TX Releases SX OS v1.3

DayVeeBoi · Jul 6, 2018

subcon959 said:
Kinda like how some of you don't realise you're beating a dead horse. It's almost starting to look autistic now, even the people whose code was actually used are being more pragmatic. The Chinese tech industry is not going to change it's practices based on a few people clucking on this forum, heck even giant corporations struggle to get them to stop stealing shit.

Know what will get them to stop? People stop buying, endorsing, and promoting them. People stop making excuses for them. Everyone who understands the problem has an obligation to make noise and educate those who don't. You can sit there and say "hey there's nothing I can do to change things", but I don't believe that, and I won't stop talking about it because it's something I care about.

The real issue isn't that they used open source code. That's what makes open source great. Anyone can use it. The real problem is the outdated belief, that businesses can't make money following an open source philosophy. I guarantee you, that they could've made a killing selling the dongles (maybe $2 worth of labour and parts) for $20 or $30, and instead offering service through a phone number or via internet chat (RedHat seems to be doing quite well, hello SuSE I see ya too).

Then the people who are here trying to get technical support wouldn't be running around internet forums trying to get help, and they got a nice dongle and didn't have to mess around with paperclips and 3d printers. TX would be putting code back into the community instead of just leeching off it. And for all the people living in poorer countries or ones with backward politics that are keeping them from enjoying gaming (I'm looking at you Brazil, for those wondering what I am talking about see Cloth Maps great short doc).

Do it yourself types and techie peeps would also have a free solution and devs would be free to contribute to TX's code base, likely easing the load on their own devs and bringing their actual customers better and more features and allowing them to focus on the countless people in this forum alone that need technical support.

Giga_Gaia · Jul 6, 2018

I had to send my micro SD card back to sandisk for a replacement because it was corrupted, so I am not even gonna download this yet because 1.4 will probably be out before I get the card back.

grytek · Jul 6, 2018

Seems like v1.3 has some bugs as its taking longer to load game in SX OS, and also have experienced more freezes with home-brew. I tried formatting, and its stable with v1.2 and better.

kamesenin888 · Jul 6, 2018

DayVeeBoi said:
Know what will get them to stop? People stop buying, endorsing, and promoting them. People stop making excuses for them. Everyone who understands the problem has an obligation to make noise and educate those who don't. You can sit there and say "hey there's nothing I can do to change things", but I don't believe that, and I won't stop talking about it because it's something I care about.

The real issue isn't that they used open source code. That's what makes open source great. Anyone can use it. The real problem is the outdated belief, that businesses can't make money following an open source philosophy. I guarantee you, that they could've made a killing selling the dongles (maybe $2 worth of labour and parts) for $20 or $30, and instead offering service through a phone number or via internet chat (RedHat seems to be doing quite well, hello SuSE I see ya too).

Then the people who are here trying to get technical support wouldn't be running around internet forums trying to get help, and they got a nice dongle and didn't have to mess around with paperclips and 3d printers. TX would be putting code back into the community instead of just leeching off it. And for all the people living in poorer countries or ones with backward politics that are keeping them from enjoying gaming (I'm looking at you Brazil, for those wondering what I am talking about see Cloth Maps great short doc).

Do it yourself types and techie peeps would also have a free solution and devs would be free to contribute to TX's code base, likely easing the load on their own devs and bringing their actual customers better and more features and allowing them to focus on the countless people in this forum alone that need technical support.

yay piracy, I hope they keep using the code to make tx compared to the open source, gateway never did that effectively so that it could compete with luma and such, so I am happy with TX

k3nnis · Jul 6, 2018

Ceuse said:
I am completly disconnected & on 4.1

What are the advantages of being on 4.1?

Draxzelex · Jul 6, 2018

k3nnis said:
What are the advantages of being on 4.1?

Draxzelex said:
Firmwares 3.0.1-4.1 have an unreleased softmod that involves loading a webpage to boot Atmosphere/hacks in the future. If you do not want to have to use a jig and USB cable to load Atmosphere/hacks for a long time, stay on 4.1. You can also keep the console in sleep mode if you use the jig and USB cable once provided you make sure the Switch does not run out of battery.

k3nnis · Jul 6, 2018

Thanks. What does fw 5 have over 4.1? and 3.0? Just online play thats it?

