Hacking Proof TX used code stolen from #reswitched

jahrs · Jun 28, 2018

Also gonna throw in the whole philosophical thing of morality not actually being a consistant thing among all humans so those of you saying its immoral. its immoral to you and people who live like you, to others its not because not everyone in the world has enough time and money or ability to play video games and to some of them its actually immoral to play video games because to them its a waste of time. simply put dont preach religion to an atheist its a waste of time and just annoys both parties.

Kioku · Jun 28, 2018

Ev1l0rd said:
https://twitter.com/hexkyz/status/1012362945907568642

https://twitter.com/hexkyz/status/1012362983572492291

It is.

And even if that were the case, per the terms and conditions of the GPL, if you use a library as part of a larger program, you have to distribute the source code under the GPL as well.

Noice. Again, wasn't mentioning, stating, implying or remotely hinting at what I said about the situation to be the exception to the rule. It was a smartass remark that apparently flew right over people's heads.

Thank you for pointing out that last bit.

It does make a bit more sense considering the hbmenu vibe I got from the loader. :o

whoIsAndrej · Jun 28, 2018

jahrs said:
I think i'm missing something but is it possible that 2 different companies might both work separately and come to the same answer and not even know it. I'm not saying they did or they didnt but theres a chance that 2 separate people could invent the wheel at about the same time. especially when it comes to code seeing as most of the the best solutions will more or less look and or be the same. Isnt it hard to check an entire program and make sure there are no similarities between them. Could just be a random occurence, most likely not but i figure someone should throw this into the ring to see people tear it up.

Nope, SX OS contains some english text, that is written in the Atmosphere NX source code. It's not only exactly the same code, it also has the same english text.

km1 · Jun 28, 2018

whoIsAndrej said:
Nope, SX OS contains some english text, that is written in the Atmosphere NX source code. It's not only exactly the same code, it also has the same english text.

you're absolutely right.

what is the name of that girl in your avatar?

jahrs · Jun 28, 2018

Ah ok so thats definitely a point against them. see now thats helpful or at least would be in a court. sadly this is not a court so in the end this is pointless but i do enjoy learning more about how sourcing works.

My next question is could someone from the other team be working with TX or something maybe they are partners behind the scenes or something. i think something like this happened before for gateway or something like that.

lots of somethings....

whoIsAndrej · Jun 28, 2018

km1 said:
you're absolutely right.

what is the name of that girl in your avatar?

Honestly, no idea!

The picture is CC0 and available on pexels.com. https://www.pexels.com/photo/woman-wearing-pink-collared-half-sleeved-top-1036623/

See, I even care for licenses, when choosing a profile picture!

MadonnaProject · Jun 28, 2018

deinonychus71 said:
Scene "babies" as you call them are at least producing something that tries to be fair to everyone (including Nintendo) while trying to involve a whole community.

Their "moral" is what keep a scene running legally. If you wonder why not everything is always released for the public look no further, it's because of TX behavior and comments like yours.

Blah blah blah, save it.

jahrs · Jun 28, 2018

Has anyone actually asked TX about this maybe they might be able to shed some light on the issue. you know the whole american innocent till proven guilty thing might be out the window but we can still let them explain themselves

longxa762 · Jun 28, 2018

jahrs said:
Has anyone actually asked TX about this maybe they might be able to shed some light on the issue. you know the whole american innocent till proven guilty thing might be out the window but we can still let them explain themselves

They don't care, don't expect any answer. Licenses law don't apply to you when you live in China where copyright means nothing

Draxzelex · Jun 28, 2018

jahrs said:
Has anyone actually asked TX about this maybe they might be able to shed some light on the issue. you know the whole american innocent till proven guilty thing might be out the window but we can still let them explain themselves

They haven't even admitted they put brick code in their OS. I'd honestly be surprised if they made a PSA about their OS violating licensing laws. Either they'd have to deny the accusations with proof (which they won't do) or say something vague that neither clears their accusations nor vindicates their actions.

Risingdawn · Jun 28, 2018

whoIsAndrej said:
Your signature is quite ironic.

