(UPDATE) Valve demands for certain adult games to patch out their content or face removal from Steam

Kioku · May 20, 2018

VinLark said:
I dunno dude, I can make the argument that hentai is harmful.

Game primarily for sex =/ game with 100 hours of content with sex

Also I don't know where people are getting violence from this. This whole campaign is to take down games with sexually graphic content/patch out sexual content.

Your virus argument is where you lost, honestly. You can ATTEMPT to make an argument that Hentai is somehow harmful. Note, it's not. Yes, it's censorship. Does it make it bad? Not entirely. There are markets dedicated to the sales and downloads of this style of game. Then calling it "weeb shit" is just a personal attack for the sake of being petty. You want to debate? Leave personal interest out of it. "I don't like it" is not a sound argument.

ZeroT21 · May 20, 2018

Sure ,sure, gun violence is all A-OK, but sexual content is evil. Guess that's the new norm for valve

brunocar · May 20, 2018

VinLark said:
I dunno dude, I can make the argument that hentai is harmful.

Game primarily for sex =/ game with 100 hours of content with sex

Also I don't know where people are getting violence from this. This whole campaign is to take down games with sexually graphic content/patch out sexual content.

you yourself said you liked huniepop, its literally a game about getting laid, the bejeweled clone is just an excuse for it, you hypocrite.
also, you are missing the point, valve's own games have gruesome violence, so its a terrible double standard to take down games over sex when games with brutal violence are allowed to stay, let alone games that have whole mechanics that lead to sex, once again i have to bring up relationships in the witcher trilogy and prostitutes in GTA.

kuwanger · May 20, 2018

VinLark said:
I'm omega conservative, I believe in a lot of things the same organization believes and campaigns for, and I agree with what Valve is doing. I agree with NCOE getting valve to take down sexual content from their store front. Personally this isn't just about porn, but just not having to see this gross weeb shit everytime I open steam. If you want to play hentai games, OK but buy it from the correct place. Don't put it up on Steam.

Out of curiosity, what is Steam the "correct place" for?

VinLark said:
Let me ask a question, would it be censorship if Steam pulled down a virus disguised as a game?

Let's see...selling something that's not what it claims to be for a profit. Sounds like fraud. Steam knowing fraud is going on and facilitating it would make them an accessory to fraud. Generally you can't sell viruses even if you were to correctly label it because in most locales that's also illegal and again Steam would be an accessory.

VinLark said:
Why is pulling down hentai games censorship? There are so many other places you can buy hentai games.

Uh, because it's censorship? No one is arguing Steam can't censor stuff. They are saying it's a dick move and complying with busybodies over selective moral or preferential issues makes Steam pliant to remove all sorts of stuff that people actually don't want removed and for which Steam is mostly the only outlet.

VinLark said:
To play devil's advocate here, Huniepop had really nice gameplay, being unironic here. I really loved the Bejeweled type gameplay to it. But maybe that's my inner baby-boomer that plays facebook games all day talking.

Being ironic, if you accept the notion that it's okay to censor stuff, I'd actually push to ban all Bejeweled type games including Bejewel. They're all shovelware repetitive crap. Same with most multiplayer FPSs. Same with a lot of genres. Of course, I'm not a dick and realize that having to put up with the gross bejewel everytime I open steam isn't some massive crime against humanity. I have more rage towards most website ads which often are fraud. There's a lot more bigger fish in the form of consumerism to worry about than whether people have fantasies about drawn pixels on the screen.

grossaffe · May 20, 2018

Astral_ said:
This.

I bought Bayonetta when it was released, it is tagged both as 'Nudity' (which is defendable) and 'Anime' (what??).
Instantly my Steam homepage was plagued with crappy generic anime VNs/RPGs. I blocked both tags to preserve my sanity, and I risk missing out interesting games if people go on with the bad tags.

Well, I mean...

mikey420 · May 20, 2018

Yet another reason to hate steam/valve... Nothing new here.... They are ass hats with DRM infested versions of shit.

RedBlueGreen · May 20, 2018

VinLark said:
I'm omega conservative, I believe in a lot of things the same organization believes and campaigns for, and I agree with what Valve is doing. I agree with NCOE getting valve to take down sexual content from their store front. Personally this isn't just about porn, but just not having to see this gross weeb shit everytime I open steam. If you want to play hentai games, OK but buy it from the correct place. Don't put it up on Steam.

