Gaming The problem is not porting Wii U games

Deleted User · Apr 29, 2018

Some of you will remember the ungentlemanly post I made calling everyone who bought Mario Kart 8 DX a part of “the silent majority of idiots who dominate the marketplace”. My main reasons for this were the extra content added should have already been in the Wii U game and the technical improvements weren't worth paying full-price twice for. These days I'm prepared to say that while I don't like seeing Wii U games getting ported over it does make good business sense.

I still don't like Switch ports of Wii U games because while the technical improvements are nice the games are sold at full-price with minimal new content. Mario Kart 8 DX has all the DLC, a proper battle mode which should have been in the Wii U game and some gameplay tweaks which should have been released as updates for the Wii U game. The only new content available is a few new characters which don't play differently to any existing ones. Pokken DX has a few new modes and characters which probably would have been released as updates and DLC for the original, had the Wii U not been forsaken by it's Gods at Nintendo.

I really wanted to re-buy Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze. It has a new Funky (easy) mode but no new levels; Donkey Kong Country: Returns 3D added both an easy mode and new levels. The one game that shines as an example of how Wii U games should be ported over is Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker; it actually adds new Mario Odyssey themed levels.

If you don't already own the game on the Wii U then while the Switch ports are unfairly priced you're still getting good bang for your buck. I refused to buy Hyrule Warriors on the Wii U calling it an incomplete game citing it's short development time, technical issues and pre-launch DLC. I'm buying it on the Switch next month. If you do own the Wii U version then you're getting cheated by the developer you supported while they were in a pretty desperate situation. If the Switch ports of games I already own had substantial new content which doesn't fall under the "should have been on the Wii U" category to offer then I'd be more likely to buy them.

tl;dr? the problem is the lack of additional content

SnAQ · Apr 29, 2018

Ok, thanks for that...

Guess what, people have the right to buy what the fuck they want and you can't do anything about it.

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LaPingas · Apr 29, 2018

The real problem imo is when those ports are coming instead of actual new games. As a Wii U owner, it's really hard for me to buy a Switch for.. Smash Switch, Mario Odyssey, Splatoon 2 (?) and Snipperclips

Kipz · Apr 29, 2018

News flash - the wii u was a flop. Only hardcore nintendo fans are familiar with the system and its games. To the bigger market that the switch has now brought in, these are all new games. And 99% of Ninty's U games were good, why not give them a second chance at life?

Lazyboss · Apr 29, 2018

You are talking to Nintendo fans here who go crazy over the Switch even before the release, of course they will buy anything Nintendo throw at them.
Nintendo are smart company, they can simply sell those games as VC like what they did to the Wii U, but that won't give them extra cash, they will simply port the game with few efforts and get tons of cash as long as the fans buying them.

But i don't understand why you need to bother with those things, if you don't agree with the ports simply don't buy them.
But never, ever, never tell

MiguelinCrafter · Apr 29, 2018

LaPingas said:
The real problem imo is when those ports are coming instead of actual new games. As a Wii U owner, it's really hard for me to buy a Switch for.. Smash Switch, Mario Odyssey, Splatoon 2 (?) and Snipperclips

what bout the other good stuff?
No Xenoblade 2, ARMS or even Mario + Rabbids?

no third party goodies?

even some of them indies bro?

nothing?

man, I sure wonder why nintendo doesnt get as much third party support as its competitors

by the by, if anyone is interested RiME got an update which makes the
game a lot better, 30FPS pretty much all the time and not 20 like it used to
and the graphics are a lot better too

jefffisher · Apr 29, 2018

it's only paying full price twice if you for some reason both pay full price for games and keep the older versions.
you should buy new games on sale and sell old games before they lose all their value.
i got $30 for my mario kart 8 wii u and bought the switch version for only $40 so it was more like a $10 upgrade the DLC by itself costs more than that.
tropical freeze didn't hold my attention at all i beat it decided id never play it again and sold it for $45 in under a week after it came out, i will try it again thanks to funky kong mode and have it preordered for $51.11 so its costing me $6?

the switch is even getting more better games than the wii u did and it's only been like a year, the wii u certainly didnt have a mario odyssey.

Deleted User · Apr 29, 2018

MiguelinCrafter said:
what bout the other good stuff?
No Xenoblade 2, ARMS or even Mario + Rabbids?

no third party goodies?

even some of them indies bro?

nothing?

man, I sure wonder why nintendo doesnt get as much third party support as its competitors

by the by, if anyone is interested RiME got an update which makes the
game a lot better, 30FPS pretty much all the time and not 20 like it used to
and the graphics are a lot better too

There's Fire Emblem Warriors too but LaPingas does have a point. There isn't much Switch-exclusive content out yet.

