Hacking Discussion Team Xecuter Switch SX

Loaffy · May 15, 2018

Soluble said:
The thing is it can't be much if anymore expensive than that. As others have said you can build a pizero setup quite cheap. $30 for size and convenience seems about right.

It can be. People who buy this will do so because there is no other solution* available. When there is another solution available, there will most likely be no reason for people to buy this for any price.

As long as there isn't another solution available, the value of this is much more than $30 because of the real purpose of the device (to "save money").

Yes, there will probably be another solution available some time soon (possibly based off of tx's payload), but until that time the value of this will be more than $30.

*solution means "backup loader"

Personally I probably won't be purchasing this for $30 or $80, but that's because I don't mind waiting for an open source solution. For those who are less patient, $80 will seem like a high price but one they will still be willing to pay.

mikey420 · May 15, 2018

Bummer and I was hopeful of a cold boot hack.... A USB dongle to serve the payload and a built in jig.... Seems to me the free option will be the best one... Thanks anyways TX

Deleted User · May 15, 2018

Loaffy said:
It can be. People who buy this will do so because there is no other solution* available. When there is another solution available, there will most likely be no reason for people to buy this for any price.

As long as there isn't another solution available, the value of this is much more than $30 because of the real purpose of the device (to "save money").

Yes, there will probably be another solution available some time soon (possibly based off of tx's payload), but until that time the value of this will be more than $30.

*solution means "backup loader"

Personally I probably won't be purchasing this for $30 or $80, but that's because I don't mind waiting for an open source solution. For those who are less patient, $80 will seem like a high price but one they will still be willing to pay.

By solution (meaning backup loader) there already is one available. It is called Atmosphere, and it is WIP but will probably be ready by the time this is finished. And, for there being no reason to buy this for any price, it will most likely have the potential for reflashing. This means that there will be a reason, because while you could setup a Pi Zero setup, this comes done for you and looks nice enough to use in public.

Loaffy said:
but that's because I don't mind waiting for an open source solution.

I called it. There is nothing wrong with waiting for an open-source solution, but I am going to go on a bit of a tangent here.

For the end-user, being "open source" adds absolutely nothing to the value. In fact, it subtracts from the value. Usually if something is open source, there are always improvements to be made. While this is the case for every application ever made (hell, even Windows has a lot of improvements it could make), there is no point to making it open source. If you are expecting top-level programmers to look at your little homebrew application or maybe your CFW, you are mistaken. You will most likely only get support from those who have already spent hours, days, even weeks cracking the system and REing it, and at that point they probably already helped write the application/CFW. With everybody preaching "open source is the only way", end-users lose sight of the true value of a program. Hell, the majority of users won't be able to understand the source code of Atmosphere once it is finished, and at that point they may as well kept it private (except for the fact that previous closed-source CFWs have fell flat).

better to go with what works best than what is open source. I have the same mindset about Linux and Widnows. Anyways, I warned you about the tangent, and I digress.

Darklinkreturns · May 15, 2018

blujay said:
By solution (meaning backup loader) there already is one available. It is called Atmosphere, and it is WIP but will probably be ready by the time this is finished.

Atmosphere is not a backup loader, nor is it available.

13_Switch_Hacker_37 · May 15, 2018

They should do a reverse auction. Start the sales at $80 and drop the price by $5 every 3 days until they sell out.

Don't tell people how many units are left, don't tell people how many sold, just let the FOMO funnel money into your pocket.

Deleted User · May 15, 2018

Don't have to connect it to a PC every time? Sold. Something tells me the other solution is gonna take quite some time to actually be useful. Id rather get this now and have it work better then wait for whatever the hell those nutjobs are doing(seriously, if that bootrom stuff wasn't leaked earlier we'd be waiting even longer, you cant count on them for anything).

Deleted User · May 15, 2018

Darklinkreturns said:
Atmosphere is not a backup loader, nor is it available.

Oh then I must have misunderstood the loader part of the atmosphere commits. My bad. It is available for everybody to see, so not sure what you mean there.

Loaffy · May 15, 2018

blujay said:
By solution (meaning backup loader) there already is one available. It is called Atmosphere, and it is WIP but will probably be ready by the time this is finished. And, for there being no reason to buy this for any price, it will most likely have the potential for reflashing. This means that there will be a reason, because while you could setup a Pi Zero setup, this comes done for you and looks nice enough to use in public.

I'm well aware of Atmosphere, I lurk the forum daily. But what I said still stands; there is no other solution currently available, and when there is then this will be worthless unless it offers features that can't be replicated by free software/cheaper hardware (I imagine there will be other, cheaper, USB-C payload delivering devices if tethered RCM solutions continue to be the sole way of running cfw). So until atmosphere launches and somebody patches it to load backups, or some other cfw pops up, this will be the only solution therefore giving it a value well above $30.

blujay said:
I called it. There is nothing wrong with waiting for an open-source solution, but I am going to go on a bit of a tangent here.
*open source tangent*

I just used "open source" as a bit of a euphemism for "free". I don't think most people actually care either way if a program is open or closed source, as long as it is trustworthy and works. But what you said is true.