Let me ask a question, would it be censorship if Steam pulled down a virus disguised as a game? Why is pulling down hentai games censorship? There are so many other places you can buy hentai games.

To play devil's advocate here, Huniepop had really nice gameplay, being unironic here. I really loved the Bejeweled type gameplay to it. But maybe that's my inner baby-boomer that plays facebook games all day talking.

You could just ignore this "weeb shit" you don't want to see and try to realize that taste is subjective. There's no "correct" storefront for games you don't like. I don't like the HBO show Shameless but I'm not gonna bitch about how it doesn't belong on Netflix because I can easily just not watch it.

gnmmarechal · May 20, 2018

DarthDub said:
Fuck censorship.

Lewd

Watch out, valve will remove it

ov3rkill · May 20, 2018

"UPDATE 2: As of May 19, all developers that received this warning email from Valve, have all gotten a follow up email stating that emails about imminent removal of their games was sent out by mistake, to disregard the warning, and that the games will be re-reviewed immediately to make sure the games do indeed meet requirements to stay on the Steam Storefront. "

I guess it's either they're trying some new algorithm, or some righteous SJW prick is in their employment sending out these emails, or they Valve just simply fucked up.

Pluupy · May 20, 2018

Why not just allow adult games and age restrict?

RedBlueGreen · May 20, 2018

ov3rkill said:
"UPDATE 2: As of May 19, all developers that received this warning email from Valve, have all gotten a follow up email stating that emails about imminent removal of their games was sent out by mistake, to disregard the warning, and that the games will be re-reviewed immediately to make sure the games do indeed meet requirements to stay on the Steam Storefront. "

I guess it's either they're trying some new algorithm, or some righteous SJW prick is in their employment sending out these emails, or they Valve just simply fucked up.

I'd guess it's the latter. Some retard hired for diversity or so Valve can seem "progressive". If it were an algorithm other games with the nudity tag probably would've been hit too.

Chary · May 20, 2018

This could potentially have been started by a mass of reports from specific groups wanting these types of games removed from Steam.

http://archive.is/M2SNh

BREAKING NEWS! Steam, the Walmart of online video game distribution, with over 35 million users who are children and teenagers, just contacted several videogame developers asking them to cover sexually graphic content in their games on Steam or face delisting. This sudden action by Valve, parent company of Steam, comes after a two-year aggressive campaign by the National Center on Sexual Exploitation, including the listing of Steam on the 2018 Dirty Dozen List.

We thank Steam for their leadership in working to change our #MeToo culture in which sexual violence in rampant and normalized. Your corporate leadership is a major step in creating a world free from sexual exploitation.

We thank the many grassroots activists and leaders who have spoken up to demand a change to Steams policies and enforcement practices with us these past two years. We especially thank you for your help in our most recent grassroots campaign, which started May 10! Your voices have been heard.

lampdemon · May 20, 2018

Chary said:
This could potentially have been started by a mass of reports from specific groups wanting these types of games removed from Steam.

http://archive.is/M2SNh

Late APRIL FOOLS!!!

Wait, this is serious. They think porn is sexual exploitation.

I wonder how far this will go before someone tells them to F-off.

RedBlueGreen · May 20, 2018

Chary said:
This could potentially have been started by a mass of reports from specific groups wanting these types of games removed from Steam.

http://archive.is/M2SNh

Big surprise some retarded social justice movement is behind it. Calling society a #MeToo culture that normalizes sexual violence is ridiculous. First of all #MeToo is a movement for people who have been allegedly sexually assaulted by famous people to speak up about it. So misusing this just makes the actual #MeToo movement look bad. Of course I'd expect nothing else from a group thay sounds like it's run by feminazis and desperate soy boys.

kuwanger · May 20, 2018

Chary said:
"This sudden action by Valve, parent company of Steam, comes after a two-year aggressive campaign by the National Center on Sexual Exploitation, including the listing of Steam on the 2018 Dirty Dozen List."

Awesome. Well, beyond the hyperbole of it, I love how the whole iBooks as part of the dirty dozen excludes all the romance novels involving men as objectified. Nope, we shouldn't worry about men being body shamed because 99% of them aren't muscles on muscles. Or 99% aren't in line to gain a ranch from a will, but only if they marry a woman, impregnate her, and marry off all three of his brothers in a year. That's romance!

And then on to things like...

