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If theres homebrew and we all know the kernel exploit,then theres going to be piracy,or what we like to call "playing backups on the harddrive that we own" like it or not.If there is a cfw with homebrew only,people will rework it to play backups,like with geohots cfw and how kmeaw became the cfw that came after for the backups.
 
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Increasing the number of systems, without a corresponding increase in game sales is not good https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2017-06-15-xbox-one-x-selling-at-a-loss

Just what are you trying to achieve by engaging in anti-piracy discussions ad nauseum? You're not going to be changing many peoples' minds, you know


Oh the horror, I downloaded an Snes game for my SD2SNES that costs 200 dollars and can't be downloaded on the virtual console, anything but that.

These threads serve no purpose.
 
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I don't plan on modding my system but even if I did I wouldn't pirate. Most games seem to big to download without me losing inteinte
 

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Take Brazil for example,Piracy seems to be wide spread because software is both expensive and the average joe would never be able to afford to play stuff so wouldn't the devs rather they enjoy their work where they would never otherwise have the chance too?
And from that description, I would support piracy even from a dev's view. Without piracy whole groups of people would never be able to experience and know these games, and perhaps it might influence themselves or others to buy actual copies if they got the chance.
 
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No I don't want to see piracy in Nintendo Switch scene, it ruins the online gaming community with cheaters.
 

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To me its more about: if you like it, really like it, them buy it. Support the developper for doing things right. Support indie dev for the love they show to their games.
If you cant afford it thats another story. I also know that in some countries prices are insane. But to me i think its got more to do with ethics in general than anything else.

Unfortunately most of these idiots think buying used from GameStop helps devs...
 

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Just what are you trying to achieve by engaging in anti-piracy discussions ad nauseum?

I'm only pointing out that your argument is flawed.

We know that piracy hurts game sales to an extent, even if it's not one lost sale per game copied.

Choose what you want, but it's wrong to expect validation that piracy is benign or even beneficial.

Unfortunately most of these idiots think buying used from GameStop helps devs...

It might do indirectly, the person who sold the game to gamestop will have money to put towards a new game that they know they'll get some of back when they sell that game to gamestop.
 
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I'm only pointing out that your argument is flawed.

We know that piracy hurts game sales to an extent, even if it's not one lost sale per game copied.

Choose what you want, but it's wrong to expect validation that piracy is benign or even beneficial.

Which I never said it was, I only implied that the impact it has is blown out of proportion, big difference. Never seen any game studios going under either, so.. I'm done here.
 

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Which I never said it was, I only implied that the impact it has is blown out of proportion, big difference. Never seen any game studios going under either, so.. I'm done here.

Your argument is shifting again. The "impact" is a different thing entirely. "I only stole 1 million dollars from bill gates, it hasn't made any real impact to him, the police should just shup up as it's not their money".

Maybe stop trying to justify yourself and accept that when you do something illegal then some people will tell you to stop and you should suck it up.
 
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It might do indirectly, the person who sold the game to gamestop will have money to put towards a new game that they know they'll get some of back when they sell that game to gamestop.

I did specifically mention the buyer of used games. The seller who sold the game would very likely just purchase another used game.

The real enemy to game sales is shitty store like GameStop.

In fact there was a massive study recently suppressed by the EU that proved piracy doesnt hurt sales.
gizmodo /2017/09/the-eu-suppressed-a-300-page-study-that-found-piracy-doesnt-harm-sales/
 

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Are you good enough of a person that you could wish for something like this? I know I am.
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well.. I quite like having the cartridges but I'm also limited by money.. that being said, cartridges that doesn't come with a full game but requires the rest to be downloaded doesn't really feel deserving of my money. I have 91 3DS games (excluding downloadable ones) despite having had a flashcart all the time.. I find I buy more games because I can try more. It's a plus that the switch is region free at least. Then there's also the legacy aspect of consoles.
 

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No I don't want to see piracy in Nintendo Switch scene, it ruins the online gaming community with cheaters.

