13 Russians, 3 businesses indicted by Mueller/Rosenstein in connection to Trump

the_randomizer · Mar 16, 2018

TotalInsanity4 said:
If I might offer some constructive criticism, you tend to go off the deep end whenever someone responds to something you say with any kind of counterargument, even if they aren't be rude... Other than the occasional asshole, maybe you're just perceiving people to be "douche-y"?...

Old sure as hell was being a jerk to me, there's no defending his BS. It's people like him that make this place toxic. What am I supposed to say, "thank you for making me feel like an idiot"? People like him are more than
capable of disagreeing without bringing other people down, surely, you know that.

TotalInsanity4 · Mar 16, 2018

the_randomizer said:
Old sure as hell was being a jerk to me, there's no defending his BS. It's people like him that make this place toxic. What am I supposed to say, "thank you for making me feel like an idiot"? People like him are more than
capable of disagreeing without bringing other people down, surely, you know that.

I'm obviously not defending Old, I think (hope?) you know that. But you also need to learn to better judge whether or not something is intentionally trying to insult you, or if they're reasonably debating you or trying to refute/criticize an argument you made, and, if they are in fact intentionally insulting you, you should try just letting it roll off like water on a ducks back; if it's particularly offensive, report it for harassment. If not, then they've made themselves look like an ass and you're ultimately the bigger man. If you wanna respond, just tell them that wasn't very nice and you'd appreciate it if they wouldn't say that. Don't escalate by trying to turn it into a dick-measuring contest

leon315 · Mar 16, 2018

dunno if whose Russians are involved in Trump's election campaign, seems there's no evidence to prove it, beside trump is also a business man, are they presumably someone involved in his business affairs?

the whole story is like accusing a chinese trader for treason of Communist party cauz he did some trades with some japaneses...

TotalInsanity4 · Mar 16, 2018

leon315 said:
dunno if whose Russians are involved in Trump's election campaign, seems there's no evidence to prove it, beside trump is also a business man, are they presumably someone involved in his business affairs?

the whole story is like accusing a chinese trader for treason of Communist party cauz he did some trades with some japaneses...

... Have you not been paying attention at all to any of the Russia-related news in this thread? A few times would be a coincidence, but MULTIPLE high-level campaign staff secretly meeting with high-level Russian officials or undercover operatives is a definite trend

the_randomizer · Mar 16, 2018

Aren't politics the best??

TotalInsanity4 · Mar 16, 2018

the_randomizer said:
Aren't politics the best??

Rarely, but they're a necessity in a true democracy

the_randomizer · Mar 16, 2018

TotalInsanity4 said:
Rarely, but they're a necessity in a true democracy

Let me rephrase, "aren't political discussions the best??" They are necessary, but rarely does discussing them go smoothing, parties and people often never come to any kind of agreement.
Call me cynical, but political discussions almost always rub me the wrong way.

leon315 · Mar 16, 2018

TotalInsanity4 said:
... Have you not been paying attention at all to any of the Russia-related news in this thread? A few times would be a coincidence, but MULTIPLE high-level campaign staff secretly meeting with high-level Russian officials or undercover operatives is a definite trend

nope, i don't pay attention at all to states' politic situations, i'm not a states and i don't live there neither, is the source that confirms they are Russian operatives' reliable?

TotalInsanity4 · Mar 16, 2018

leon315 said:
nope, i don't pay attention at all to states' politic situations, i'm not a states and i don't live there neither, is the source that confirms they are Russian operatives' reliable?

Aha, that makes sense.

I don't recall exact details about all the instances, but from what I remember whenever stuff comes up about any meeting with a Russian during the campaign, the Trump administration played it off as discussing something benign (e.g. Russian adoption programs (wtf?)), and it is shortly after either leaked or revealed that the person they were meeting with did in fact have ties to the Kremilin and was giving the election-altering information (e.g. dirt on Hillary Clinton)

Don Jon · Mar 16, 2018

A strong opposer to Putin was found dead recently.
A Russian spy was killed by nerve agent means supposebly tied to Russia.
Russia is corrupt as fuck.
Crooked Donnie karma wil be a bitch.

