Hacking The Cons of using SX OS!

What would you rather do?

  • Get backup loading now even if Atmosphere wont be supported earlier on Higher firmware.

  • I'll stay on lower firmware and wait for Atmosphere.

  • I'll stay on lower firmware and wait for Atmosphere, but still use TX dongle for convenience

  • I'll only play small games on my fat32 sd card and not update.


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The only real con is it’s possible to get banned from Nintendo if they can somehow detect sx os but who knows...
I'm sure TX has it figured out. Afterall how can you make money off of people if your product gets rid of your demographic?

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I only know i am gonna wait some time before trying anything to check if people get banned or not.
I'm gonna use it at first for easy Homebrew. Nintendo will be looking for playing illegal backups. This becomes very apparent when you understand that every banned switch account has been involved with CDN hacking.
 

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Has TX mentioned how to uninstall their OS? I may use it temporarily until backup loading is possible via atmosphere homebrew launcher.
 

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Has TX mentioned how to uninstall their OS? I may use it temporarily until backup loading is possible via atmosphere homebrew launcher.
that temporarily could be a lot of time :P. the sx OS is just patching sysnand on boot, if you uninstall autorcm(its optional you know) your console goes back to normal, if you didnt install autocrm just reboot and your are good
 

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I'm sure TX has it figured out. Afterall how can you make money off of people if your product gets rid of your demographic?

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I'm gonna use it at first for easy Homebrew. Nintendo will be looking for playing illegal backups. This becomes very apparent when you understand that every banned switch account has been involved with CDN hacking.
They haven’t ,it even says go online at your own risks and they’re aren’t responsible
 

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well i will wait for reports of banning and that type of things, i just want to use it offline. games online i will buy them
 

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guys im on FW 4.1.0 and already installed SDXC update long time ago for my 64gb card so am i good to go?
can i stay at 4.1.0 and dont update and still play games without splititng the XCI with TX OS?
 
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guys im on FW 4.1.0 and already installed SDXC update long time ago for my 64gb card so am i good to go?
can i stay at 4.1.0 and dont update and still play games without splititng the XCI with TX OS?
You're right where I'm at. You should be good to go. I'm personally waiting for Atmosphère but might invest in the TX dongle if a soft mod isn't available relatively soon after release.
 

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You're right where I'm at. You should be good to go. I'm personally waiting for Atmosphère but might invest in the TX dongle if a soft mod isn't available relatively soon after release.
so is the SDXC update same as the EXFAT one?
 

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They haven’t ,it even says go online at your own risks and they’re aren’t responsible
Of course if you are using the software to cheat online, like in Spaltoon 2. They have never fumbled to the point of releasing a product that gets everyone banned the moment the loader is used. Its closed source so we don't know. I'm just going by their track record. Either way, they are a team of elite professionals who are trying to make money. Logic dictates that they wouldn't release a product that guarantees an instant ban if they ever want to keep making money.
 

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Of course if you are using the software to cheat online, like in Spaltoon 2. They have never fumbled to the point of releasing a product that gets everyone banned the moment the loader is used. Its closed source so we don't know. I'm just going by their track record. Either way, they are a team of elite professionals who are trying to make money. Logic dictates that they wouldn't release a product that guarantees an instant ban if they ever want to keep making money.
Nobody knows what nintendo is tracking in their games and consoles, they create the way to backup loading, but they even advised for NOT playing online with their product because nintendo could ban you, thats the issue with hacking a console and online, you need to sacrifice one to get the other, they would get money even if only offline backup loading is available, thats what I want, online is for buying the product and use purchased games in a non hacked switch
 
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The only real con is it’s possible to get banned from Nintendo if they can somehow detect sx os but who knows...

Only if they promise not to try to detect atmosphere, otherwise it's not a con because it will affect both.

So TX's OS exists only on the SD card? Still, I like the idea of emunand better.

emunand is great because there are no traces of what SX OS is doing, I suspect TX will implement emunand when they can.

so is the SDXC update same as the EXFAT one?

The SDXC update is incorrectly named. You don't need an update to use SDXC as long as you format it to FAT32, you need an update to use an SDHC that has been formatted to exFAT. It's just that by default SDXC larger than 32mb are formatted to exFAT. Microsoft have patents on exFAT and you have to pay a license fee. Nintendo are avoiding paying the license fee for every switch sold. They may even save money if everyone installs it, because it's not included in the switch that they sell and they aren't selling the exFAT update (but finding exFAT licensing terms is hard).

