There are only two genders. Change my mind.

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A plurality of GBAtempers who were polled said they would vote for Trump during the primaries
We don't know how many people were taking that poll seriously, how many people voted Trump because they specifically didn't want Hillary nor how many people didn't voted at all.

Plus, since this is a rather significant social issue in the public eye, as demonstrated by this thread, you'd expect there to be a lot more articles about assault by a transgender individual if it actually were a prevalent issue
Not that I agree or disagree here, but to be fair, not like the transgender population is that big compare to the rest of the human population. Chances of it happening and being reported is much lower.

Honestly tho, more unisex rooms as an addition would make it a bit more comfortable for everyone.
 

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A plurality of GBAtempers who were polled said they would vote for Trump during the primaries

Spot on, and I'm painfully aware of the issue and agree that something needs to be done to support male rape victims. I was, however, specifically referring to transgender women assaulting other women, since you brought up "lesbian men" in your previous post and how they'd be sexually attracted to women

You know, they say that 62% of all statistics are made up on the spot

Plus history has shown that violent crimes are significantly more likely to get press coverage, even if they make up less than 10% of the crimes committed. (https://dartcenter.org/content/violence-comparing-reporting-and-reality)

Plus, since this is a rather significant social issue in the public eye, as demonstrated by this thread, you'd expect there to be a lot more articles about assault by a transgender individual if it actually were a prevalent issue

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Do you have any evidence that that is the case, then?

So what if there are people on here who voted Trump? What right does it give for people to go after those who didn't vote for Hillary? Whatever happened to accepting those who have differences of opinions, and where does it say that we have to vote or think a certain way? Since when does that give others the right to bash those who don't think like everyone else? I genuinely want to know, because that's a pretty BS thing to do.
 

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We don't know how many people were taking that poll seriously, how many people voted Trump because they specifically didn't want Hillary nor how many people didn't voted at all.
So what if there are people on here who voted Trump? What right does it give for people to go after those who didn't vote for Hillary? Whatever happened to accepting those who have differences of opinions, and where does it say that we have to vote or think a certain way? Since when does that give others the right to bash those who don't think like everyone else? I genuinely want to know, because that's a pretty BS thing to do.
My point on the matter was to highlight the poll for the primaries, not the election itself. During the primaries you had the option to vote for virtually every running Democrat, Republican, and I believe @Lacius tossed a few third parties in there, too, and yet if Donald Trump were elected solely by GBAtemp members he would have won the popular vote. In my eyes that's a bit telling as to the political leanings of the community, but if you want me to put money where my mouth is I can resurrect the debate club one more time with a formal political party poll (obviously with more than two options, as is standard for me)
 
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i feel like people take gender identity way too seriously. why does it matter? there's boys who like videogames and boys who like sports, and everything in between. there's girls who like partying and girls who like shopping, and again everything in between.

what im saying is that gender is a very broad thing. you dont have to be one specific thing to fit into one gender. so i think it's stupid and pointless to create more genders than just male and female.
 

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My point on the matter was to highlight the poll for the primaries, not the election itself. During the primaries you had the option to vote for virtually every running Democrat, Republican, and I believe @Lacius tossed a few third parties in there, too, and yet if Donald Trump were elected solely by GBAtemp members he would have won the popular vote. In my eyes that's a bit telling as to the political leanings of the community, but if you want me to put money where my mouth is I can resurrect the debate club one more time with a formal political party poll (obviously with more than two options, as is standard for me)

Well, I didn't want to vote for Hillary, so that should be pretty telling in and of itself. But regardless of the popular vote or Electoral vote, that system is broken too. If we won by the popular vote, California and other large populated areas would have unfair advantage.
 

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i feel like people take gender identity way too seriously. why does it matter? there's boys who like videogames and boys who like sports, and everything in between. there's girls who like partying and girls who like shopping, and again everything in between.

what im saying is that gender is a very broad thing. you dont have to be one specific thing to fit into one gender. so i think it's stupid and pointless to create more genders than just male and female.
I think your argument would carry a bit more weight if you had said "boys who like shopping and boys who play videogames" and "girls who like partying and girls who like sports"

Just as a suggestion

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Well, I didn't want to vote for Hillary, so that should be pretty telling in and of itself. But regardless of the popular vote or Electoral vote, that system is broken too. If we won by the popular vote, California and other large populated areas would have unfair advantage.
Which is understandable, for the election. But as I said, during the primaries you (royal, not specifically YOU) could have voted for anyone, even if you were voting against Hillary
 
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I think your argument would carry a bit more weight if you had said "boys who like shopping and boys who play videogames" and "girls who like partying and girls who like sports"

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that works as well. my point was to list 2 things that are not even close to each other to show that u dont have to be one specific thing to be one gender. but yeah what you said works too and i agree with it
 
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that works as well. my point was to list 2 things that are not even close to each other to show that u dont have to be one specific thing to be one gender. but yeah what you said works too and i agree with it
The reason I said what I did specifically is that you listed two things that have historically been categorically "masculine" and "feminine", which in my eyes worked against the argument you were trying to make to the point you were almost arguing the opposite lol
 

