SJWs are ruining everything we love

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ITT: loads of uninformed right wing "opinions". If diversity is a problem for you, or If you think "SJWs" or "the feminists" are out to destroy everything you love, I don't know what to tell you.
don't @ me.

Sincerely, a cultural marxist SJW Feminazi <3
 

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ITT: loads of uninformed right wing "opinions". If diversity is a problem for you, or If you think "SJWs" or "the feminists" are out to destroy everything you love, I don't know what to tell you.
don't @ me.

Sincerely, a cultural marxist SJW Feminazi <3

Marx was German and you're German. It all makes sense now!
 
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You opened this thread and you opened yourself up for others to comment on. I get that you are upset about "SJWs," but yet you seem to only be upset by what you've heard and what others think about these issues. You are the other half of the coin.
You are correct. No matter what opinion one person may have, there will always be someone else that has an opposing view that conflicts with it, no matter how illogical it may seem. It's just disappointing to see beloved franchises of all mediums suffer because fringe groups "demand representation" to further their political agenda. Remember when comics were just about amazing people doing extraordinary things to defeat evil in the name of good? It was so much better without some people worrying about what their favorite hero stuck their dick (or in some cases, vagina) into, and other people worrying that their favorite hero would be changed in a way that they would find them less relatable. :/ Same goes with movies, etc.
 
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You are correct. No matter what opinion one person may have, there will always be someone else that has an opposing view that conflicts with it, no matter how illogical it may seem. It's just disappointing to see beloved franchises of all mediums suffer because fringe groups "demand representation" to further their political agenda. Remember when comics were just about amazing people doing extraordinary things to defeat evil in the name of good? It was so much better without some people worrying about what their favorite hero stuck their dick (or in some cased, vagina) into, and other people worrying that their favorite hero would be changed in a way that they would find them less relatable. :/ Same goes with movies, etc.

Seriously what has been ruined?
 

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Established. Characters.

What established characters? I genuinely asking what media has been ruined. I hear this a lot but you're not giving me any meat on the bone. I'm a huge nerd so trust me when it comes to bitching , I've done my fair share of bitching.
 
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Established. Characters.
You realize that they change characters all the time. Superman used to shape shift and sneeze out a galaxy, those were established traits for his character. Spiderman has literally had so many reboots and changes to his character that only his basic personality is what has been carried over.
Established character are literally always being changed in both small and major ways and most of the time people don't even notice it.
 
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Established. Characters.
Such as? I have yet to see an established character change to the point that they're unenjoyable, and with the exclusion of maybe Ghostbusters (which I thoroughly enjoyed, btw) I haven't seen too many movies that even wandered outside the plausible boundaries of the established character, period
 

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It's just disappointing to see beloved franchises of all mediums suffer because fringe groups "demand representation" to further their political agenda.
Since I'm in on this conspiracy, I'll let you know that you are completely correct. While I can't discuss our secret SJW council meetings in detail, we know about every movie, comic & videogame currently in production. If we see that there's a heterosexual white male character involved, we immediately use our zionist connections to get it changed. We used to work with the NWO, but they've gotten kind of weird recently (long story). It's definitely not because artists want to tell stories involving different people, I can promise you that much. It's only us. I mean, who would voluntarily write a story with black people in the lead?
 

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Such as? I have yet to see an established character change to the point that they're unenjoyable, and with the exclusion of maybe Ghostbusters (which I thoroughly enjoyed, btw) I haven't seen too many movies that even wandered outside the plausible boundaries of the established character, period
Just for the sake of example, X-Men's Ice Man, Since he was originally introduced, has always been known as quite the ladies man. Until recently when it was decided that he needed to be gay because that's a current hot button issue, politically. Many fans of his were shocked by this recent alteration to who this character is, and don't understand why this change needed to be made instead of say, just introducing a new, unknown character who happens to be gay.

And before anyone accuses me of being racist, or anti gay or what have you, just think about some of your favorite characters from whatever form of media you like, and consider how you would feel if they were changed in ways that were contrary to how that character has been portrayed to you up until that point.
 
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Since I'm in on this conspiracy, I'll let you know that you are completely correct. While I can't discuss our secret SJW council meetings in detail, we know about every movie, comic & videogame currently in production. If we see that there's a heterosexual white male character involved, we immediately use our zionist connections to get it changed. We used to work with the NWO, but they've gotten kind of weird recently (long story). It's definitely not because artists want to tell stories involving different people, I can promise you that much. It's only us. I mean, who would voluntarily write a story with black people in the lead?
The complaint was about changing established characters, and actually encouraged creating new ones, but thay was a cute attempt at some kind of back-handed insult. Anyone who agrees with the sentiment must be some kind of right-wing, homophobe, hillbilly conspiracy theorist.

