Apologies, then. I didn't mean to man-splain anything, either, that's not how I intended it to come across at all lol
There are only two genders. Change my mind.
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I'll just say my opinion.
There are two sexes, male and female, unless you have some sort of mutation which causes you to be both / neither / both & neither. (think YY)
You are your birth gender - you can be as feminine or masculine as you want, but you are denoted by your sexual organs (unless you have gender reassignment surgery in which you have your sexual organs replaced (I don't know much about this)).
Just my opinion. I dont' want to anger any people.
There are two sexes, male and female, unless you have some sort of mutation which causes you to be both / neither / both & neither. (think YY)
You are your birth gender - you can be as feminine or masculine as you want, but you are denoted by your sexual organs (unless you have gender reassignment surgery in which you have your sexual organs replaced (I don't know much about this)).
Just my opinion. I dont' want to anger any people.
I understand where you're coming from, but again, it stems from a misconception about the distinction between biological sex and gender, which is a social construct based on appearance and tendencies
So if you agree that we don't need 80 different genders the next question is, is gender and sex the same? Definition of gender is something that less has to do with biology and more to do with behevior's and identities. But doesn't biology affect behavior? Autism is a great example of how hormones can affect someones behavior. People that gets more than normal testosterone in the womb is born autistic. And male traits are multiplied to the max. They have difficulties in human interaction and focus more on objects, which is normal for men but not to the extreme of autistics.
So your behavior and identity is then tied to sex, to hormones, which is a big source of biological differences. So even if the definitions between sex and gender are slightly different, they are both practically the same thing. Which then means gender is not completely a social construct. Traits are moldable with neuroplasticity but only to a certain extent. Like a man can learn to be as good at communication as female, but a man can't grow breasts like women and be completely female. They may take hormones to change to more feminine features but this has its limitations.
Fun Fact
You can analyze right now if you are more masculine by looking at your fingers. If you have a bigger ring finger than index finger than you are more masculine (male). If your ring finger is equal size or smaller than index finger than you are more feminine (female). Women that have a bigger ring finger have more masculine features and traits.
Now for my controversial opinion that may change at any time because that's how humans work.
It is true that each human has a "sex", which is determined at birth and probably can't be changed (Although the UK will allow you to change the sex on your birth certificate if you've been publicly trans for a number of years.)
But in my opinion that shouldn't affect how you address a person. Which is what gender usually ties into.
With regards to pronouns, I go by a "Call them whatever they want you to call them", because it's respectful and you don't harm their emotions with every word you say. This sounds fair enough right? If someone asks you to call them a girl, boy, whatever, you should probably just do it. Mistakes are human, outright refusal to accept someone's wishes is not. If you don't want to run afoul of the "you just assumed my gender??" stuff, neutral terms work well if you're unsure, however I doubt anyone would witch-hunt you for making an assumption and respectfully accepting the correction. It's always when the person refuses to accept the correction and is stubborn where problems arise.
Now let's throw this into the topic of a third gender. Honestly, does it even matter? It's not like we're trying to keep tabs on all these "genders" and make a list of them (Although some people have). If someone asks you to refer to them in a certain way (Be it as agender, genderfluid, or any word they've decided to use), the sensible thing to do would be to just go with that. Respect their wishes, and nobody has a problem.
Now of course there'll be someone who'll bring up the Apache Helicopter meme, and will complain about that. Honestly, anyone who says something like that is probably joking, but if they're honestly serious then what's the harm in respecting it? Everyone is different, and deserves to be addressed however they like.
If you're still reading, an analogy I've thought of on the spot is names. If someone asks to be called by a totally new name (forgetting genders for a second), you wouldn't exactly go "no i want to use your old name forever, you're stuck with it." would you? Then why can't this apply to pronouns and gender and stuff, if someone says "please refer to me with neutral words from now on", just do it. There's no harm, and it keeps everyone happy and civil.