Either way, they are a team of elite professionals who are trying to make money. Logic dictates that they wouldn't release a product that guarantees an instant ban if they ever want to keep making money.

The tobacco industry used the same argument for why tobacco doesn't cause cancer, ie it makes no sense to sell people a product that kills them because they would stop buying it when they died. But it ignores the companies make a lot of money before the person dies and even when people start dying, new customers still keep buying.
 
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Only if they promise not to try to detect atmosphere, otherwise it's not a con because it will affect both.



emunand is great because there are no traces of what SX OS is doing, I suspect TX will implement emunand when they can.



The SDXC update is incorrectly named. You don't need an update to use SDXC as long as you format it to FAT32, you need an update to use an SDHC that has been formatted to exFAT. It's just that by default SDXC larger than 32mb are formatted to exFAT. Microsoft have patents on exFAT and you have to pay a license fee. Nintendo are avoiding paying the license fee for every switch sold. They may even save money if everyone installs it, because it's not included in the switch that they sell and they aren't selling the exFAT update (but finding exFAT licensing terms is hard).



The tobacco industry used the same argument for why tobacco doesn't cause cancer, ie it makes no sense to sell people a product that kills them because they would stop buying it when they died. But it ignores the companies make a lot of money before the person dies and even when people start dying, new customers still keep buying.

This isn't tobacco. This isn't a product that causes cancer and death. There is no hard, unmoving points like death to lobby for. Since we have dumps and code, the possibility of having hacks and loaders that won't get you banded is a tangible reality.

Bad analogy .
 

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Really funny how there is 'cons' about unreleased OS -- People should wait until the launch June 15th reviews from actual users are posted, then you can fight over the 'cons'.

Which will not be many, as tons of last-minute features are being packed in right now for big release.

Only CON really is fear of 'banning', but no matter how safe TX makes their Current-Launch-Hybrid-CFW and Future-EmuNand-Advanced (FREE) Upgrade there will be always *RISKS* for going online, that can never be totally removed, even on the 3DS with all its tools and utilities available it still occurs.

Oh'well, its funny to laugh over my sunday afternoon BBQ beer, reading all the weird speculation and comments in this thread! - GBATemp is better then the old-school sunday newpaper comics! :)
 

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This isn't tobacco. This isn't a product that causes cancer and death. There is no hard, unmoving points like death to lobby for. Since we have dumps and code, the possibility of having hacks and loaders that won't get you banded is a tangible reality.

Bad analogy .

I know SX OS is not tobacco & it doesn't cause any physical harm, but that isn't how analogies work.

Tobacco increases your chance of dying, SX OS increases your chance of getting banned.

Saying that Tobacco producers wouldn't sell something that increases your chance of dying or TX wouldn't sell something that increases your chance of getting banned are both the same logical fallacy.

People will work on taking the chance of getting banned to 0%, the same as people are working to end cancer. Neither is fool proof.
 
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Tobacco increases your chance of dying, SX OS increases your chance of getting banned.

You can't just blame SX OS, if you going to do that, you might as well include anything that changes the Switch, even just shorting pin 10 forever could increase your chance of getting banned.

Even just seeing that Switch has for some reason entered RCM multiple times. (it is logged, errors like that, just like X360 logs the number of times it RROd or displayed an E code, next time it goes Live (online), it reports that).

So unless all telemetry is adjusted and changed, you can never be sure about anything you loading on your Switch that is unofficial. -- So this 'con' applies to anything released so far, or even to be released, -- There no such thing as 0%.
 

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So unless all telemetry is adjusted and changed, you can never be sure about anything you loading on your Switch that is unofficial. -- So this 'con' applies to anything released so far, or even to be released, -- There no such thing as 0%.

I agree. I didn't intend to suggest that SX OS was any different to fusee gelee + Atmosphere in that regard. It's just that I was replying to someone claiming that TX wouldn't sell it if you could get banned from online. Which is a strange position, when TX themselves claim that being banned is a possibility.
 
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I can guarantee you that there will be a ton more pros than cons. Don't be a sheep. Just because a few people want to hate xecuter for no real apparent reason, doesn't mean that everyone has to jump on board. Xecuter has been doing this a longer than any of the other teams so expecting less from them doesn't make any sense at all. I bet that SX is going to be more advanced than atmosphere.
 

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