German court ruling bans using "coming soon" for release dates in regards to pre-orders

retrofan_k · Jul 15, 2018

My PSIO pre-order was placed back in June 2017 and my account charged and money taken straight away. I'm still waiting for it to ship like others are with shipping dates changing every other month on their site updates.

Maq47 · Jul 15, 2018

YuseiFD said:
Ah, looks like german switch owners finally felt reggie's dongle up their bottoms, and wallets of course.

Is there anyone else here who read this as "Ah, looks like german switch owners finally felt reggie's dongle up their bootroms, and wallets of course.", or is it just me?

sarkwalvein · Jul 15, 2018

Scarlet said:
Thank God. For a moment, I thought my Pokemon Stars pre-order was in jeopardy.

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But Amazon NEVER takes your money until the item is dispatched, and you can actually cancel it any time before it is dispatched resulting on no charges being put into your account.
So this law doesn't apply.

schrmh · Jul 15, 2018

Actually vague dates were kind of illegal before. E.g. terms like "shipping normally between x and y dates" or "instant shipping possible" were illegal before. That's why the consumer organisation of North Rhine-Westphalia (Verbraucherzentrale NRW) took action.
And that's absolutely a good thing that it is illegal because if you order and then they may ship from china and you get your item after like 60 days then "instant shipping" isn't worth anything for you. They have to say when you get the item, not when they ship it.

Oh, btw. I haven't seen anything about "if they don't take your money it's fine" in any press text. I don't really think that it makes are difference since I am following not only those consumer organisations but also some law channels and they never said anything about a difference and actually it just doesn't make sense if there were one.

Jayro · Jul 15, 2018

Germany, baby... Wtf you doin?

Deleted User · Jul 15, 2018

Dear Europe,

Please send some consumer rights our way!

Signed,

Canada

Noctosphere · Jul 15, 2018

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Captain_Smek said:
Dear Europe,

Please send some consumer rights our way!

Signed,

Canada

I'm a poor Canadian who have to pay extra bucks for video game too

Deleted User · Jul 15, 2018

Thats a nice law... no need to pay before delivery anymore. It was quite common in germany to pay preorders... (except amazon of course).

SirNapkin1334 · Jul 15, 2018

Yes! Yet another reason to move to Germany!
Does this apply to German sites shipping internationally?

UltraDolphinRevolution · Jul 15, 2018

So in Germany crossing the border illegally by the millions is ok, but God forbid a game gets delayed.

Xzi · Jul 15, 2018

I've never pre-ordered something without a release date before, even if it sometimes gets pushed back. I didn't know pre-ordering without a release date was even a thing. Why?

T-hug · Jul 15, 2018

Xzi said:
I've never pre-ordered something without a release date before, even if it sometimes gets pushed back. I didn't know pre-ordering without a release date was even a thing. Why?

When I preordered this it had no date:

I only preorder on amazon though as I can then forget about the game until it comes out and they don't charge until it ships.
There isn't really a downside to it (on amazon at least).

ichibaka · Jul 15, 2018

chrisrlink said:
so does this ban our Soon tm release date for Atmosphere?

wasting our time with promise, and time is money, so they are wasting our money. YEAH BAN THEIR ASSES :hrth:

sarkwalvein · Jul 15, 2018

UltraDolphinRevolution said:
So in Germany crossing the border illegally by the millions is ok, but God forbid a game gets delayed.

As a consumer, I would get more annoyed about the latter, that you wrongly described as "a game gets delayed" when it actually is "a company is working with your money without sharing the profits with you, all of this against your will and not complying with the deadlines of a contract".
Both of the cases you presented are undesired, but I don't see why would you downplay the one where the consumer is screwed, that's also bullshit.

BetaXenon · Jul 15, 2018

Someone here waiting for PC version of Disgaea 5?
Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!
No, it's really relevant topic for such news.

Deleted User · Jul 15, 2018

zoogie said:
Great. We can now look forward to broken, unfinished games. Even dumber law.

mafia 3
fallout 4
skyrim
grand theft auto 4
saints row 2
batman arkham knight
battlefield 4
sonic '06
postal 3
duke nukem forever
superman 64
ride to hell retribution
sonic boom rise of lyric
no man's sky

seems to me that games being terribly broken and unfinished wasn't a thing before this law came into place /s

SuzieJoeBob · Jul 15, 2018

At least Gateway 3DS died off before this law passed, otherwise soon™ would have never arrived...

k3rizz3k · Jul 15, 2018

LiveLatios said:
mafia 3
fallout 4
skyrim
grand theft auto 4
saints row 2
batman arkham knight
battlefield 4
sonic '06
postal 3
duke nukem forever
superman 64
ride to hell retribution
sonic boom rise of lyric
no man's sky

seems to me that games being terribly broken and unfinished wasn't a thing before this law came into place /s

You forgot aliens colonial Marines. :-P

the_randomizer · Jul 15, 2018

Jayro said:
Germany, baby... Wtf you doin?

How is this a bad thing? It just prevents companies from pulling a douche move and only charging you when the game actually ships.

BlastedGuy9905 · Jul 15, 2018

chrisrlink said:
so does this ban our Soon tm release date for Atmosphere?

No, you don't pay for Atmosphere.

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