Xzi · Mar 18, 2018

"Trump says 'Mueller probe should never have been started' hours after his lawyer called for it to be shut down"

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-tweet-mueller-probe-should-never-have-been-started-2018-3

If Trump fires Rosenstein or Mueller, he's essentially admitting guilt, this would be Watergate all over again. Of course, Trump has too little foresight to realize this, so he'll probably attempt to anyway. Word is this is in response to Mueller's team sending over a list of questions the president would be asked in an interview.

For anyone interested, there is a rapid response protest plan in place across the country should Rosenstein/Mueller be fired. If it happens before 2 PM, events take place at 5 PM, after 2 PM, events at noon the next day. All times local.

https://act.moveon.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response-events/search/

TotalInsanity4 · Mar 18, 2018

Mueller now has memos McCabe kept on Trump dealings

Clench your assholes, lads, the time is almost upon us

Xzi · Mar 23, 2018

TotalInsanity4 said:
Mueller now has memos McCabe kept on Trump dealings

Clench your assholes, lads, the time is almost upon us

It probably is.

Trump's lead lawyer, John Dowd, has resigned, and Trump says he'd like to testify to Mueller:

https://www.apnews.com/94f0078aba70...ump-says-he'd-like-to-testify-in-Russia-probe

Trump isn't exactly known for honesty, so I'm not trusting him on this yet, but if it happens it'd be glorious. Mueller, being the veteran prosecutor he is, would simply sit back and let Trump lie thirty times a minute. The more you have against him on record, the better.

My bet's on Trump trying to fire Mueller somehow instead, but we'll see.

the_randomizer · Mar 23, 2018

TotalInsanity4 said:
Mueller now has memos McCabe kept on Trump dealings

Clench your assholes, lads, the time is almost upon us

I genuinely wonder what people will think if Trump is impeached and Pence takes over, I doubt people will be any happier *shrug*. With all the indictments and corruption going on, you'd think the ulterior motive for doing all this is solely based off the fact that the POTUS isn't liberal, and wasn't Clinton in office. Had Clinton won, pretty sure nothing would've happened to find evidence against her wrongdoings. I'll grab the popcorn.

IMHO, the only reason they're even doing all these investigations is merely an expressing of distaste that Clinton should've won and that a liberal POTUS isn't in power, had a liberal candidate won, no investigations would've been done against Clinton. Just saying. I doubt Pence will be any better. Hey, maybe California's dumbass governor Jerry Brown won't try to sue Trump over his trying to criminal sanctuary cities?

TotalInsanity4 · Mar 23, 2018

the_randomizer said:
I genuinely wonder what people will think if Trump is impeached and Pence takes over, I doubt people will be any happier *shrug*. With all the indictments and corruption going on, you'd think the ulterior motive for doing all this is solely based off the fact that the POTUS isn't liberal, and wasn't Clinton in office. Had Clinton won, pretty sure nothing would've happened to find evidence against her wrongdoings. I'll grab the popcorn.

The idea is that a) It'll prove that America is not unwilling to impeach a President that is blatantly violating the Constitution, which means that Pence better watch out as well (and he'd be pretty neutered in terms of policy-making for the next two years, anyway, considering he was in this for the long haul), and b) as toxic as Pence may be in terms of lawmaking, everything he would do is reversible by both Congress and the next President, and Pence is 100% less likely to make a power grab for something... higher than US President... and at least 90% less likely to get us in an international war over a dick measuring contest

IMHO, the only reason they're even doing all these investigations is merely an expressing of distaste that Clinton should've won and that a liberal POTUS isn't in power, had a liberal candidate won, no investigations would've been done against Clinton. Just saying. I doubt Pence will be any better. Hey, maybe California's dumbass governor Jerry Brown won't try to sue Trump over his trying to criminal sanctuary cities?

You say that as though Hillary's email scandal wasn't going to follow her into office, even though Republicans tried on nine different occasions to prosecute her based on that and couldn't find anything that would stick. Plus, you can't exactly say there isn't a point to this investigation, what with all the blatant evidence of both shady money dealings and international influence on an election that have been cropping up. To quote a friend of mine, "gee, this 'witch hunt' sure is turning up a lot of witches..."

