Homebrew Avoiding Haxchi & CBHC

_davvid_ · Jul 16, 2018

Hi!

So I bought a used Wii U with both Haxchi and CBHC already installed, because I didn't knew about all the things you shouldn't do, I formatted it and it bricked. I bought a replacement console without any Homebrew in it and I was able to launch the Homebrew Launcher trough the browserhax.

I've been using the noob guide but I have some questions:

Without Haxchi and CBHC I still can play Wii U (with DLC, don't care about online gaming) and Gamecube games from a HDD right? With WUP Installer and Mocha CFW right?

Is there a way to play Gamecube games without the need to go to vWii? (I already have a hacked Wii and I don't wanna do everything again on the vWii, but I want to play GC games in the gamepad).

Adding games directly to the launch screen is a no-go?

So I'm still a little scared about bricking my Wii U but I'm learning from all of you, thank you!!!

Spendy39 · Jul 16, 2018

I would just stick CBHC back on. Its a simple process I have never had issues with it. I use WII USB Helper to get all my WII U games and DLC and updates. It also creates Gamecube games and shows up on the screen and can be played with the wii u pad. Just need to have the iso of the game on the PC.

Sorry just seen you want to avoid CBHC

Cyan · Jul 16, 2018

you have two choices if you want only temporary CFW (no CBHC) :

1. run the browser hax
or
2. install Haxchi

both allows you to do what you want, and you'll need one or the other every time you need to access homebrew OR patch the firmware.

You should note :

1)
patching the firmware is not always required !
patching the firmware is needed ONLY if you need to install or launch a non-disc game : eShop or DLC, or disc game but from another region.

If you only install or launch a "disc based" game from your region, then you don't need to patch the firmware !

2)
NEVER USE MOCHA if you don't need its extra features (debug mode)!
people should stop thinking mocha is the only alternative to cbhc.
there are other firmware patchers. CBHC and mocha are not the only CFW.
Mocha is too heavy and slow, it has many features you don't need and will never use. there's no need to use mocha if all you want is play games. You should prefer a lightweight CFW instead.

if you don't want haxchi (Why ? there's no brick risk at all), then I recommend you use the "Simple signature check patcher" CFW. it's fast, and does what you want. (signature patcher, and region free)
if you install haxchi (recommended), then haxchi IS the cfw patcher, you don't need to run another patcher. again, remember that you don't even need to run haxchi if you don't need CFW (disc based game from your region without DLC don't require CFW).

_davvid_ said:
Is there a way to play Gamecube games without the need to go to vWii? (I already have a hacked Wii and I don't wanna do everything again on the vWii, but I want to play GC games in the gamepad).

If you don't want to go to vWii for gamecube, then you need CFW patched.
but yes, it's possible to run gamecube without going to vWii, you can even use the WiiU gamepad. look on the forum, search for the WiiU WiiVC patcher script thread.

_davvid_ said:
(I already have a hacked Wii and I don't wanna do everything again on the vWii, but I want to play GC games in the gamepad).

everything?
that's another newbies false belief.

There's only the HBC needed to install. That's all. Not "everything".
nintendont only needs the homebrew channel, and that's all.

If you want to play with gamepad, then you'll have to do A LOT of work, a lot more than if you launched from vWii. but I'm sure you're ready to spend more time installing games on WiiU than you'd needed to install "everything" on vWii.
edit:
if you proceed to create the gamecube channel, only add one channel (a nintendont forwarder), not one channel per game. It's possible too, but it's lot of work for nothing. I personally think it's easier/faster to just create a nintendont launcher, and have all games loaded from SD. but if you don't have enough space on SD for all your games, you can create one channel per gamecube game and install them on WiiU HDD. It's up to you.

anyway, good luck on your decision.
I still recommend haxchi over browserhax.

_davvid_ · Jul 17, 2018

Cyan said:
f you don't want haxchi (Why ? there's no brick risk at all)

Really!? Sorry for been an ignorant with a lot of these stuff, thank you so much!! I really appreciate all your advices, I'm getting more familiar with all these scene, I'll go the Haxchi way, thank you so much!!

Maschell · Jul 20, 2018

Cyan said:
2)
NEVER USE MOCHA if you don't need its extra features (debug mode)!
people should stop thinking mocha is the only alternative to cbhc.
there are other firmware patchers. CBHC and mocha are not the only CFW.
Mocha is too heavy and slow, it has many features you don't need and will never use. there's no need to use mocha if all you want is play games. You should prefer a lightweight CFW instead.

mocha is not slower than any other cfw.
Disable IOS-reloading and it's fast. From a developer perspective, mocha provide feature that people indeed use. For example using libiosuhax with haxchi breaks reading disc, so you can't use it for sdcaffine. I had to add mocha directly to sdcafiine (and now WUPS), because people refused to replace their haxchi usage with mocha and instead complained it doesn't work ~. So there are a lot of people using mocha without even knowing (and nobody ever complained about anything beeing slow)

Cyan · Jul 20, 2018

it's not slow while you use it, it just does the same as haxchi a little slower because it has more patches. of course users won't complain, it's not taking 20 more seconds.
I'm talking only about the time it requires to patch everything and return to menu.
mocha patches the firmware and reboot the console.
signature patcher just remove the signature check and return to sysmenu without rebooting, you can even return to HBL to go even faster.

a lot of users think they need Mocha because old/deprecated guides told them to use redNAND, and then they have issues because of that.
I tell users to stop using mocha when they don't need it, to prevent them (inadvertently) activating wrong settings.
but I agree some homebrew require Mocha. people can just run mocha from haxchi channel too. we just need to educate and explain the reason (haxchi and mocha are using different patches) and how to do it properly.

as for what the user above want to do (disable signature to run wup games) then signature patcher from browserhax is enough. no need of redNAND, debugger, IOSU-nod or sdcafiine.

Maschell · Jul 20, 2018

Cyan said:
mocha patches the firmware and reboot the console.
signature patcher just remove the signature check and return to sysmenu without rebooting, you can even return to HBL to go even faster.

This is not true. If you disable the "IOS reloading" it has the exact same behaviour than the "signature patcher" (just with more features).

In my opinion it doesn't make any sense to teach everybody to only use the one with less features, when it has no downside to use the one with more features (features which are required for sdcafiine/WUPS).
Now we have the situation that everybody that needs the extra features need to use mocha, and they don't understand why they can't simply use "haxchi cfw".

I would prefer teaching the people how to use a tool instead of refering to other tools (which are all covered by the main tool).

It's something different for haxchi, because haxchi is NOT a custom firmware, it just an userland exploit (which randomly has a iosu exploit built-in on a button combo for whatever reason) to launch homebrew.
CBHC is another different story, but I personally would still use cbhc to chain to mocha to have access to all features.

(btw. I have already talked to a few people about this current "CFW"/coldboot/haxchi situation, and it reeeaaallly needs something to be redone properly)

Cyan · Jul 20, 2018

what would you suggest to be redone?
would your plugin homebrew be suitable to be launched at boot? one program with different features to enable at boot would be great. much like CBHC, but with more choices.
instead of choosing what to launch (patched sysmenu, or another homebrew like mocha), having a choice to select what to patch?

_davvid_ · Aug 2, 2018

Hi! Just an update, I was able to do everything I wanted with my modded Wii U, thanks everyone!!

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