"As our society suffers from the consequences of campus sexual assault, military sexual assault, and rising child-on-child sexual abuse, we see that normalizing the sexual use (and often abuse) of others in videogames is irresponsible on the corporate and social level."

I knew it! It wasn't Romeo & Juliet all along and the evil of plays! It wasn't dancing! The root of all evil is videogames! If we could only get rid of the evil videogames, everything would be perfect! It couldn't be that (1) they've got cause and effect backwards and/or (2) Japan which has some of the more warped games (and for which the ban seems to be targeting) has some of the lowest crime rates. Oops.

Welp, don't let the facts get in the way of wild conjecture. I mean, the National Center on Sexual Exploitation, instead of actually finding and addressing actual sexual exploitation and seeking justice, is running a campaign to..uh..ban stuff? Nifty.

PS - Yea, I stopped really early into that Dirty Dozen video. If the mere presence of mass sex exploitation normalizes it and they they want to ban such books/media, they should start with the Bible. If you want to go with the real big league, that's where you start. Clearly, though, their moral high ground wouldn't sit well with their funding sources.

Arras · May 20, 2018

kuwanger said:
if you accept the notion that it's okay to censor stuff, I'd actually push to ban all Bejeweled type games including Bejewel. They're all shovelware repetitive crap. Same with most multiplayer FPSs. Same with a lot of genres. Of course, I'm not a dick and realize that having to put up with the gross bejewel everytime I open steam isn't some massive crime against humanity. I have more rage towards most website ads which often are fraud. There's a lot more bigger fish in the form of consumerism to worry about than whether people have fantasies about drawn pixels on the screen.

Bejeweled is actually a great game though. The clones got way out of hand, but the original is a very solid game with a bunch of different modes. Same goes for most popcap games. They're one of the best at making actually good casual games.

kuwanger · May 20, 2018

Arras said:
Bejeweled is actually a great game though. The clones got way out of hand, but the original is a very solid game with a bunch of different modes.

Um, the original had only two modes--Normal and Time Trial--which were very similar. In fact the game is very similar to Shariki.

Arras said:
Same goes for most popcap games. They're one of the best at making actually good casual games.

It's called Solitaire (with its many, many variations). I'll admit I was being a bit facetious about it, but most of what Popcap produced was visually appealing, flash-based clones or off-clone of extant games. Like Zygna, their main claim to fame was being one of the first to best capitalize on a new medium.

Beyond that historical note, there's basically no reason that a few of the games shouldn't just be added to STPPC and be ported as standard as free on each new platform. There's basically no reason for more than the one clone*. Again, I'm still being a bit facetious, but there's no good reason for anyone to continue to capitalize on something that's already been invented and is so ubiquitous.

* If someone wants to make an emulator for preservation and port that, that can be added to mame or retroarch. Same general point.

Viri · May 20, 2018

How the fuck does celebrities sucking dick to get film roles have anything to do with mah vidya games?!

TheWolfLord · May 20, 2018

That backpedal though.

I'm of the opinion that as long as the content isn't directly harming an individual involved via it's creation then it's nobodies place to make absolute statements akin to 'It doesn't belong'. That's purely subjective.

People have different preferences and appreciate things in their own way. The genre in question is boring to me but I know that they have the potential to tell well-crafted stories via a unique presentation. Adult content is in itself benign and to what ends it is used as a tool is what's more important. People should be upset at the idea that one day we may be in a position where ideas are restricted to the point that it stifles creators.

For something as fundamental to the real-world as sex to be so totally railed against in games when we have far more problems with daily violence is strange to me. Will there come a day where the vast majority of games must be boxed into a small mold to cater to non-violent or objectionable ideas as well? I mean, we have so many games that glorify combat, murder and generally evil or morally questionable actions. It isn't even restricted to games but omnipresent in all manners of media.

Sadly, that's all probably more likely to come about than people taking responsibility for their own life and those of their families/children. It would be nice if people stopped worrying about what others viewed and did a better job to make sure that their own young were mature enough to either not be influenced by make-believe stories or didn't have access in the first place. As for those who must be offended, it would be nice if they realized that not everything must be 'for them'.

That said, steam can technically do as they please, but people can criticize them for contributing to thought policing and hope that alternative storefronts gain traction.

Stercate79 · May 20, 2018

I'm with Valve.
Censorship is shit, ok.
But Valve is removing stupid games with no purpose except masturbating, in fact, GTA V didn't get any warning for example.
Fuck your weeb shit

猫。子猫です！

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