True but with Nintendo starting to charge for online play in september the amount of people who will be willing to risk a ban of a paid account vs a free one will be significantly less.

Hopefully Nintendo will build in some sort of illegal code detection either server side or firmware side that will be able to detect odd activity and get the ban hammer out fast for those who do.
 

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Did I stutter? Who cares if someone pirates or not, don't like it, too freaking bad, deal with it. Save that for Reddit. If you don't work for Nintendo, Sony, etc, whatever, then why should I subjugate myself to the whims of
anti-piracy arguments? People are going to pirate no matter what others say, and there is nothing anyone can do to stop people from choosing to do what they will do.

If an old game is not available through any other locales like eBay, why should I give my money to some greedy scalpers?

Who cares? Well if nobody cared this wouldnt be a discussion right now. If you dont want to hear arguments, this is exactly the kind of threads you should avoid.

And I can deal with it. But then pirates can also deal with criticism. I will point out the hypocrisy of people doing it and coming up with a billion reasons as to why they have to do it. It's an argument that works both ways. If you pirate modern games, you arent showing support, and you are hurting the sales if you were going to buy it. It doesnt matter how much.

Also, you last argument is typically where some people draw the line. I personally think its ok to do it, because it wont hurt the sales in this specific case.

I find it a bit hypocritical to how some ppl white knight towards piracy, however they are already breaking the TOS of by having CFW/Homebrew on their system.
I know they aren't the same, but they both upset Nintendo or any game company for that matter. You don't like piracy, but your ok with breaking their terms and not supporting the service they provide by using homebrew.
The problem is ppl don't realize homebrew is bad for the game company just as Piracy
Because breakings ToS is not necessarily seen as unethical if it doesnt hurt the sales (for some of us). They upset Nintendo BECAUSE it opens the doors to piracy, hence why you can be against it, but its perfectly possible to be against piracy in general, while in favor of modding, without being hypocritical.


Generally, if you're like "i have the money for it but id rather spend it on something else that I cant pirate" you're effectively hurting the sales, in addition to being ethically shady.
 
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Who cares? Well if nobody cared this wouldnt be a discussion right now. If you dont want to hear arguments, this is exactly the kind of threads you should avoid.

And I can deal with it. But then pirates can also deal with criticism. I will point out the hypocrisy of people doing it and coming up with a billion reasons as to why they have to do it. It's an argument that works both ways. If you pirate modern games, you arent showing support, and you are hurting the sales if you were going to buy it. It doesnt matter how much.

Also, you last argument is typically where some people draw the line. I personally think its ok to do it, because it wont hurt the sales in this specific case.


Because breakings ToS is not necessarily seen as unethical if it doesnt hurt the sales (for some of us). They upset Nintendo BECAUSE it opens the doors to piracy, hence why you can be against it, but its perfectly possible to be against piracy in general, while in favor of modding, without being hypocritical.


Generally, if you're like "i have the money for it but id rather spend it on something else that I cant pirate" you're effectively hurting the sales, in addition to being ethically shady.
If piracy does hurt sales, how does pokemon and monster hunter on the 3ds still sold millions of units worldwide? Even smash? What about the wii games? Or the ds pokemon games..
 

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In my case I’d prefer to to play a full version of the game to see if I like it, that’s what I did with dragon quest 9 on DS and ended up buying the cartridge, same with the Trauma Centre games and a few Wii games.
 

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Image a world with good people, imagine us having CFW without any ability to load pirated games. Just us having everything else with the ability to mod our games, edit our saves and run homebrew with the sole exception of you having to purchase your own games.

Are you good enough of a person that you could wish for something like this? I know I am.

Imagine thinking just because you won't "download games for free", that makes you a "good person"...
 

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I mean....not everyone can drop 60$ on a game, and it's not really gonna hurt nintendo. Users who use CFW are maybe 1-2% of the install base, and those who pirate are even less.
 
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