I mean sure if you want to get petty then yeah everyone has a "sex" which they're kinda stuck with, unless you count changing genitals as changing sex (Which I think the UK government does, to the best of my knowledge), in which case good on you. But what you call someone and what genitals they have are two different things. The latter is usually referred to as gender and is tied to specific behavioural characteristics, while I believe its just a way of referring to someone, and people can ask to be called whatever they like, it's their life and their choice.
I will not write a tldr for this huge post because i think you should just read it all, and yes I did focus on ways of addressing people rather than what gender really means, but that's how I see it.
If you're going to reply, I'd ask for you to do it respectfully and calmly (Which most of you seem to be doing), so we can discuss it like adults. Nobody likes someone who flings their opinion at someone as if it was fact. The above is my opinion and mine alone, I will not deny you yours.
It is true that each human has a "sex", which is determined at birth and probably can't be changed (Although the UK will allow you to change the sex on your birth certificate if you've been publicly trans for a number of years.)
But in my opinion that shouldn't affect how you address a person. Which is what gender usually ties into.
With regards to pronouns, I go by a "Call them whatever they want you to call them", because it's respectful and you don't harm their emotions with every word you say. This sounds fair enough right? If someone asks you to call them a girl, boy, whatever, you should probably just do it. Mistakes are human, outright refusal to accept someone's wishes is not. If you don't want to run afoul of the "you just assumed my gender??" stuff, neutral terms work well if you're unsure, however I doubt anyone would witch-hunt you for making an assumption and respectfully accepting the correction. It's always when the person refuses to accept the correction and is stubborn where problems arise.
Now let's throw this into the topic of a third gender. Honestly, does it even matter? It's not like we're trying to keep tabs on all these "genders" and make a list of them (Although some people have). If someone asks you to refer to them in a certain way (Be it as agender, genderfluid, or any word they've decided to use), the sensible thing to do would be to just go with that. Respect their wishes, and nobody has a problem.
Now of course there'll be someone who'll bring up the Apache Helicopter meme, and will complain about that. Honestly, anyone who says something like that is probably joking, but if they're honestly serious then what's the harm in respecting it? Everyone is different, and deserves to be addressed however they like.
If you're still reading, an analogy I've thought of on the spot is names. If someone asks to be called by a totally new name (forgetting genders for a second), you wouldn't exactly go "no i want to use your old name forever, you're stuck with it." would you? Then why can't this apply to pronouns and gender and stuff, if someone says "please refer to me with neutral words from now on", just do it. There's no harm, and it keeps everyone happy and civil.
I mean sure if you want to get petty then yeah everyone has a "sex" which they're kinda stuck with, unless you count changing genitals as changing sex (Which I think the UK government does, to the best of my knowledge), in which case good on you. But what you call someone and what genitals they have are two different things. The latter is usually referred to as gender and is tied to specific behavioural characteristics, while I believe its just a way of referring to someone, and people can ask to be called whatever they like, it's their life and their choice.
I will not write a tldr for this huge post because i think you should just read it all, and yes I did focus on ways of addressing people rather than what gender really means, but that's how I see it.
If you're going to reply, I'd ask for you to do it respectfully and calmly (Which most of you seem to be doing), so we can discuss it like adults. Nobody likes someone who flings their opinion at someone as if it was fact. The above is my opinion and mine alone, I will not deny you yours.
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In my opinion, the main reason people decided to create new genders was because we already weren't open enough about what people were comfortable with.
imo if your nether parts extrude, you're male
if they go inside, you're female
ofc you can change genders, but there are only two
if they go inside, you're female
ofc you can change genders, but there are only two
How is the ring finger size a fact? Ya mine is bigger than the index one, but my hands are a weird mix of a female/male hand, and i can have a dick but in reality im not masculine, at all... so i call bullshit
Your biological sex is your gender. How is there a misconception?
here is the point though, while I feel most will generally agree with your stance, what about if a person totally does not accept your version of reality, to some people sex pretty much = gender, is it not actually unfair for you to expect them to shift their point of view to match yours while you would never just say "oh well that's their point of view I will just accept it", them not agreeing to play by your rules doesn't change how you see things just as yours doesn't/shouldn't be forced upon them
live and let live taken to the ultimate degree, its all good expecting tolerance when it comes to some opinions, why not others?
