out everything that's going on.

The real question would be if the new firmware applies ticket reporting retroactively to games you already have installed, or if it only works on new games you install after patching. I think it would be very complex to generate and validate tickets for your old games.

Pokemon Fan · Aug 2, 2018

CloudvsRoy said:
Just don't update until we figure out everything that's going on.

The real question would be if the new firmware applies ticket reporting retroactively to games you already have installed, or if it only works on new games you install after patching. I think it would be very complex to generate and validate tickets for your old games.

Ok thanks, then I will wait. But what do you mean by "very complex to generate and validated tickets for you old games" ? Does this means that they will be invalid once I update or that nintendo will not be able to block online the games I already have? D:

UsualNoise · Aug 2, 2018

I haven't seen an answer to this in any threads yet:

If I have ripped a copy of a game I physically own and installed the .cia digitally using GodMode ... is it safe under 11.8 to 1) launch that game and 2) play online with it? Is there any possibility of this being flagged as a ban-able offense?

hotaru251 · Aug 2, 2018

UsualNoise said:
I haven't seen an answer to this in any threads yet:

If I have ripped a copy of a game I physically own and installed the .cia digitally using GodMode ... is it safe under 11.8 to 1) launch that game and 2) play online with it? Is there any possibility of this being flagged as a ban-able offense?

from what I know they'd list you as using a illegal game as it wasnt a digital copy you bought but a physical one(which shouldnt be a cia)

my2k2zx2 · Aug 2, 2018

So not safe to go online at all if I have any cia installed?
I only used online for pokemon shuffle, not worth risking a ban for that.

UsualNoise · Aug 2, 2018

hotaru251 said:
from what I know they'd list you as using a illegal game as it wasnt a digital copy you bought but a physical one(which shouldnt be a cia)

Interesting. So would this also apply to Sky3DS+ as well, or would that still 'appear' to be a physical cart? I'd love to NOT have to go back to Sky3DS (as I just recently went the CFW route) to play online ... but I guess I may have to.

bluhacks · Aug 2, 2018

Is there anyway we can get online to work on lower versions? I know there was one homebrew application called ctr-something that allows you to access stuff without updating, but it's dead/patched after 11.5.

Noroxus · Aug 3, 2018

Kubas_inko said:
1. Not safe.
4. Not safe.
Because IIRC, Ninty can now detect if you really own the game (just like on switch).

Please stop spreading misinformation....
Let me quote astronautlevel for this one. CLICK ON SPOILER

NoNAND · Aug 3, 2018

Sometimes i wondet whether or not in a future update the 3ds will have a switch-like UI

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