I think the problem is a lack of creativity in Hollywood. Most people wouldn't have a problem with an original character that happened to be trans or whatever. But the writers are just not creative enough to write original characters, so they just try to make changes to existing ones.
 

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And before anyone accuses me of being racist, or anti gay or what have you, just think about some of your favorite characters from whatever form of media you like, and consider how you would feel if they were changed in ways that were contrary to how that character has been portrayed to you up until that point.

I would honestly prefer a James Bond who wasn't a sexual predator.

Regarding Ice Man, I can't say I care mainly because I don't care about the X men.

I think the problem is a lack of creativity in Hollywood. Most people wouldn't have a problem with an original character that happened to be trans or whatever. But the writers are just not creative enough to write original characters, so they just try to make changes to existing ones.

Boom, agree with this completely.
 

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Just for the sake of example, X-Men's Ice Man, Since he was originally introduced, has always been known as quite the ladies man. Until recently when it was decided that he needed to be gay because that's a current hot button issue, politically. Many fans of his were shocked by this recent alteration to who this character is, and don't understand why this change needed to be made instead of say, just introducing a new, unknown character who happens to be gay.

And before anyone accuses me of being racist, or anti gay or what have you, just think about some of your favorite characters from whatever form of media you like, and consider how you would feel if they were changed in ways that were contrary to how that character has been portrayed to you up until that point.
Wasn't Bobby dating Rogue in the original X Men movies?
 

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I would honestly prefer a James Bond who wasn't a sexual predator.

Regarding Ice Man, I can't say I care mainly because I don't care about the X men.
Agreed on both accounts.
And I mean, why is it a problem if characters change? People change and re-evaluate their perspectives and values (well, most people do :P). In stories, I'd expect characters to have some growth and an ark to them. How is a character switching sexual preferences a problem? Lots of people change their sexual orientation over the course of their life. Is the complaint that changing his sexual orientation is unrealistic? This dude is shooting ice and riding it.
 
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I guess I don't see what the problem is, then, considering character traits change if you blink in the comics, especially depending on who's currently writing
yeah, that's the reason why I stopped reading comics, there's no definitive progression in the story, everything can be changed or undone by another writer. not that i care about ice man though, he's just the same character who just happens to like dudes now.
 
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Agreed on both accounts.
And I mean, why is it a problem if characters change? People change and re-evaluate their perspectives and values (well, most people do :P). In stories, I'd expect characters to have some growth and an ark to them. How is a character switching sexual preferences a problem? Lots of people change their sexual orientation over the course of their life. Is the complaint that changing his sexual orientation is unrealistic? This dude is shooting ice and riding it.
It can be an interesting plot point if it was ever done correctly. Like the character slowly realizing they're attracted to whatever instead of whatever they thought they were before. But it's usually so abrubt and out of nowhere. Anyway, for a lot of this stuff, a character's sexuality and gender don't really have much bearing on anything. Like why even bring it up in the context if a superhero comic? It only causes issues like this
 
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Just for the sake of example, X-Men's Ice Man, Since he was originally introduced, has always been known as quite the ladies man. Until recently when it was decided that he needed to be gay because that's a current hot button issue, politically. Many fans of his were shocked by this recent alteration to who this character is, and don't understand why this change needed to be made instead of say, just introducing a new, unknown character who happens to be gay.

And before anyone accuses me of being racist, or anti gay or what have you, just think about some of your favorite characters from whatever form of media you like, and consider how you would feel if they were changed in ways that were contrary to how that character has been portrayed to you up until that point.
because the same people would've whined about a gay character being shoehorned into the xmen story.
and if you're having the same people whine anyways, why not use a character who hasn't had an interesting story development in decades

as for your 'think about that for a second' holy shit are you grasping at straws here.
characters have always changed. sometimes i liked it more, sometimes i liked it less. but never was it actually a big deal. 4 years from now, a reboot will make iceman hetero again.
maybe it'll be cocksucking gambits turn then.

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It can be an interesting plot point if it was ever done correctly. Like the character slowly realizing they're attracted to whatever instead of whatever they thought they were before. But it's usually so abrubt and out of nowhere. Anyway, for a lot of this stuff, a character's sexuality and gender don't really have much bearing on anything. Like why even bring it up in the context if a superhero comic? It only causes issues like this

because comics have always brought up current or semicurrent (because lets be honest xmen was about 20 years too late with that) issues like that
first it was patriotism and allegiance to the nazis or the us, then it was russians and the us, then they ran out of wars and brought the nazis back and now they're moving on to social issues because those are the important things shaping todays and tomorrows world.
 
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