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I seen that video.
Though I think you guys might be missing the point... "There are only two genders (not sexes), change my mind." Which (at least on the first page) doesn't seem to be argumented with.
Though I think you guys might be missing the point... "There are only two genders (not sexes), change my mind." Which (at least on the first page) doesn't seem to be argumented with.
Well in case you all didn't know...
I am a woman...
But I am not really a woman, I am a horse...
But I am not really a horse, I am a broom.
I dont give a damn what anyone else identifies as or what they do in their personal life as long as it does not negatively affect me or my family. You all can be as loony as you want.
I am a woman...
But I am not really a woman, I am a horse...
But I am not really a horse, I am a broom.
I dont give a damn what anyone else identifies as or what they do in their personal life as long as it does not negatively affect me or my family. You all can be as loony as you want.
I think I understand what you're saying (correct me if i'm wrong), in that some people directly think of sex and gender as the same thing, and refuse to adhere to people's chosen pronouns. This is where it gets tetchy within the trans community, because we normally feel offended when people like this decide to not respect our decisions, and any attempt to settle the solution gets heated because neither side wants to accept the other's views. There's no real way to please everyone (Although I'm one of the people who wishes they could), so I can't give a perfect solution here.
But what I would do in such a situation would be to respect their difference of opinion (Bonus points if its explained to me in legible English, most people like that just blab nonsense with no backing, scientific or otherwise). And while I naturally wouldn't be okay with them misgendering me, the fact they took the time to explain why is nice. I can't force everyone to use my perception of reality, as long as they don't be an asshole about it (Which I dont think is forcing my opinion onto theirs, rather hoping to find some common ground and have general decency), then I wouldn't be too fussed. But if you actively go around touting your agenda and blindly insulting everyone who opposes you, that's when I have a problem. I don't go around the internet or real life trying to tell the world about my fancy new theory on gender, I just respect people according to it and hope they respond in kind (Which of course they wont always, but a girl can dream). I only mentioned it today because the topic was brought up, and everyone was sharing their opinion. If you want to follow it then that's cool, if you don't then that's also alright. I can only ask that you hear me out and respect what I have to say.
(I've been considering whether to post this because I'm unsure how I would respond to these situations in practise since I've never come across one, so if this conflicts with anything I've said in the past then I'm sorry for the confusion, and my opinion on this is subject to change in the future.)
Because from a social science perspective that's simply not true, so really you're just proving my point
There are some studies that show 2D:4D ratio is a sexually dimorphic biomarker thats tied to prenatal hormones. And its determined by the HOX A gene. Finger ratio is not only found in humans but also in other species. Some studies I'll link that I know you are not gunna read but I'll link them anyway. It talks controversy and whether or not the 2D:4D ratio is a reliable marker. And how different digit ratios are linked to sex specific behaviors and traits.How is the ring finger size a fact? Ya mine is bigger than the index one, but my hands are a weird mix of a female/male hand, and i can have a dick but in reality im not masculine, at all... so i call bullshit
This first study is done by Simon Baron-Cohen who is an expert on Prenatal testosterone and Autism. He is the cousin of Ali G (Borat).
https://scholarworks.uni.edu/cgi/vi...le.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1014&context=hpt
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5296424/
\https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5337486/
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/319e/b9986bbb89bc0a9fab46e7d908c2d6d2bf1f.pdf
http://www.bioanthrojournal.org/art...me=3;issue=1;spage=10;epage=13;aulast=Okamkpa
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Yeah, is too much english for a non native english speaker, and im super tired from college to try and traduce a large wall of text.
Just a simple question, the finger thing is just a percentaje and doesnt represent every male, right? Since i state again, i may have a "male ring finger" but im in no way that masculine, or act like a "true" masculine dude, so, that study isnt really representative as a fact of my case.
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