"the problem with democracy is every stupid idiot gets a vote"

Bless, attributing intelligence to gaming, how cute.

jahrs · Jun 28, 2018

True but thats currently an assumption is it not. If no one asks and just assumes thats the truth then thats pretty messed up. everyone should at least get a chance and even if they give the expected answer at least we gave them the rights that any human should have. otherwise we are no different from them taking away something from someone else in this case their right to explain there actions prior to judgement.

you can ignore this if someone has asked already and has recieved an answer more or less akin to what was assumed.

V-Temp · Jun 28, 2018

Draxzelex said:
They haven't even admitted they put brick code in their OS. I'd honestly be surprised if they made a PSA about their OS violating licensing laws. Either they'd have to deny the accusations with proof (which they won't do) or say something vague that neither clears their accusations nor vindicates their actions.

"Hi we'd like you to know we have a huge user base! No one (that we're admitting exists) has been bricked so do not pay attention to the brickcode. Have a nice day."

vstar · Jun 28, 2018

whoIsAndrej said:
"On April 11, 2011, it was revealed that Hotz and Sony had reached a settlement out of court."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment_America,_Inc._v._Hotz

Sony didn't win, they settled. Also it might surprise you, but the world is bigger than just the US.

devmenu isn't illegal. Saying that something is illegal, allthough even you will have to admit, that devs can use it fully legally, is kinda dumb, isn't it? Nevertheless, the person who signed the NDA, and sold his dev Switch did something illegal, yes. No one except this dev has done something illegal regarding devmenu though. Same as reading WikiLeaks or some shit. The person who leaked it did something illegal. You, the reader have no obligations regarding it whatever.

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As I said, most countries. It probably will surprise you too: The world is bigger than just the US and Russia. Wanna bet you can't name a country without looking it up? And no, Puerto Rico doesn't count.

Cute. "most countries".

SodaSoba · Jun 28, 2018

kumikochan said:
So it is likely to trigger in the future. Guess we will be seeing some bricked switches in the future

I guess we could try the passphrase to unbrick

Ev1l0rd · Jun 28, 2018

SodaSoba said:
I guess we could try the passphrase to unbrick

I actually bricked my console again (for science!) and was able to unlock the eMMC with the "WANNA PLAY? :)" password, but I don't recommend anyone to try this unless you are really sure on what you're doing.
— Mike Heskin (@hexkyz) June 28, 2018

but I don't recommend anyone to try this unless you are really sure on what you're doing

Sounds like it's much safer to not use it at all.

jahrs · Jun 28, 2018

just a question why is a brickcode so bad. doesnt nintendo also have one in there system ie the fuses. sure its not the nicest thing but hell if nintendo has it why cant anyone else. even if its pirate based software the person who set it up is free to do what they want with it and the people who buy there stuff more or less should be use to the idea of the chance of bricking their stuff. its part of the game of life, people are willing to go through great lengths to protect their valuables even those who didnt get them legally. i dont tell robbers that break into my house that i have trained dogs waiting behind the front door.

V-Temp · Jun 28, 2018

jahrs said:
just a question why is a brickcode so bad. doesnt nintendo also have one in there system ie the fuses. sure its not the nicest thing but hell if nintendo has it why cant anyone else. even if its pirate based software the person who set it up is free to do what they want with it and the people who buy there stuff more or less should be use to the idea of the chance of bricking their stuff. its part of the game of life, people are willing to go through great lengths to protect their valuables even those who didnt get them legally. i dont tell robbers that break into my house that i have trained dogs waiting behind the front door.

Nintendo doesn't brick your system, and in no capacity can the fuses accidentally brick your system either.

jahrs · Jun 28, 2018

wait so what do the fuses do last time i checked if you mess up while trying to go into rcm or downgrade the fuses blow and your switch is screwed. also has there been an accidental brick from using TX software in ironically enough the legitimate way.

guily6669 · Jun 28, 2018

Nintendo uses the efuses to just simply lock downgrading in the hard way, its not a brick it just make the way always ahead to update and not go back to old updates...

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