Don Jon · Mar 23, 2018

the_randomizer said:
I genuinely wonder what people will think if Trump is impeached and Pence takes over, I doubt people will be any happier *shrug*. With all the indictments and corruption going on, you'd think the ulterior motive for doing all this is solely based off the fact that the POTUS isn't liberal, and wasn't Clinton in office. Had Clinton won, pretty sure nothing would've happened to find evidence against her wrongdoings. I'll grab the popcorn.

IMHO, the only reason they're even doing all these investigations is merely an expressing of distaste that Clinton should've won and that a liberal POTUS isn't in power, had a liberal candidate won, no investigations would've been done against Clinton. Just saying. I doubt Pence will be any better. Hey, maybe California's dumbass governor Jerry Brown won't try to sue Trump over his trying to criminal sanctuary cities?

Youre wrong. The same person, Comey who laid the finger on Hillary is the same person who laid it on Trump. There is clearly no bias here. You seem to have something against "sanctuary" cities. Though i bet you probably live in the middle of no where and have never even co existed with those you hate(non whites)

the_randomizer · Mar 23, 2018

Don Jon said:
Youre wrong. The same person, Comey who laid the finger on Hillary is the same person who laid it on Trump. There is clearly no bias here. You seem to have something against "sanctuary" cities. Though i bet you probably live in the middle of no where and have never even co existed with those you hate(non whites)

Oh and you're 100% right every time? Nice try, but you're wrong. Thanks for assuming me to be a certain way, really appreciate it. I have nothing against immigrants, I just wish that immigration laws were better, and I wish California wasn't the hellhole it was when it came to laws, but thanks. The only thing I have against sanctuary cities is the fact that the people who run them refuse to cooperate with law enforcement and act as though illegal immigrants have 100% the same rights as legal citizens; PS, they don't. Don't be so bloody rude to me, you don't know me, so zip it.

TotalInsanity4 · Mar 23, 2018

Don Jon said:
Youre wrong. The same person, Comey who laid the finger on Hillary is the same person who laid it on Trump. There is clearly no bias here.

Correct

You seem to have something against "sanctuary" cities. Though i bet you probably live in the middle of no where and have never even co existed with those you hate(non whites)

*sobbing* you were doing so well, why did you have to ruin it with a personal attack

the_randomizer · Mar 23, 2018

TotalInsanity4 said:
Correct

*sobbing* you were doing so well, why did you have to ruin it with a personal attack

Because someone clearly pissed in his cheerios. I have nothing against people of a different race, illegality is NOT a race, it's a crime. Why is he so bloody blind? Maybe if immigration laws would be changed to where the process was more streamlined, I'd have nothing against people who break the law regardless of their background? But no, he's gonna keep participating in a pissing contest to stroke his epeen. If he tries personal attacks, I'm just gonna tell him to piss up a rope.

Newsflash to those trying to attack me:

Illegal != race = criminal activity
Mexican = race = nothing to do with breaking the law

So please, haters, shut up. Illegal immigrants should be able to obtain citizen easier, yes, but when California tries to sue the president over his trying to make stricter laws against sanctuary cities, that's called a dick move. To me,
it's a cover up from California to hide their inaction and inability to uphold the law. I don't seem to recall anything in the Constitution that states illegal immigrants have to be hidden from law enforcement. If someone can cite a
source, i'd be willing to listen. But to people who are attacking me for an opinion on immigration, either be respectful of others' opinions or shut the hell up, thanks.

Don Jon · Mar 23, 2018

the_randomizer said:
Oh and you're 100% right every time? Nice try, but you're wrong. Thanks for assuming me to be a certain way, really appreciate it. I have nothing against immigrants, I just wish that immigration laws were better, and I wish California wasn't the hellhole it was when it came to laws, but thanks. The only thing I have against sanctuary cities is the fact that the people who run them refuse to cooperate with law enforcement and act as though illegal immigrants have 100% the same rights as legal citizens; PS, they don't. Don't be so bloody rude to me, you don't know me, so zip it.

So what is it youre on welfare and believe these immigrants are taking some of your benefits or what?
Also immigrants are the less paid of all. First its white, than blacks, than hispanics. And sometimes their treated like shit, get no holiday pay, and no paid sick days. Youre right, they dont have the same rights you do. And that is when they get screwed over by their employers. But guess what. They have to work to feed their families. So instead of crying and complaining they just say " yes sir".

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