Deleted-188346 · Jul 6, 2018

How would I go about installing and using .nca files? Quite a few updates/DLC is in .nca format, and I have no idea how to install or use it.
Thanks!

Draxzelex · Jul 6, 2018

k3nnis said:
Thanks. What does fw 5 have over 4.1? and 3.0? Just online play thats it?

So far, there are no known differences when it comes to exploits for 5.X firmwares but there are currently no known software based exploits for these firmwares. 5.1 is arguably the best in this case since it has access to online services.

For 2.0-3.0, they have a slightly different software exploit that has been patched out in 3.0.1 so it will be released around the time Atmosphere is completed. The software based exploit for 3.0.1-4.1 may take longer to come out due to the fact that it is not known whether it has been fully patched in 5.X or not. It has not been released yet because if it was, it would most likely be patched out. As long as it is not patched out, it can be used on the future Mariko Switch units that will have removed the RCM-based exploit that we can use on all current Switch revisions.

Puppy_Washer said:
How would I go about installing and using .nca files? Quite a few updates/DLC is in .nca format, and I have no idea how to install or use it.
Thanks!

.NCA is not a supported file format for title installations. The files must be converted or installed as a .NSP

k3nnis · Jul 6, 2018

Draxzelex said:
So far, there are no known differences when it comes to exploits for 5.X firmwares but there are currently no known software based exploits for these firmwares. 5.1 is arguably the best in this case since it has access to online services.

For 2.0-3.0, they have a slightly different software exploit that has been patched out in 3.0.1 so it will be released around the time Atmosphere is completed. The software based exploit for 3.0.1-4.1 may take longer to come out due to the fact that it is not known whether it has been fully patched in 5.X or not. It has not been released yet because if it was, it would most likely be patched out. As long as it is not patched out, it can be used on the future Mariko Switch units that will have removed the RCM-based exploit that we can use on all current Switch revisions.
.NCA is not a supported file format for title installations. The files must be converted or installed as a .NSP

Thanks for that. I haven't opened my newly purchased neon switch yet. If you were me, would you update the OFW if you had 2.0-3.0?

Draxzelex · Jul 6, 2018

k3nnis said:
Thanks for that. I haven't opened my newly purchased neon switch yet. If you were me, would you update the OFW if you had 2.0-3.0?

I can't answer that question for you because I don't know what you would prefer. I personally would not update because I don't want to use a jig and USB cable to load hacks on top of there are no games that I want to play that require me to be on the latest firmware. Your decision may vary depending on how long you are willing to wait, what types of games you wish to play, how convenient certain exploits are over others, etc. I've listed all of the pertinent facts when it comes to updating. Everything else is opinion.

k3nnis · Jul 6, 2018

Thanks. Are there any games that needs the newest firmware to run?

I don’t mind waiting. Does having the older firmware increase the chances of not getting banned by Nintendo? Or it makes no difference?

Draxzelex said:
I can't answer that question for you because I don't know what you would prefer. I personally would not update because I don't want to use a jig and USB cable to load hacks on top of there are no games that I want to play that require me to be on the latest firmware. Your decision may vary depending on how long you are willing to wait, what types of games you wish to play, how convenient certain exploits are over others, etc. I've listed all of the pertinent facts when it comes to updating. Everything else is opinion.

Draxzelex · Jul 6, 2018

k3nnis said:
Thanks. Are there any games that needs the newest firmware to run?

I don’t mind waiting. Does having the older firmware increase the chances of not getting banned by Nintendo? Or it makes no difference?

According to this thread: https://gbatemp.net/threads/list-games-required-firmware-version.485959/, the highest firmware needed to launch any Switch game is 4.1.

This next question is where it gets a bit interesting. As far we as know, no firmwares are safer when it comes being banned by Nintendo. Except for one particular case. There is a homebrew tool by the name of nx-dreport which clears error logs generated by the console, whether through legitimate usage or homebrew. Running this tool can be used as a means of reducing the chances of a ban UNLESS your firmware is 5.X

5.0.0 really upped the info in Crash Reports: https://t.co/lp9eRpva59.