Regardless of all, it will be interesting to see how the scene unfolds from here. Will tx make a profit by getting to the market early enough, or will they get the wind blown out of their sails by a free cfw before they can really get any foothold? Stay tuned for the next episode of DBZ to find out!

SG911 · May 15, 2018

Is this worth it tho or wait for atmosphere?

Kioku · May 15, 2018

This summer is going to be interesting..

TheCyberQuake · May 15, 2018

blujay said:
Oh then I must have misunderstood the loader part of the atmosphere commits. My bad. It is available for everybody to see, so not sure what you mean there.

The Loader in atmosphere basically allows you to load code on top of applications, ie to run things like rom hacks or patched/modified system titles.
It is not a rom loader exactly, but I can see it being very easy to modify to do that. But ReSwitched wouldn't do that themselves

Deleted User · May 15, 2018

SpanishGamer911 said:
Is this worth it tho or wait for atmosphere?

Pros for TX:

More portable than other RCM payloads ATM
Everything is already done for you
Made professionally
Will probably be flashable (can boot atmosphere)
May have CFW open sourced*
CFW is most likely already done or near to it
Confirmed backup loading
Probably be updated throughout lifespan

Cons for TX:

Costs money (undetermined ATM)
Closed source*
May not be flashable
May not have CFW open sourced*
Might not be updated throughout lifespan

Pros for Atmosphere:

Open sourced*
Will natively support HBL since that is what SciresM is going for
Will be free
Will probably be updated throughout Switch's life

Cons for Atmosphere:

Not close to being done yet (not launchable)
Confirmed not to have backup loading
Made by community and a very unstable/very political group of developers
May be only open source CFW to ever hit switch due to community montras (i.e. "just use luma")

Use these to decide for yourself.

* See this rant about open source I just wrote and decide if it is important to you

blujay said:
For the end-user, being "open source" adds absolutely nothing to the value. In fact, it subtracts from the value. Usually if something is open source, there are always improvements to be made. While this is the case for every application ever made (hell, even Windows has a lot of improvements it could make), there is no point to making it open source. If you are expecting top-level programmers to look at your little homebrew application or maybe your CFW, you are mistaken. You will most likely only get support from those who have already spent hours, days, even weeks cracking the system and REing it, and at that point they probably already helped write the application/CFW. With everybody preaching "open source is the only way", end-users lose sight of the true value of a program. Hell, the majority of users won't be able to understand the source code of Atmosphere once it is finished, and at that point they may as well kept it private (except for the fact that previous closed-source CFWs have fell flat).

Soluble · May 15, 2018

If I was them I'd be looking here and seeing what people are happy to pay. TBH $30 seems great, $40-$50 I'll get it anyway because it's 50 bux for instant convenience. Any more than that and I'll just keep a spare android phone in my switch case and leave it at that.

Deleted User · May 15, 2018

Soluble said:
If I was them I'd be looking here and seeing what people are happy to pay. TBH $30 seems great, $40-$50 I'll get it anyway because it's 50 bux for instant convenience. Any more than that and I'll just keep a spare android phone in my switch case and leave it at that.

I'd be looking places other than gaming forums. I mean, I know that is where the majority of their consumers will be, but their consumers also want piracy, and certain people will pay way more and certain people won't pay anything. Their best bet (and I am sure they know this) is to make it fairly cheap so that they are competing with free alternatives. Anything above $50 will be a huge turn off.

djp-AKA-bionic · May 15, 2018

TX supported the Xbox OG for its whole life, nearly every chip was flashable and constantly was recieving updates, to pin on them they wont support it for its life is not a fair assumption..

Deleted User · May 15, 2018

djp-AKA-bionic said:
TX supported the Xbox OG for its whole life, nearly every chip was flashable and constantly was recieving updates, to pin on them they wont support it for its life is not a fair assumption..

I'll update that then. Thanks

tbb043 · May 15, 2018

realjumy said:
I'm afraid this will just kill the spirit of the homebrew. /Z8TSo3lIK00

All the fun, all the things being made for the scene, will die just because some people just want to make profit from piracy. A real shame.

Like anyone wants this shit for things other than enabling backups anyway. GREAT NEWS

foreveralive · May 15, 2018

I wonder if I will need to redo modding after Sleepmode/Lockscreen or not by using this.

Deleted User · May 15, 2018

foreveralive said:
I wonder if I will need to redo modding after Sleepmode/Lockscreen or not by using this.

If you mean reboot the CFW when in sleepmode, then no. It is only applied when hard rebooting IIRC.

chirogan · May 15, 2018

I wonder how they will support this mod in the long run. There are too much unverified things as of this moment. Hopefully they will confirm official contents before they start selling. Just to know what are we paying for.
Also
Will the CFW support Other homebrew apps?
Backup loading is not clear as of this moment. How it works, ehat are the scopes and limitations.. etc. Nonetheless, this is great news moving forward. We could learn a lot of things from each other.

blujay said:
May be only open source CFW to ever hit switch due to community montras (i.e. "just use luma")

Cant blame the community. IMO, there are pros and cons, while it would be nice to have a lot of options, its a good point also that all the good freelance devs unite and help each other to create a stable CFW than divide the resources. Since it is open source, they could focus in perfecting thr CFW.

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