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The main problem I see with the multiple gender thing is that they are barely used in a descriptive context, but rather in a context of identity. (That phenomenon is not limited to that topic though.) Identity ideologies in themselves are pretty dangerous imo, as they tend to put people in a position where they would rather follow an irrational dogma than what they would choose without that identity, only based on the fact that that's just what or who they are. I do realize that the various number of social genders are a try to break out from the classic identities "man" and "woman", but imo, it just makes it worse. You can, for example, be a rather feminin man without having to use an extra complicated word for it. (Chances are that people wont get what you want to tell them by just using that word anyway. That some people would treat that reaction as an insult doesn't help a constructive handling either.) The key is to use "man" descriptive and not as something that is part of your identity.
 
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I think your argument would carry a bit more weight if you had said "boys who like shopping and boys who play videogames" and "girls who like partying and girls who like sports"

Just as a suggestion

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Which is understandable, for the election. But as I said, during the primaries you (royal, not specifically YOU) could have voted for anyone, even if you were voting against Hillary

Well, it wouldn't have made a difference, because the only good candidates I wanted to vote for chickened out of the race (Rubio, Carson, etc), sooo damned if I do, damned if I don't. Would never vote
for Beaker, er, Bernie.
 

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Well, it wouldn't have made a difference, because the only good candidates I wanted to vote for chickened out of the race (Rubio, Carson, etc), sooo damned if I do, damned if I don't. Would never vote
for Beaker, er, Bernie.
I wouldn't say it's correct that the other candidates chickened out. They lost their primaries. You can't blame the candidates - you have to blame the voter base who gave Trump the nomination.

All this does is underscore how silly our 2 party system is. We should have a system like France with 2 votes - one with many candidates, and a run-off election.
 
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I wouldn't say it's correct that the other candidates chickened out. They lost their primaries. You can't blame the candidates - you have to blame the voter base who gave Trump the nomination.

All this does is underscore how silly our 2 party system is. We should have a system like France with 2 votes - one with many candidates, and a run-off election.
Australia, I believe, has a system where you rank every candidate from most preferable to least on a number scale (1 being highest), and the person who's ranked highest wins. That way you never have to explicitly vote "for" or "against" someone
 
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Seems like someone was angered by a liberal and decided to go on yet another completely unrelated rant. But, meh, it's thunderstorming outside so I have nothing to do right now.

Conservatives/righties completely dislike the fact that someone of one gender doesn't act like the stereotype of that gender.
For example, hair like this seems to trigger conservatives pretty easily (as any woman with short pink hair is considered a "SJW" and further damages their already-fragile masculinity), just as the stereotypical feminine gay man angers conservatives to a large yet un-explainable degree.

My point is that not everyone will act like the stereotype of the gender that they are. Righties need to live with that.

Also funny how righties use science when talking about the "more than 2 genders topic" but science is wrong when it comes to global warming.....but that's a whole other discussion (?)
 

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Seems like someone was angered by a liberal and decided to go on yet another completely unrelated rant.

Where do you get that idea from? From just what he wrote, I'd assume he truely wanted an honest debate about this topic. Ask yourself this: Was this really political or did you just make it political so it would suit your narrative?

My point is that not everyone will act like the stereotype of the gender that they are. Righties need to live with that.

A human being is perfectly capable of not suiting a stereotype without having a name for it.

Also funny how righties use science when talking about the "more than 2 genders topic" but science is wrong when it comes to global warming.....but that's a whole other discussion (?)

Nice straw man you got there.
 

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My point on the matter was to highlight the poll for the primaries, not the election itself. During the primaries you had the option to vote for virtually every running Democrat, Republican, and I believe @Lacius tossed a few third parties in there, too, and yet if Donald Trump were elected solely by GBAtemp members he would have won the popular vote. In my eyes that's a bit telling as to the political leanings of the community, but if you want me to put money where my mouth is I can resurrect the debate club one more time with a formal political party poll (obviously with more than two options, as is standard for me)
Not needed, but I still think it came down to the candidates themselves and for reasons I already stated. Not rather if they were strictly conservative or not. Trump isn't really the traditional "conservative" person anyway.

Not saying GBAtemp isn't mostly or more conservative, just not quick to say either way.
 

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Gender is not a shared opinion; it is what people call their sex based on biology. You can't go around changing the ways things have been from the start of evolution just because a few kids can't figure one of the most simple things out. You can be trans, bi, gay, lesbian, etc ... or call yourself whatever you want, but it doesn't change your gender. Your gender is what you were born with. If you cut it off or change things it doesn't change the fact you are either a male or female no matter how much you wish it would be true.
Actually it has not been that way since the start, it has actually only been that way since Christian Europeans made it that way. Before Christianity a lot of cultures were both trans friendly and often acknowledged more than 2 genders. Christian Europeans were actually the ones who decided to change definition of gender to biological sex.
 
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