The Real Jdbye · Apr 29, 2018

I agree with the first statement. They had absolutely no excuse not to bring the extra content to the original. They already have the assets and battle mode is already in the game so they'd just have to add the code for the new items (which is mostly a copy paste job), add in the extra character models and swap out the battle levels.
Probably a few hours of work for a single person, and it'd make them far more money than it would cost them if they decided to sell it as a cheap (max $10) DLC pack. I'd be fine with them charging extra for it since it is new content after all and it costs money to make.
I did buy MK8D in the end though. Mostly because I decided I needed more multiplayer games on Switch and my options were limited. Haven't played it a whole lot but the battle mode is great fun, I like how they added new game modes to it. The one where you have to catch the bad guys is fun.

I don't mind some of the other ports though. As long as they're not adding important content only on the Switch version. If the game is mostly unchanged like DKC:TF then I'm fine with it. I feel no need to buy it and people who didn't get the chavce to play it on Wii U get another chance, it sells more consoles causing more developer interest in the platform resulting in more new games, and everyone's happy.

Xzi · Apr 29, 2018

People often want these games because they've never played them before, extra content is not a necessity when the games were already high quality. What would you expect them to add to Twilight Princess HD and Windwaker HD, for example? Just port them to Switch, preferably as a package deal, and watch the sales pour in.

Lazyboss · Apr 29, 2018

Xzi said:
People often want these games because they've never played them before, extra content is not a necessity when the games were already high quality. What would you expect them to add to Twilight Princess HD and Windwaker HD, for example? Just port them to Switch, preferably as a package deal, and watch the sales pour in.

So selling the game on the Wii U for $40 and after few years port it to the Switch for $60 sound logical to you?

Xzi · Apr 29, 2018

Lazyboss said:
So selling the game on the Wii U for $40 and after few years port it to the Switch for $60 sound logical to you?

It doesn't sound uncommon. Very few people bought WiiU, so very few people would even know it's not a brand new game. OTOH, you can also get discounts for new games which put them around $48.

LaPingas · Apr 29, 2018

MiguelinCrafter said:
what bout the other good stuff?
No Xenoblade 2, ARMS or even Mario + Rabbids?

no third party goodies?

even some of them indies bro?

nothing?

man, I sure wonder why nintendo doesnt get as much third party support as its competitors

by the by, if anyone is interested RiME got an update which makes the
game a lot better, 30FPS pretty much all the time and not 20 like it used to
and the graphics are a lot better too

Third party is not special for the Switch, I can get a PC for that
Arms just sucks imo
And I don't like rpgs

Deleted User · Apr 29, 2018

Xzi said:
What would you expect them to add to Twilight Princess HD and Windwaker HD, for example?

In the case of these two games I personally wouldn't expect much but a few years ago someone on a very pro-Nintendo site expressed a different point of view. I suppose the infamous Triforce shards quest could have been replaced by a dungeon in which you collect them.

When Nintendo first showed the game off back in January, they promised to ‘tune up the overall game experience’. But what did that mean, exactly? New dungeons? Refined combat? An easier and less infuriating way to change the direction of the wind? Again, Wind Waker is my favourite game of all time, but even I recognise that, mechanically speaking, it’s not a perfect game, and it seemed like Nintendo could have changed any number of things. And what did they actually do? They made the boat go a bit faster.

Source: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...t_more_from_the_legend_of_zelda_wind_waker_hd

mizorechan · May 2, 2018

Xzi said:
It doesn't sound uncommon. Very few people bought WiiU, so very few people would even know it's not a brand new game. OTOH, you can also get discounts for new games which put them around $48.

13 million aren't "very few". DKTP for example is a million seller game as well. MK8 too. And let's not forget about CEMU. So Wii U games are not "underground games which nobody knows".

There is no logic about Wii U ports costing the same of BOTW and Mario Odyssey, new games. Older games from older consoles should cost less. Unless Nintendo is desperate to recover what they lost with Wii U. Other companies re-release their games for less. Rayman Legends for example sold less than DKTP but is $40 on Switch.

andeers · May 2, 2018

In short, the problem is the price and/or (depending of the case), lack of new content.

Xzi · May 2, 2018

mizorechan said:
13 million aren't "very few".

Yeah, actually, that's a very small minority even when talking about Nintendo fans alone. 3DS and Wii sold closer to 70 million. Switch sold 17 million in one year. Shows you how little awareness there was for WiiU when its lifetime sales get beat out in a year.

Kioku · May 2, 2018

mizorechan said:
13 million aren't "very few". DKTP for example is a million seller game as well. MK8 too. And let's not forget about CEMU. So Wii U games are not "underground games which nobody knows".

There is no logic about Wii U ports costing the same of BOTW and Mario Odyssey, new games. Older games from older consoles should cost less. Unless Nintendo is desperate to recover what they lost with Wii U. Other companies re-release their games for less. Rayman Legends for example sold less than DKTP but is $40 on Switch.

13 million over the lifespan of the console is "very few" when you consider the Switch has already beaten the Wii U's lifetime sales.. Especially when not everyone kept the system. Let alone played it..

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