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Deportations Up in Midwest Under Trump

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Well, I think that's kinda funny. Isn't being an undocumented immigrant a crime?
Legally it is, but given that it's one of the most non-violent offenses one could commit, and given that there are still ways of receiving identifying info that can be used to at least track employment (undocumented immigrants can still be issued tax IDs, but can neither pay into or receive social security benefits with it), I'd say that it's the law and system that's unjust, rather than necessarily a problem with the people coming through
 

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So if they have a right to be here illegally, by that justification, I have every right to enter Mexico or any other country illegally. I'm not being violent, I'm just breaking the law, right?

And before anyone uses the "we came here illegally in the 17th century", well based off of what? There were no immigration laws to break then.
 

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So if they have a right to be here illegally, by that justification, I have every right to enter Mexico or any other country illegally. I'm not being violent, I'm just breaking the law, right?

And before anyone uses the "we came here illegally in the 17th century", well based off of what? There were no immigration laws to break then.
I mean, not necessarily a RIGHT, but I'd say you'd be more than justified to if you were running away from something, for instance. Unfortunately our current system punishes people for trying to notify the State that they have entered by deportation, rather than adding them to a registry to note that they're here, which seems to be the thing most people are up in arms about in the first place, correct?
 
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I mean, not necessarily a RIGHT, but I'd say you'd be more than justified to if you were running away from something, for instance. Unfortunately our current system punishes people for trying to notify the State that they have entered by deportation, rather than adding them to a registry to note that they're here, which seems to be the thing most people are up in arms about in the first place, correct?
We need a better immigration policy. Not necessarily a stricter one. Just one that can keep better tabs on who enters. So many illegal criminals getting deported and coming back is an issue. I've got nothing against legitimate, hard working people wanting a "piece of the pie" so to speak.
 
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The worst part about any of this (outside of displaced families) is the sheer vileness and ilk that it draws out of people. You can sit on either side of the debate, give your opinion, and listen to others without devolving into hatred spewing monsters. I get it - you have a strong opinion. But the disgusting vehement blabber that spews out of people's mouths just because they disagree with someone is embarrassing to humans as a species.

Mind you, I'm not talking about anyone in particular. I haven't read through this thread, and I'm sure there are some great, insightful comments here. But if I have to hear another parent complain their kid's future is at risk because the wetback menace isn't being stopped fast enough, I might legitimately puke. Likewise, regardless of your beliefs, calling everyone who supports it a MAGA enthusiast is equally as useless. If we could all just drop the sarcasm, the haughty attitudes, and the "I know everything" demeanors and instead work together on a viable, humane solution, we might get something done.
 

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I mean, not necessarily a RIGHT, but I'd say you'd be more than justified to if you were running away from something, for instance. Unfortunately our current system punishes people for trying to notify the State that they have entered by deportation, rather than adding them to a registry to note that they're here, which seems to be the thing most people are up in arms about in the first place, correct?

I personally don't see either party agreeing to finding a solution that would be conducive to fixing the very broken system. Yes, it should be fixed, badly, but will it?
 

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I personally don't see either party agreeing to finding a solution that would be conducive to fixing the very broken system. Yes, it should be fixed, badly, but will it?
I mean. That's really on the politicians who vote in alignment and proclaim that immigrants are stealing "American" jobs and are in some way violent and dangerous to drop the act and stop funneling donor money for two seconds
 

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I mean. That's really on the politicians who vote in alignment and proclaim that immigrants are stealing "American" jobs and are in some way violent and dangerous to drop the act and stop funneling donor money for two seconds

I'm not worried about whether or not they are violent, I know they're usually not. What pisses me off is that politicians always act as though they have every single rights as legal citizens have, they they have to be in sanctuary cities. Not to mention that the mayors of those cities have to be arrogant douchebags to the point of willingly defy and sue the government, "but muh sanctuary cities", blah blah blah. Just wish they weren't so sanctimonious and act like they're the victims.
 
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I'm not worried about whether or not they are violent, I know they're usually not. What pisses me off is that politicians always act as though they have every single rights as legal citizens have, they they have to be in sanctuary cities. Not to mention that the mayors of those cities have to be arrogant douchebags to the point of willingly defy and sue the government, "but muh sanctuary cities", blah blah blah. Just wish they weren't so sanctimonious and act like they're the victims.
But they should have the same rights as legal citizens.
 

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There's nothing to defend. The law applies to everyone.
actually it doesn't i can guarantee you that Trump will do nothing about the immigration invasion and that this is selective enforcement at best
only certain people are allowed to to exploit them then they use the government t bust their competition if they try and to do the same to unlevel the paying field
just like the drug cartels the government busts one to help out the other , same thing with immigration
 

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I'm not worried about whether or not they are violent, I know they're usually not. What pisses me off is that politicians always act as though they have every single rights as legal citizens have, they they have to be in sanctuary cities. Not to mention that the mayors of those cities have to be arrogant douchebags to the point of willingly defy and sue the government, "but muh sanctuary cities", blah blah blah. Just wish they weren't so sanctimonious and act like they're the victims.
But they should have the same rights as legal citizens.
Like Lacius said, even if they don't have the same PRIVILEGES as an American citizen (again, virtually NO benefits that come from tax money), the fact that the people who wrote the amendments to the Constitution saw them as either inalienable rights to a human being or reasonable limitations to life in America makes it kind of glaring when people say that that they shouldn't apply to non-US citizens. What's worse is that our Bill of Rights is actually kind of awful when compared to the UNs Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which in theory should apply to every human being on the planet
 

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Like Lacius said, even if they don't have the same PRIVILEGES as an American citizen (again, virtually NO benefits that come from tax money), the fact that the people who wrote the amendments to the Constitution saw them as either inalienable rights to a human being or reasonable limitations to life in America makes it kind of glaring when people say that that they shouldn't apply to non-US citizens. What's worse is that our Bill of Rights is actually kind of awful when compared to the UNs Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which in theory should apply to every human being on the planet
I think illegal immigrants should also have the benefits that come from tax money, given that they pay a lot of taxes.
 
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I think illegal immigrants should also have the benefits that come from tax money, given that they pay a lot of taxes.
I kind of both agree and disagree. Yes, they pay into the pot, but one could also see that as the reasonable cost of living here without legal status. However, again, that "punishment" would be more reasonable if the system for legalizing one's documents was more comprehensive
 

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I kind of both agree and disagree. Yes, they pay into the pot, but one could also see that as the reasonable cost of living here without legal status. However, again, that "punishment" would be more reasonable if the system for legalizing one's documents was more comprehensive
Immigrants should have an easy path to legal status and/or citizenship.
 
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