Be careful with tools like dreport, too, it looks like erpt maintains statistics about reports saved/uploaded/failed to upload, deleting may cause detectably inconsistent statistics.
— Michael (@SciresM) June 25, 2018

What this means is that if you clear the error logs using the homebrew tool, the Switch actually can tell if you cleared the error logs. So to answer your second question, in all but one case the firmware version doesn't affect your chances of getting banned.

k3nnis · Jul 6, 2018

Thanks. I think I will wait. Will inbox my switch and see what version it is. I think if it’s 4.1 I will leave it. I have purchased games for now to play and will wait for the modding scene to mature first. I actually put in a back order for the os sx pro. So I won’t install that until I see any updates that will not us get banned from Nintendo.

Draxzelex said:
According to this thread: https://gbatemp.net/threads/list-games-required-firmware-version.485959/, the highest firmware needed to launch any Switch game is 4.1.

This next question is where it gets a bit interesting. As far we as know, no firmwares are safer when it comes being banned by Nintendo. Except for one particular case. There is a homebrew tool by the name of nx-dreport which clears error logs generated by the console, whether through legitimate usage or homebrew. Running this tool can be used as a means of reducing the chances of a ban UNLESS your firmware is 5.X https://twitter.com/SciresM/status/1011321806207107072What this means is that if you clear the error logs using the homebrew tool, the Switch actually can tell if you cleared the error logs. So to answer your second question, in all but one case the firmware version doesn't affect your chances of getting banned.

Draxzelex · Jul 6, 2018

k3nnis said:
Thanks. I think I will wait. Will inbox my switch and see what version it is. I think if it’s 4.1 I will leave it. I have purchased games for now to play and will wait for the modding scene to mature first. I actually put in a back order for the os sx pro. So I won’t install that until I see any updates that will not us get banned from Nintendo.

There is no way anyone in the hacking scene can prevent a ban with 100% guarantee. Theoretically, if we were to devise a way to mask what we were doing, Nintendo could easily figure out how we are masking the data and undo it via a firmware update for example. The golden rule of hacking is that if you want to play online and use hacks, your best bet is to buy a second console. The moment you hack your console leaves you vulnerable for a ban.

k3nnis · Jul 6, 2018

Draxzelex said:
There is no way anyone in the hacking scene can prevent a ban with 100% guarantee. Theoretically, if we were to devise a way to mask what we were doing, Nintendo could easily figure out how we are masking the data and undo it via a firmware update for example. The golden rule of hacking is that if you want to play online and use hacks, your best bet is to buy a second console. The moment you hack your console leaves you vulnerable for a ban.

Makes sense. I may need to start saving up for a second console. The question is , is it worth buying a second switch just for online and eshop? Are there any games that are great online? If you get banned does it block local multiplayer as well?

Draxzelex · Jul 6, 2018

k3nnis said:
Makes sense. I may need to start saving up for a second console. The question is , is it worth buying a second switch just for online and eshop? Are there any games that are great online? If you get banned does it block local multiplayer as well?

Again, I cannot tell you if its worth it or not because the enjoyment you get out of playing games online is a subjective experience. Objectively, the option of being able to play online is better than not having the option at all. Regardless, if you do get theoretically banned, you can still do local play since those do not require connecting to Nintendo's servers.

k3nnis · Jul 6, 2018

Draxzelex said:
Again, I cannot tell you if its worth it or not because the enjoyment you get out of playing games online is a subjective experience. Objectively, the option of being able to play online is better than not having the option at all. Regardless, if you do get theoretically banned, you can still do local play since those do not require connecting to Nintendo's servers.

Ok thanks for the info. Will buy some games and try online play to see if it’s worth it for me

Can we still purchase from eshop if we get banned?

Draxzelex · Jul 6, 2018

k3nnis said:
Ok thanks for the info. Will buy some games and try online play to see if it’s worth it for me

Can we still purchase from eshop if we get banned?

Only if your account is banned. Rarely does this happen as restricting access from your Nintendo Account means you lose access to all eShop purchases associated with that account meaning it may or may not be fully legal unless you yourself do something equally illegal which caused the ban in the first place.

k3nnis · Jul 6, 2018

Draxzelex said:
Only if your account is banned. Rarely does this happen as restricting access from your Nintendo Account means you lose access to all eShop purchases associated with that account meaning it may or may not be fully legal unless you yourself do something equally illegal which caused the ban in the first place.

Ok thanks. Good to know. Just purchased Mario rabbids and Rayman legends. I want overcooked as well

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